Current Events > Email from my 2 year olds preschool inviting us to a webinar on gender identity

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professor_jack posted...

Inclusivity is good, but in celebrating diversity and tolerance we can glorify the atypical and suggest the typical are less-than. And no child, male/female/trans/etc should feel less than.

this happens literally any time there's any sort of pride event for anyone who's not a "typical" straight white male
and it's no surprise that it's always the same bad-faith actors

kelemvor posted...

Im only aware of one case, it was in the news for like a day or two. The teacher got fired for trying to convince high school girls to take hormones to stop their breasts from growing because she "just knew" they were actually men. Without parental consent, of course.

What the fuck. Did they go to reddit high school or something?

what's the issue? Its probably just going to be things like "If your boy wants to play with barbies and stuff its ok"...i think you're definitely overreacting and making this up to be something deeper so you can be offended by it. Relax, Snowflake, it'll be ok.

Yeah, this is for parents. It will help them deal with their children who may not conform to gender norms and also how to discuss it since children will ask questions at that age when they see hear certain things, as well.

Anyone thinking this is about teaching it to children are morons and, frankly, are far more dangerous as parents.

professor_jack posted...

Do they though?

At 2 years old, a kid is going to just be playing around, As long as a parent isn't oppressive I can't imagine what a parent would need to jump in and do.

I would hope that nobody would argue the moment a child at all explores something outside of outdated gender norms the parent has to start pushing them one way or the other.

IMO, let kids play and be kids. Trying to ask your son "hey, have you thought you might be a girl?" the second they pick up a doll is way too much for a 2 year old, and also based on rigid and outdated gender norms.

At the very least I think we can all agree that whatever is taught to parents on this, it should be 100% psychologically science based.

I think it's highly likely that's what the seminar would say to do, let your kid be free to express themselves rather than push them in one direction, so you're more open minded than you think

Everything I've heard about gender dysphoria, particularly as it relates to young children is about letting them choose, and not about major physical alterations to children being forced on them. You might find you agree with it if you research it instead of being afraid of boogeymen

Get em when they're young

HerbSaunders posted...

How does one distinguish a tomboy from a transmale? Seems like a really progressive couple might have a daughter who is into traditionally "male" activities and push that their child is transgender.

I assume the healthy way would just be to let your children be themselves. Creating an environment where the child can feel safe to express their identity?

At that young of an age, you don't distinguish.

But many, MANY people will see a young boy playing with a doll or a "girl" toy, and take it away from them, as opposed to just letting a kid be a kid.

They need to put that inclusivity budget into Dunkaroos, a basketball hoop, and a sandbox

Unless it's a volunteer thing. Then I like that person's moxie

I'm sure straight white males can fall in love, but I certainly don't need my children learning that.

Good. Also:

JimRob posted...

March is Women's History Month, don't forget.

ImAMarvel posted...

why are we responding to an obvious troll account

Because we live in a shitty timeline now where obvious troll accounts are members of Congress and former presidents of the United States.

A good third of the country are obvious troll accounts made flesh.

ECW_Originals12 posted...

Get em when they're young

Unironically correct.

The worst thing you can do for a child is let their issues go unchecked.

Children know their identity early, even if they don't have the words for it. Would you argue that a child can't feel pain if they haven't taken an anatomy class? It would be incredibly immoral to make them suffer in silence for 18 years if they were born LGBTQ. By that logic, we should abolish pediatricians and refuse to treat children for anything that isn't going to kill them imminently. I mean, they could grow out of it, right? They don't even know what a medical condition is without adults putting ideas in their heads.

HerbSaunders posted...

How does one distinguish a tomboy from a transmale? Seems like a really progressive couple might have a daughter who is into traditionally "male" activities and push that their child is transgender.

I assume the healthy way would just be to let your children be themselves. Creating an environment where the child can feel safe to express their identity?

This is my take.

First of all, I don't believe anything TC says.

Second, I've helped run some of these seminars as sociology intern. They're just about challenging preconceived notions of gender (pushed by adults) and letting kids do what they want. If a boy wants to play with dolls, let him, if a girl wants to play with legos, let her. I can't tell you how many children and parents run into issues of, "Spiderman is a boy's toy," or, "Why does Elsa wear a blue dress if she's a girl?" Those kinds of questions are things kids pick up from their environment, usually subconsciously. Sometimes they can create conflict between children playing or create self-imposed barriers. The ideal isn't to push ideas onto children, i.e. boys should play with dolls, but to give children an open environment to decide for themselves and to explain why it's ok to do things contrary to gender norms.

But, why don't you go and tell us about the seminar?

ChocoboMog123 posted...

First of all, I don't believe anything TC says.

Second, I've helped run some of these seminars as sociology intern. They're just about challenging preconceived notions of gender (pushed by adults) and letting kids do what they want. If a boy wants to play with dolls, let him, if a girl wants to play with legos, let her. I can't tell you how many children and parents run into issues of, "Spiderman is a boy's toy," or, "Why does Elsa wear a blue dress if she's a girl?" Those kinds of questions are things kids pick up from their environment, usually subconsciously. Sometimes they can create conflict between children playing or create self-imposed barriers. The ideal isn't to push ideas onto children, i.e. boys should play with dolls, but to give children an open environment to decide for themselves and to explain why it's ok to do things contrary to gender norms.

But, why don't you go and tell us about the seminar?

OMG THAT SOUNDS HORRIFIC THEY WANT KIDS TO TAKE HORMONES!?

That is likely all TC and those supporting him ITT will see in your post. They've been wrong about this kind of thing for so long that they either truly believe their delusions or are too "proud" to admit it. teaching parents how to challenge gender norms from a young age is a great thing.

CyricZ posted...

Hey TC how about you check out this webinar and report back to us.

This.

Ever thought that all of your questions will be answered if you actually bothered to attend this seminar?

Someone: Here's a pamphlet on organ donation
Trolls itt, throwing it away: I won't read this! You're probably advocating organ harvesting! Disgusting!

Not that even what tc fears is actually bad, but that's not my point rn