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Robot2600 03/12/22 4:49:11 PM #51:	Keith_Valentine posted... You keep exaggerating and putting words in my mouth and it's annoying. Are you saying NATO hasnt been crowding in on Russia? What would you do if you were Putin , sit there and take it? This is why Trump went over and blasted NATO and told other countries they had to pay their fair share. At the same time he warned about Europe's dependency on Russian energy being a security threat. And he was laughed at , now he is being proven correct. I don't know who you are , but I guarantee no one on this fuckin board has ever seen sit around and root for Russia. And trying to understand things from their side is common sense , all the people being threatened by it , that's a joke and reduces the complexity of the issues to black and white. Nah bruh you sound like a tanky. Yes Putin is literally supposed to just "sit there" while other countries do whatever we want. No one was going to invade Russia, you know that, literally everyone in the world knows that. --- ( o _o) <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:963392755] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted... </cite> <quote>You keep exaggerating and putting words in my mouth and it's annoying. Are you saying NATO hasnt been crowding in on Russia? What would you do if you were Putin , sit there and take it? This is why Trump went over and blasted NATO and told other countries they had to pay their fair share. At the same time he warned about Europe's dependency on Russian energy being a security threat. And he was laughed at , now he is being proven correct. I don't know who you are , but I guarantee no one on this fuckin board has ever seen sit around and root for Russia. And trying to understand things from their side is common sense , all the people being threatened by it , that's a joke and reduces the complexity of the issues to black and white.</quote> Nah bruh you sound like a tanky. Yes Putin is literally supposed to just "sit there" while other countries do whatever we want. No one was going to invade Russia, you know that, literally everyone in the world knows that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 4:49:45 PM #52:	Keith_Valentine posted... What would you do if you were Putin , sit there and take it? Take what exactly? I heard this bs from someone irl. Russia propaganda claims NATO wants to invade and take over Russia. Is this your belief? If not, that what harm is NATO causing Russia other than preventing them from invading other countries? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963392767] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted... </cite> <quote>What would you do if you were Putin , sit there and take it?</quote> Take what exactly? I heard this bs from someone irl. Russia propaganda claims NATO wants to invade and take over Russia. Is this your belief? If not, that what harm is NATO causing Russia other than preventing them from invading other countries? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keith_Valentine 03/12/22 4:55:11 PM #53:	Robot2600 posted... Nah bruh you sound like a tanky. Yes Putin is literally supposed to just "sit there" while other countries do whatever we want. No one was going to invade Russia, you know that, literally everyone in the world knows that. Ahh. So you think a former superpower with nukes is just going to be ordered around like a bitch. So you know nothing about Russia , got it It's not about invading Russia , it's strategically moving troops and missiles into their zone of influence so if they ever try anything , we can destroy them. This is just insane btw someone calling me a tanky , I'm one of the most outspoken anti communists on this damn board. A lot of you guys are new , you don't know that because I was gone for two years. WingsOfGood posted... Take what exactly? I heard this bs from someone irl. Russia propaganda claims NATO wants to invade and take over Russia. Is this your belief? If not, that what harm is NATO causing Russia other than preventing them from invading other countries? I don't know anything about Russian Propaganda, I know they hate us fucking around on their sphere and it pisses them off. That's why I said we should have handled them differently after the Soviet union collapsed, like the way we rebuilt Germany after WW2. <cite>Keith_Valentine posted [p:963392875] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote> Robot2600 posted... </cite> <quote>Nah bruh you sound like a tanky. Yes Putin is literally supposed to just "sit there" while other countries do whatever we want. No one was going to invade Russia, you know that, literally everyone in the world knows that.</quote> Ahh. So you think a former superpower with nukes is just going to be ordered around like a bitch. So you know nothing about Russia , got it It's not about invading Russia , it's strategically moving troops and missiles into their zone of influence so if they ever try anything , we can destroy them. This is just insane btw someone calling me a tanky , I'm one of the most outspoken anti communists on this damn board. A lot of you guys are new , you don't know that because I was gone for two years. WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Take what exactly? I heard this bs from someone irl. Russia propaganda claims NATO wants to invade and take over Russia. Is this your belief? If not, that what harm is NATO causing Russia other than preventing them from invading other countries?