Current Events > From Software needs to add difficulty settings.

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Jagr_68 posted...

The fact that you posted this without a single ounce of self awareness that this line of logic goes both ways is absolutely fucking hilarious.

And also close your account.

The fact ypu replied to this post so quickly and angrily says a lot more about you than me. Lmao . Did I touch a nerve? Shame I almost feel bad for you, lol.

One of the best reasons to not play any of these souls games is so you dont turn into an elitist shit stain like so many of these fans are.

angeleyes94 posted...

Wah, wah I'm so special because the game is so durr durr difficult and time consuming. I also stink and don't like to bathe. I'm so glad fromsoftware caters to me and only people like me cuz I'm speciol( ma and peepaw sed so) and not a huge loser who works half time and still lives with mum and dad and no woman will ever touch me. Ah dur git god dur.

You seem upset. Like, unreasonably so.

They should do it like 2D Mario, where the easy mode is far too easy to be fun at all and your save is permanently marked for using it once.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

One of the best reasons to not play any of these souls games is so you dont turn into an elitist shit stain like so many of these fans are.

It's not that hard it's just annoying. You got to sit there with the cellphone guide instead of it being built into the game.

Also to avoid annoying bs they like to pull like the stupid monkey boss in Sekiro you can use a trainer on PC. Too bad PS5 doesn't have that.

Also the more people buy and enjoy a game the more money can be made to create new and better games. Instead of reusing bosses and animations from DS 3. Meh. Imagine fromsoft with a budget, hopefully there'd be much less jank.

If it's like the old games then coop is the ultimate ez mode

TheOnionKnight posted...

I don't really think the games need adjustable difficulty, but 'git gud' is a toxic mentality.

I agree. But once you sift through the memes, youll find a lot of souls players are pretty willing to give advice in game and offline. The games also encourage co-op (especially this time around). I understand the fans are notorious for git gud from the earlier days but plenty here and all around the internet are eager to help.

This is why Dark Souls has the worst fanbase

Maybe I'm just good, but Elden Ring isn't that hard. I mean it is hard, but I feel like it's fair in it's difficulty. It doesn't come off cheap. This is my first From game and while it kicks my ass, I see the patterns so I go off and level up and then return and usually beat what was bothering me. There's no shame in running away and trying again later on.

RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

One of the best reasons to not play any of these souls games is so you dont turn into an elitist shit stain like so many of these fans are.

I have found the Souls community to be welcoming. The git gud is partly a joke now and partly simply a response to the incessant whining about the difficulty.

LeperMessiahXX posted...

Maybe I'm just good, but Elden Ring isn't that hard. I mean it is hard, but I feel like it's fair in it's difficulty. It doesn't come off cheap. This is my first From game and while it kicks my ass, I see the patterns so I go off and level up and then return and usually beat what was bothering me. There's no shame in running away and trying again later on.

This is exactly how the Souls games are. They are almost never cheap. They only seem hard at first but you truly do "git gud" by leveling up and learning patterns.

Welcome to Soulsborne. Please give the others a shot too. Bloodborne is my favorite.

One thing I generally notice is that you rarely see anyone saying I want an easy mode because the games are too hard for me. It always seems to be arguing from some place of activism for an aggrieved party that may or may not exist. Thats just kinda weird at a certain point.

The these changes wouldnt affect you arguments are utter nonsense and such surface level thinking.

its just menu options you dont have to click on

No, its changing the entire games core design and philosophy. Its asking the developers to change a tentpole of their games theyve been making over a decade now and in their 7th iteration.

The irony of saying it doesnt affect you when asking a game to change that has amassed millions of fans to change to cater to such a minuscule amount of people that arent interested in that style of game.

Also there seems like a complete lack of understanding that its not as simple as scale a few numbers

The whole structure of the game is built around the difficulty. The game isnt immediately brutally hard. The games have always had a open layout with a main path sort of speak the game sends you down that gets progressively harder and many soft gates that the player can reach but the enemy level may steer them away. Changing anything about the difficulty could trivialize this design.

Added to this theres the cooperative and PVP aspects of these games that are balanced around player level and progression, and so would then have to be further balanced around difficulty levels

And finally theres the environmental difficulty which isnt a thing that can be adjusted with changing a few health bars / player damage. When youre not paying attention to the environment and a bolder crushes you, thats the intention. The fix there isnt to take the boulder away, its to learn from your mistakes. And then this ties into what I was talking about previously about how the whole game is structured around this difficulty. When you as the player enter an area full of traps and enemies stronger then you should be expecting, thats all part of the difficulty baked into the game design and the soft gates Im talking about. These arent mechanics that can easily be changed with some difficulty slider.

Yall talking out your ass about that shit. If youre interested in the games, play them. If not, find literally anything else to play. How difficult is that?

I don't really get why people feel the need to play this game but the only thing stopping them is the difficulty.

Like....

