Current Events > Really good video that goes over the reasons why Russia is taking over Ukraine

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Tldw: oil and gas

So really Europe should get involved so Russia doesn't have complete control over their natural gas

So really Europe should get involved so Russia doesn't have complete control over their natural gas

The reason of NATO was expanding eastwards as well even though they assured Russia they wouldn't, I remember Putin complaining about this on the news before the attack started.

It seems a lot of this shit is a result of Ukraine being sandwiched between two opposing countries and now they're being attacked. Russia didn't want NATO's influence in Ukraine at all.

Its a video by RealLifeLore

The reason of NATO was expanding eastwards as well even though they assured Russia they wouldn't, I remember Putin complaining about this on the news before the attack started.

It seems a lot of this shit is a result of Ukraine being sandwiched between two opposing countries and now they're being attacked. Russia didn't want NATO's influence in Ukraine at all.

Hey, just a thought, but how about not parroting Russian propaganda?

If Russia doesn't want Ukraine cozying up to NATO then maybe Russia should be a better fucking neighbor.

NATO was expanding eastwards as well even though they assured Russia they wouldn't,

As far as i know, theis "assurance" either never happened, or he is wildly exagerrating the level of legal binding-ness of it

Want to calm down? I have absolutely no stake in this whatsoever, so if you have a problem with my posts, how about correcting me or discussing it like a normal person.

And because of that, more innocent people die.

And because of that, more innocent people die.

Correction and discussion would require some degree of knowledge and understanding, whereas insulting someones intelligence requires neither.

innocent people are dying because of Putin and only because of Putin, get the fuck outta here with whatever fucking bullshit you are trying to spin here

And because of that, more innocent people die.

So first you come in here with "it's the Wests fault for breaking their promise"

And now that i said no such promise was ever made and Putin is lying, you switch to "it's Wests fault for not pgiving such promise"

Are you living in the Kreml or what's going on here?

Again, I didn't say it was anyones fault (except for the governments in charge). Where did you get that from?

But people here assumed I was defending Russia for some reason.

As far as i know, theis "assurance" either never happened, or he is wildly exagerrating the level of legal binding-ness of it

If so, you got terrible communication skills

Repeating Putins propaganda verbatim in a "hey, i'm just asking questions" kinda looks like bad faith shit right now

You came in with the talking points Russian bots are using all over the web (including at least one member of this board that was basically celebrating the war) to defend or justify the invasion, and people are reacting badly. Don't take it too personally if you're just a bit out of the loop.

But people here assumed I was defending Russia for some reason.

Edit: I had this exact same conversation on Discord, about how Russia is shit-scared of NATO and has resorted in attacking Ukraine. But here? People lose it over anything.

This is exactly why CE is pretty shit with politics. Users here have no control or social ability to discuss things. Like Twitter.

Sorry people don't want to "debate" Russian propaganda talking points with you. There have been like a dozen people suspended in the past day or so since the invasion doing it and I think most of us just don't care for it anymore.

You know what, I callled you a troll in my deleted comment but I'm probably doing the exact same thing that I told myself I wouldn't do. Adding fuel to the fire.

So lets just leave it as that.

Tldw: oil and gas