</quote> I don't know anything about Russian Propaganda, I know they hate us fucking around on their sphere and it pisses them off. That's why I said we should have handled them differently after the Soviet union collapsed, like the way we rebuilt Germany after WW2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greyfox747 03/12/22 4:56:11 PM #54:	I wasn't expecting this topic to get to the point of someone seriously asking "what was putin supposed to do, just sit there and let Ukraine exist???? Did u see Zelensky sitting there???" --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her <cite>greyfox747 posted [p:963392895] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>I wasn't expecting this topic to get to the point of someone seriously asking "what was putin supposed to do, just sit there and let Ukraine exist???? Did u see Zelensky sitting there???" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 03/12/22 4:57:02 PM #55:	greyfox747 posted... I wasn't expecting this topic to get to the point of someone seriously asking "what was putin supposed to do, just sit there and let Ukraine exist???? Did u see Zelensky sitting there???" Well they were afraid of NATO encroaching on their borders.... So they had to invade Ukraine to have more NATO countries on their borders! --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:963392915] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>greyfox747 posted...</cite> <quote>I wasn't expecting this topic to get to the point of someone seriously asking "what was putin supposed to do, just sit there and let Ukraine exist???? Did u see Zelensky sitting there???" </quote> Well they were afraid of NATO encroaching on their borders.... So they had to invade Ukraine to have more NATO countries on their borders!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 03/12/22 4:59:06 PM #57:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] People can change their minds when confronted with facts. In addition what he is saying is basically part of a script you can hear from other people. Someone lurking might be near radicalizion to these stupid beliefs and see the ideas challenged and wake up and reject the script. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963392952] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> People can change their minds when confronted with facts. In addition what he is saying is basically part of a script you can hear from other people. Someone lurking might be near radicalizion to these stupid beliefs and see the ideas challenged and wake up and reject the script. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:00:16 PM #58:	Keith_Valentine posted... I don't know anything about Russian Propaganda, I know they hate us f*ing around on their sphere and it pisses them off. That's why I said we should have handled them differently after the Soviet union collapsed, like the way we rebuilt Germany after WW2. Their space is another country? Do you believe Ukraine had no right to exist? NATO's only purpose is to prevent Russia from invading other countries. Why would Putin fear NATO then? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963392975] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted... </cite> <quote>I don't know anything about Russian Propaganda, I know they hate us f*ing around on their sphere and it pisses them off. That's why I said we should have handled them differently after the Soviet union collapsed, like the way we rebuilt Germany after WW2.</quote> Their space is another country? Do you believe Ukraine had no right to exist? NATO's only purpose is to prevent Russia from invading other countries. Why would Putin fear NATO then? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 03/12/22 5:01:20 PM #59:	WingsOfGood posted... Take what exactly? I heard this bs from someone irl. Russia propaganda claims NATO wants to invade and take over Russia. Is this your belief? If not, that what harm is NATO causing Russia other than preventing them from invading other countries? If Ukraine joins NATO and gets into a conflict with Russia, all NATO allied nations including the US are obligated to fight for Ukraine. The US will be installing military bases in Ukraine, right at Russia's border. That's a massive security risk. Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks? --- https://i.imgur.com/WmIB016.jpg https://i.imgur.com/53FGj6K.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:963392998] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Take what exactly? I heard this bs from someone irl. Russia propaganda claims NATO wants to invade and take over Russia. Is this your belief? If not, that what harm is NATO causing Russia other than preventing them from invading other countries?</quote> If Ukraine joins NATO and gets into a conflict with Russia, all NATO allied nations including the US are obligated to fight for Ukraine. The US will be installing military bases in Ukraine, right at Russia's border. That's a massive security risk. Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 03/12/22 5:02:32 PM #60:	The one tiny point in Tucker's favor is that the tweet came out before the invasion actually occurred. Otherwise, yeah, he's just being disingenuous, as if there aren't hundreds of legitimate reasons to oppose Putin and Russia. Edit: Also, I'm seeing a lot of Putin's Advocate in here. Y'all need to stop lol --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:963393023] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>The one tiny point in Tucker's favor is that the tweet came out before the invasion actually occurred. Otherwise, yeah, he's just being disingenuous, as if there aren't hundreds of legitimate reasons to oppose Putin and Russia. Edit: Also, I'm seeing a lot of Putin's Advocate in here. Y'all need to stop lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greyfox747 03/12/22 5:02:48 PM #61:	Sad_Face posted... Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks? By not invading Canada or Mexico --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 27 states She/her <cite>greyfox747 posted [p:963393032] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks?</quote>By not invading Canada or Mexico </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:03:23 PM #62:	Sad_Face posted... If Ukraine joins NATO and gets into a conflict with Russia, all NATO allied nations including the US are obligated to fight for Ukraine. The US will be installing military bases in Ukraine, right at Russia's border. That's a massive security risk. Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks? Why would there be a conflict as long as Russia does not invade them? @Sad_Face <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963393049] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>If Ukraine joins NATO and gets into a conflict with Russia, all NATO allied nations including the US are obligated to fight for Ukraine. The US will be installing military bases in Ukraine, right at Russia's border. That's a massive security risk. Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks?</quote> Why would there be a conflict as long as Russia does not invade them? @Sad_Face </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:04:10 PM #63:	Sad_Face posted... Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks? Not care because US has 0 plans to invade Mexico or Canada. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963393072] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>Imagine if China and Russia have an alliance and start talks with Mexico or Canada to join their alliance with the same conditional support, i.e. if there's a conflict, China and Russia give them their military support. How should the US respond to such talks?</quote> Not care because US has 0 plans to invade Mexico or Canada. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 03/12/22 5:04:15 PM #64:	It is insane how Fucker made up shit about Ukraine and now Russia is using that made up shit as another excuse for this war. Fucker should be arrested already. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:963393075] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>It is insane how Fucker made up shit about Ukraine and now Russia is using that made up shit as another excuse for this war. Fucker should be arrested already. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 03/12/22 5:06:37 PM #65:	I didn't call u a tanky, I said u sound like a tanky. Get the difference? Just letting u know how u sound. I know all about Russia's history :P Well all about post-WW2 Russian history. Russia was never supposed to "try anything." Try anything is just a nice way of saying "conquer other countries." In case u didn't notice the age of imperialism is long fucking gone. --- ( o _o) <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:963393139] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>I didn't call u a tanky, I said u sound like a tanky. Get the difference? Just letting u know how u sound. I know all about Russia's history :P Well all about post-WW2 Russian history. Russia was never supposed to "try anything." Try anything is just a nice way of saying "conquer other countries." In case u didn't notice the age of imperialism is long fucking gone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bestoffuture 03/12/22 5:09:22 PM #66:	I love how all of y'all are arguing over a fake tweet lol --- Clap for that, you stupid bastards. <cite>Bestoffuture posted [p:963393207] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>I love how all of y'all are arguing over a fake tweet lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 03/12/22 5:10:28 PM #67:	Bestoffuture posted... I love how all of y'all are arguing over a fake tweet lol Say what you will, it's a real tweet: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496302694088257539 In the future, it's good practice for people to seek out the tweets in question rather than posting screengrabs, which you're right to be skeptical about. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:963393227] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Bestoffuture posted... </cite> <quote>I love how all of y'all are arguing over a fake tweet lol</quote>Say what you will, it's a real tweet: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496302694088257539 In the future, it's good practice for people to seek out the tweets in question rather than posting screengrabs, which you're right to be skeptical about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bestoffuture 03/12/22 5:11:14 PM #68:	Ah shit, I scrolled thru his account and missed that. Also, I thought it was ridiculous enough that it was a made up tweet. Carry on. <_< --- Clap for that, you stupid bastards. <cite>Bestoffuture posted [p:963393248] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Ah shit, I scrolled thru his account and missed that. Also, I thought it was ridiculous enough that it was a made up tweet. Carry on. <_< </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:11:57 PM #69:	Bestoffuture posted... Ah shit, I scrolled thru his account and missed that. Also, I thought it was ridiculous enough that it was a made up tweet. Carry on. <_< First time meeting Tucker Carlson the voice of the conservative right? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963393263] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Bestoffuture posted... </cite> <quote>Ah shit, I scrolled thru his account and missed that. Also, I thought it was ridiculous enough that it was a made up tweet. Carry on. <_<</quote> First time meeting Tucker Carlson the voice of the conservative right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keith_Valentine 03/12/22 5:14:15 PM #70:	I don't sound like a tanky. Sun Tzu said , understand your enemy. So I try to understand. Are you all claiming that NATO encroachment isn't the cause of * a lot of this? You think Putin is just snatching up countries and he's gonna try to take over the world? Really? He can't even handle Ukraine , this is a massive embarrassment and he looks impotent and weak. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/7/6/AAZssKAADBbU.jpg That's the NY times and npr ffs <cite>Keith_Valentine posted [p:963393317] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>I don't sound like a tanky. Sun Tzu said , understand your enemy. So I try to understand. Are you all claiming that NATO encroachment isn't the cause of * a lot of this? You think Putin is just snatching up countries and he's gonna try to take over the world? Really? He can't even handle Ukraine , this is a massive embarrassment and he looks impotent and weak. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/7/6/AAZssKAADBbU.jpg That's the NY times and npr ffs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/12/22 5:15:14 PM #71:	Keith_Valentine posted... Why don't you make a topic about going to war with them , then back down when everyone tells you how stupid and childish it is. Oh wait , you already did that Shut the fuck up and stop trying to tell us to view an issue from Hitler Jr's side. Putin can take his feelings and shove them up his ass. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:963393332] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted... </cite> <quote>Why don't you make a topic about going to war with them , then back down when everyone tells you how stupid and childish it is. Oh wait , you already did that</quote>Shut the fuck up and stop trying to tell us to view an issue from Hitler Jr's side. Putin can take his feelings and shove them up his ass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:17:04 PM #72:	Keith_Valentine posted... Are you all claiming that NATO encroachment isn't the cause of all this? You think Putin is just snatching up countries and he's gonna try to take over the world? Really? He can't even handle Ukraine , this is a massive embarrassment and he looks impotent and weak. Correct. The cause of this is Putin wants to take over these territories and he has vocalized that many times. He is on record saying Ukraine is not legitimate. NATO exists solely to prevent invasion. If he wasn't planning invasion, he has 0 reason to care that NATO exists. Also your link shows article saying the same, that NATO is not the reason for all this. Fyi, Crimea was found to have loads of oil. Right after this Russia took it. Think about that if you are as objective as you claim. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963393365] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted... </cite> <quote> Are you all claiming that NATO encroachment isn't the cause of all this? You think Putin is just snatching up countries and he's gonna try to take over the world? Really? He can't even handle Ukraine , this is a massive embarrassment and he looks impotent and weak.</quote> Correct. The cause of this is Putin wants to take over these territories and he has vocalized that many times. He is on record saying Ukraine is not legitimate. NATO exists solely to prevent invasion. If he wasn't planning invasion, he has 0 reason to care that NATO exists. Also your link shows article saying the same, that NATO is not the reason for all this. Fyi, Crimea was found to have loads of oil. Right after this Russia took it. Think about that if you are as objective as you claim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 03/12/22 5:18:10 PM #73:	Putin's insanity, not NATO, is the only thing to blame. Saying NATO caused this is like saying making murder illegal just makes people want to murder more. It makes no logical sense. Maybe Putin shouldn't have rigged 4 elections and made himself president for life. --- ( o _o) <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:963393390] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Putin's insanity, not NATO, is the only thing to blame. Saying NATO caused this is like saying making murder illegal just makes people want to murder more. It makes no logical sense. Maybe Putin shouldn't have rigged 4 elections and made himself president for life. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 03/12/22 5:27:50 PM #74:	Robot2600 posted... Putin's insanity, not NATO, is the only thing to blame. Saying NATO caused this is like saying making murder illegal just makes people want to murder more. It makes no logical sense. Maybe Putin shouldn't have rigged 4 elections and made himself president for life. But imagine if you were a rotten dictator who wanted to take over countries and rebuild the Soviet Union! You'd be pretty upset if you knew there were countries that would stop you if you tried! What is he supposed to do? Be a bitch and stay in Russia? Hold legitimate elections? Fuck off? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:963393603] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite> <quote>Putin's insanity, not NATO, is the only thing to blame. Saying NATO caused this is like saying making murder illegal just makes people want to murder more. It makes no logical sense. Maybe Putin shouldn't have rigged 4 elections and made himself president for life.</quote>But imagine if you were a rotten dictator who wanted to take over countries and rebuild the Soviet Union! You'd be pretty upset if you knew there were countries that would stop you if you tried! What is he supposed to do? Be a bitch and stay in Russia? Hold legitimate elections? Fuck off? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keith_Valentine 03/12/22 5:27:51 PM #75:	hockeybub89 posted... Shut the fuck up and stop trying to tell us to view an issue from Hitler Jr's side. Putin can take his feelings and shove them up his ass. Real tough. WingsOfGood posted... Correct. The cause of this is Putin wants to take over these territories and he has vocalized that many times. He is on record saying Ukraine is not legitimate. NATO exists solely to prevent invasion. If he wasn't planning invasion, he has 0 reason to care that NATO exists. Also your link shows article saying the same, that NATO is not the reason for all this. Fyi, Crimea was found to have loads of oil. Right after this Russia took it. Think about that if you are as objective as you claim. NATO does more than that. Saying "Putin shouldn't care" is kinda silly and irrelevant. Because he does care. Good point about the oil on Crimea, I didn't know that. Think about how we look. We invade Korea , Vietnam , topple governments around the world , Iraq and Afghanistan , Libya , and Yemen we support wars etc. Then we turn up our nose at Putin and act like we are this great moral country. Think about the hypocrisy Robot2600 posted... Putin's insanity, not NATO, is the only thing to blame. Saying NATO caused this is like saying making murder illegal just makes people want to murder more. It makes no logical sense. Maybe Putin shouldn't have rigged 4 elections and made himself president for life. I said NATO is partially responsible , executing the war is 100% Putins fault. I thought I made that clear <cite>Keith_Valentine posted [p:963393604] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>Shut the fuck up and stop trying to tell us to view an issue from Hitler Jr's side. Putin can take his feelings and shove them up his ass.</quote> Real tough. WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Correct. The cause of this is Putin wants to take over these territories and he has vocalized that many times. He is on record saying Ukraine is not legitimate. NATO exists solely to prevent invasion. If he wasn't planning invasion, he has 0 reason to care that NATO exists. Also your link shows article saying the same, that NATO is not the reason for all this. Fyi, Crimea was found to have loads of oil. Right after this Russia took it. Think about that if you are as objective as you claim.</quote> NATO does more than that. Saying "Putin shouldn't care" is kinda silly and irrelevant. Because he does care. Good point about the oil on Crimea, I didn't know that. Think about how we look. We invade Korea , Vietnam , topple governments around the world , Iraq and Afghanistan , Libya , and Yemen we support wars etc. Then we turn up our nose at Putin and act like we are this great moral country. Think about the hypocrisy Robot2600 posted... </cite> <quote>Putin's insanity, not NATO, is the only thing to blame. Saying NATO caused this is like saying making murder illegal just makes people want to murder more. It makes no logical sense. Maybe Putin shouldn't have rigged 4 elections and made himself president for life.</quote> I said NATO is partially responsible , executing the war is 100% Putins fault. I thought I made that clear </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 03/12/22 5:33:11 PM #76:	NATO isn't even the reason Putin wants Ukraine. It's just one of the excuses he's using (along with claiming Ukraine needs to be "de-nazified") --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7 9750H, RTX 2080 Max-Q, 32 GB DDR4 2666 <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:963393730] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>NATO isn't even the reason Putin wants Ukraine. It's just one of the excuses he's using (along with claiming Ukraine needs to be "de-nazified") </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Gobstoppers12 03/12/22 5:36:24 PM #78:	Keith_Valentine posted... Are you all claiming that NATO encroachment isn't the cause of *** a lot of this It's definitely Russia's excuse, yeah, but that's not the actual cause. --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:963393799] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted... </cite> <quote>Are you all claiming that NATO encroachment isn't the cause of *** a lot of this</quote>It's definitely Russia's excuse, yeah, but that's not the actual cause. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:37:26 PM #79:	Keith_Valentine posted... NATO does more than that. Saying "Putin shouldn't care" is kinda silly and irrelevant. Because he does care. Good point about the oil on Crimea, I didn't know that. Think about how we look. We invade Korea , Vietnam , topple governments around the world , Iraq and Afghanistan , Libya , and Yemen we support wars etc. Then we turn up our nose at Putin and act like we are this great moral country. Think about the hypocrisy Putin said he had 0 plans to invade Ukraine. He said this when US intelligence told the world he had plans to invade Ukraine. Even now Russia says they didn't invade Ukraine. Explain to me this. How can you suggest NATO had been overstepping and making Putin fear and forcing his hand to invade when he claimed a week before the invasion he had 0 plans to do so? Think about that for a moment. If NATO was a such a problem, he had it on his mind. But he said he did not. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963393820] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Keith_Valentine posted... </cite> <quote> NATO does more than that. Saying "Putin shouldn't care" is kinda silly and irrelevant. Because he does care. Good point about the oil on Crimea, I didn't know that. Think about how we look. We invade Korea , Vietnam , topple governments around the world , Iraq and Afghanistan , Libya , and Yemen we support wars etc. Then we turn up our nose at Putin and act like we are this great moral country. Think about the hypocrisy</quote> Putin said he had 0 plans to invade Ukraine. He said this when US intelligence told the world he had plans to invade Ukraine. Even now Russia says they didn't invade Ukraine. Explain to me this. How can you suggest NATO had been overstepping and making Putin fear and forcing his hand to invade when he claimed a week before the invasion he had 0 plans to do so? Think about that for a moment. If NATO was a such a problem, he had it on his mind. But he said he did not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 03/12/22 5:40:45 PM #80:	Putin doesn't give a shit about NATO. He just needs someone to blame. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7 9750H, RTX 2080 Max-Q, 32 GB DDR4 2666 <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:963393891] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Putin doesn't give a shit about NATO. He just needs someone to blame. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 03/12/22 5:49:09 PM #81:	The idea that NATO expansion concerned Russia is not just some crackpot theory cooked up by Russiabots and tankies: here's an article from NPR less than three weeks ago https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer That eastward NATO expansion would draw the ire if not hostility of Russia was a mainstream opinion dating back to 90s. https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html Now, does it justify a military invasion, absolutely not. But it's not just some post-hoc rationale either. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:963394069] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>The idea that NATO expansion concerned Russia is not just some crackpot theory cooked up by Russiabots and tankies: here's an article from NPR less than three weeks ago https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer That eastward NATO expansion would draw the ire if not hostility of Russia was a mainstream opinion dating back to 90s. https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html Now, does it justify a military invasion, absolutely not. But it's not just some post-hoc rationale either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 03/12/22 5:51:55 PM #82:	Yall simping for Putin are traitors <cite>What_ posted [p:963394136] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Yall simping for Putin are traitors </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:53:17 PM #83:	Antifar posted... The idea that NATO expansion concerned Russia is not just some crackpot theory cooked up by Russiabots and tankies: here's an article from NPR less than three weeks ago https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer That eastward NATO expansion would draw the ire if not hostility of Russia was a mainstream opinion dating back to 90s. https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html Now, does it justify a military invasion, absolutely not. But it's not just some post-hoc rationale either. nope https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/2/23/22945781/russia-ukraine-putin-speech-transcript-february-22 Putins clearest answer yet came in a speech delivered on Monday. He believes that Ukraine is an illegitimate country that exists on land thats historically and rightfully Russian: Ukraine actually never had stable traditions of real statehood, as he puts it. NATO expansion only bothers Putin because he has always seen these countries like Ukraine as not real countries and belonging to him. But if they join NATO he cannot just take them eventually. In other words, NATO isn't the issue. The issue is him wanting to invade and take over other countries. Equating Ukraine joining NATO as Russia making a deal with Russia that if US tries to invade Mexico Russia will bomb the US is idiotic because US doesn't want to invade Mexico. But Russia does want to invade Ukraine and they just fucking did. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963394162] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>The idea that NATO expansion concerned Russia is not just some crackpot theory cooked up by Russiabots and tankies: here's an article from NPR less than three weeks ago https://www.npr.org/2022/01/29/1076193616/ukraine-russia-nato-explainer That eastward NATO expansion would draw the ire if not hostility of Russia was a mainstream opinion dating back to 90s. https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/02/opinion/foreign-affairs-now-a-word-from-x.html Now, does it justify a military invasion, absolutely not. But it's not just some post-hoc rationale either.</quote> nope https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/2/23/22945781/russia-ukraine-putin-speech-transcript-february-22 <quote>Putins clearest answer yet came in a speech delivered on Monday. He believes that Ukraine is an illegitimate country that exists on land thats historically and rightfully Russian: Ukraine actually never had stable traditions of real statehood, as he puts it.</quote> NATO expansion only bothers Putin because he has always seen these countries like Ukraine as not real countries and belonging to him. But if they join NATO he cannot just take them eventually. In other words, NATO isn't the issue. The issue is him wanting to invade and take over other countries. Equating Ukraine joining NATO as Russia making a deal with Russia that if US tries to invade Mexico Russia will bomb the US is idiotic because US doesn't want to invade Mexico. But Russia does want to invade Ukraine and they just fucking did. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 03/12/22 5:54:34 PM #84:	Blaming NATO for Putin's actions is like blaming Mace Windu for Anakin killing all the Younglings. --- Razer Blade 15 - Core i7 9750H, RTX 2080 Max-Q, 32 GB DDR4 2666 <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:963394193] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Blaming NATO for Putin's actions is like blaming Mace Windu for Anakin killing all the Younglings. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 03/12/22 5:58:36 PM #86:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Ukraine also has a pipeline that runs through it that they had charged Russia billions to use. Russia taking over Ukraine means they own this pipeline and don't have to build a new one or pay Ukraine to transport oil to Russia. This pipeline was built when Ukraine was part of Russia. They are their own country now and so use of this pipeline is their permission. Russia dislikes this obviously. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963394275] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Ukraine also has a pipeline that runs through it that they had charged Russia billions to use. Russia taking over Ukraine means they own this pipeline and don't have to build a new one or pay Ukraine to transport oil to Russia. This pipeline was built when Ukraine was part of Russia. They are their own country now and so use of this pipeline is their permission. Russia dislikes this obviously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 03/12/22 6:00:31 PM #88:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Russia has much to gain by invading an taking over Ukraine which Russia has gone on record to say is illegitimate and should be part of Russia. Yet people unironically claiming they just afraid of NATO. Like... cmon <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963394313] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Russia has much to gain by invading an taking over Ukraine which Russia has gone on record to say is illegitimate and should be part of Russia. Yet people unironically claiming they just afraid of NATO. Like... cmon </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 03/12/22 6:09:08 PM #90:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] NATO was never a reason. NATO was just a "better take it now or you will never have it" kinda deal. Which is also false because NATO was never going to let Ukraine be part of NATO. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963394512] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> NATO was never a reason. NATO was just a "better take it now or you will never have it" kinda deal. Which is also false because NATO was never going to let Ukraine be part of NATO. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Robot2600 03/12/22 6:13:25 PM #91:	hockeybub89 posted... But imagine if you were a rotten dictator who wanted to take over countries and rebuild the Soviet Union! You'd be pretty upset if you knew there were countries that would stop you if you tried! What is he supposed to do? Be a bitch and stay in Russia? Hold legitimate elections? Fuck off? you seem to be proving exactly my point so, yes. he is supposed to do all of those things. --- ( o _o) <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:963394605] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>But imagine if you were a rotten dictator who wanted to take over countries and rebuild the Soviet Union! You'd be pretty upset if you knew there were countries that would stop you if you tried! What is he supposed to do? Be a bitch and stay in Russia? Hold legitimate elections? Fuck off?</quote> you seem to be proving exactly my point so, yes. he is supposed to do all of those things. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 03/12/22 6:29:25 PM #93:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] If they had any intention of letting Ukraine into NATO, they would do it now. It is clear that it would never happened so long as Russia still desired to take Ukraine as NATO does not then, now or ever want to have war with Russia. Basically, Putin would have to die, the government change and basically the reason for NATO to exist cease to be before Ukraine be allowed in. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963394949] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> If they had any intention of letting Ukraine into NATO, they would do it now. It is clear that it would never happened so long as Russia still desired to take Ukraine as NATO does not then, now or ever want to have war with Russia. Basically, Putin would have to die, the government change and basically the reason for NATO to exist cease to be before Ukraine be allowed in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 03/12/22 6:35:12 PM #94:	From the point of the occupation of Crimea in 2014 Ukraine was never going to be allowed into NATO. Reason being that NATO bylaws require any country applying for membership to not have open territorial disputes with their neighbors. Am I supposed to believe that Putin didn't know this? --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:963395082] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>From the point of the occupation of Crimea in 2014 Ukraine was never going to be allowed into NATO. Reason being that NATO bylaws require any country applying for membership to not have open territorial disputes with their neighbors. Am I supposed to believe that Putin didn't know this? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 6:40:04 PM #95:	ScazarMeltex posted... Reason being that NATO bylaws require any country applying for membership to not have open territorial disputes with their neighbors. Am I supposed to believe that Putin didn't know this? lmao of course or rather the argument will swiftly change to "Biden doesn't care about bylaws!" My family has told me US troops are currently fighting on the ground in Ukraine. When I tell them how insane that is they say Biden does what he wants. Oh but he is also weak and an idiot. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963395169] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>Reason being that NATO bylaws require any country applying for membership to not have open territorial disputes with their neighbors. Am I supposed to believe that Putin didn't know this?</quote> lmao of course or rather the argument will swiftly change to "Biden doesn't care about bylaws!" My family has told me US troops are currently fighting on the ground in Ukraine. When I tell them how insane that is they say Biden does what he wants. Oh but he is also weak and an idiot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 03/12/22 10:49:00 PM #96:	greyfox747 posted... By not invading Canada or Mexico WingsOfGood posted... Not care because US has 0 plans to invade Mexico or Canada. Can you trust China or Russia not to influence Canada/Mexico to instigate a conflict? Remember, this scenario of a China-Russia-Canada/Mexico alliance means that China gets to install military bases in either respective countries. --- https://i.imgur.com/WmIB016.jpg https://i.imgur.com/53FGj6K.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:963400330] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>greyfox747 posted... </cite> <quote>By not invading Canada or Mexico</quote> WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Not care because US has 0 plans to invade Mexico or Canada.</quote> Can you trust China or Russia not to influence Canada/Mexico to instigate a conflict? Remember, this scenario of a China-Russia-Canada/Mexico alliance means that China gets to install military bases in either respective countries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 03/12/22 10:51:20 PM #97:	Sad_Face posted... Can you trust China or Russia not to influence Canada/Mexico to instigate a conflict? Remember, this scenario of a China-Russia-Canada/Mexico alliance means that China gets to install military bases in either respective countries. This nonsense hypothetical alliance is nothing compared to the Martian Venusian American Alliance. We have the backing of both Proxima Centauri and Alpha Centauri. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:963400362] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>Can you trust China or Russia not to influence Canada/Mexico to instigate a conflict? Remember, this scenario of a China-Russia-Canada/Mexico alliance means that China gets to install military bases in either respective countries.</quote> This nonsense hypothetical alliance is nothing compared to the Martian Venusian American Alliance. We have the backing of both Proxima Centauri and Alpha Centauri. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 03/12/22 10:52:55 PM #98:	Sad_Face posted... Can you trust China or Russia not to influence Canada/Mexico to instigate a conflict? Remember, this scenario of a China-Russia-Canada/Mexico alliance means that China gets to install military bases in either respective countries. As in make Mexico invade the US? That would go very badly for them. So what you are suggesting is the USA was telling Ukraine to invade into Russia. This is your view of the situation? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:963400390] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Sad_Face posted... </cite> <quote>Can you trust China or Russia not to influence Canada/Mexico to instigate a conflict? Remember, this scenario of a China-Russia-Canada/Mexico alliance means that China gets to install military bases in either respective countries.</quote> As in make Mexico invade the US? That would go very badly for them. So what you are suggesting is the USA was telling Ukraine to invade into Russia. This is your view of the situation? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TroutPaste 03/12/22 10:53:34 PM #99:	Bestoffuture posted... Fake news no, it's real. I saw it the day of --- https://steamcommunity.com/id/Acerbic89/ Free Games Board... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1488-free-games <cite>TroutPaste posted [p:963400403] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Bestoffuture posted... </cite> <quote>Fake news</quote> no, it's real. I saw it the day of </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sad_Face 03/12/22 10:54:14 PM #100:	Tyranthraxus posted... This nonsense hypothetical alliance is nothing compared to the Martian Venusian American Alliance. We have the backing of both Proxima Centauri and Alpha Centauri. When it comes to politics, you have to test the whataboutism scenarios where your adversary is in the position of power. You don't want to set a precedent that you only feel comfortable with when the conditions favors you. --- https://i.imgur.com/WmIB016.jpg https://i.imgur.com/53FGj6K.gif <cite>Sad_Face posted [p:963400413] in Tucker Car... [t:79939709]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>This nonsense hypothetical alliance is nothing compared to the Martian Venusian American Alliance. We have the backing of both Proxima Centauri and Alpha Centauri.</quote>When it comes to politics, you have to test the whataboutism scenarios where your adversary is in the position of power. You don't want to set a precedent that you only feel comfortable with when the conditions favors you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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