1. You don't have to play the game. It's okay to not play every game that gets made.
2. Maybe you just don't actually like the genre as much as you thought you did.
3. There are already plenty of games out there that are similar in gameplay to Souls but easy. Many of them are very good. Monster Hunter has a wealth of difficulty options ranging from actually literally boring to make Dark Souls say uncle.

I dont think they should add easier difficulty settings.

If the game is too hard for you to enjoy, then you have tons of other video game options to play. Let the people who appreciate the difficult nature of the games have their niche.

Also, there is nothing wrong with gatekeeping.

Esrac posted...

Let the people who appreciate the difficult nature of the games have their niche.

Difficulty settings wouldn't change this.

Dark Souls is like the last bastion of hardcore, non-handholding AAA games left. We don't need more boring, easy crap for the mainstream. We have enough of those.

Butterfiles posted...

This is why Dark Souls has the worst fanbase

you sound like a number one fan

Crescente posted...

Dark Souls is like the last bastion of hardcore, non-handholding AAA games left. We don't need more boring, easy crap for the mainstream. We have enough of those.

And a difficulty setting wouldn't change that just don't opt for the easier mode.

Also the implication that the Souls series isn't mainstream now is laughable

CrimsonAngel posted...

Difficulty settings wouldn't change this.

The devs won't implement it no matter how hard you fight for it. The 750k concurrent on one platform definitely isn't helping your cause. So why don't we play the games we like and leave the games we don't?

CrimsonAngel posted...

Difficulty settings wouldn't change this.

Question, have you ever programmed anything before? Even basic high school classes?

If youre speaking from some idealistic place where everyone has infinite money and time, sure, but speaking from a realistic perspective, it changes quite a bit.

"just add easy mode" like the game isn't already easy.

The worst part of the whole Dark Souls debate is that is has caused a large number of people equate "accessible" with "easy" and parrot it as if that is somehow something that must be achieved. Elden Ring became vastly more accessible when it allowed you to skip on running back to the boss, thus being far more accessible for people with limited time, but that didn't make the game any easier.

Solo_Wing posted...

So why don't we play the games we like and leave the games we don't?

Never said I didn't like the Soulsborne series, I've played and beaten them all since DS1 except for Sekiro. In fact I plan on getting Elden Ring next month for PS5.

haha you just suck ass

man up, nerd

Crescente posted...

Dark Souls is like the last bastion of hardcore, non-handholding AAA games left. We don't need more boring, easy crap for the mainstream. We have enough of those.

preach it

I think a lot of the difficulty simply stems from sluggish controls tbh

VigorouslySwish posted...

I think a lot of the difficulty simply stems from sluggish controls tbh

It's not really the games fault that people try to play it like it's dynasty warriors

Tyranthraxus posted...

It's not really the games fault that people try to play it like it's dynasty warriors

This.

Tyranthraxus posted...

"just add easy mode" like the game isn't already easy.

I mean Elden Ring is getting rave reviews from critics and critics are shit at video games.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/0/AAcev8AAAYJK.jpg

elden ring is easy as fuck though

Crescente posted...

Dark Souls is like the last bastion of hardcore, non-handholding AAA games left. We don't need more boring, easy crap for the mainstream. We have enough of those.

Thank you, amen corner over here.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/0/9/4/AAArk7AAC-NW.jpg

ElleRagu posted...

elden ring is easy as fuck though

That's what I heard, I picked up my vopy yesterday. I haven't played it yet because I'm in the middle of Horizon 2, but other FromSoft vets that I talked to said the game is the most accessible Soulslike game they've made so far.

The series is doing just fine without it

CrimsonAngel posted...

Difficulty settings wouldn't change this.

If you added an easy mode to the game, like so many other games, then it wouldn't be the hardcore difficulty niche game anymore.

If the game is already so successful because of what it is, then there is no good reason to add an easy mode.

Didnt Horizon Zero Difficulty 2 come out last week?

Stop acting like Souls is a niche game lol

Elden Ring is one of the most played games on Steam right now Souls is mainstream you need to accept it

CrimsonAngel posted...

Stop acting like Souls is a niche game lol

Elden Ring is one of the most played games on Steam right now Souls is mainstream you need to accept it

So what you are saying is they don't need to add an easy mode because it sells no matter what. So now why do they need one?

Also I love how you keep ignoring this point:

Nemu posted...

Question, have you ever programmed anything before? Even basic high school classes?

If youre speaking from some idealistic place where everyone has infinite money and time, sure, but speaking from a realistic perspective, it changes quite a bit.

CrimsonAngel posted...

Stop acting like Souls is a niche game lol

Elden Ring is one of the most played games on Steam right now Souls is mainstream you need to accept it

Ok. Then there is no reason to add an easy mode, because its already successful for being what it is.

Now, I dont mean niche as in "barely played", I mean that it provides a product that most games don't. The difficulty being part of that. Its successful because of that.

HughFranzeffIII posted...

Also I love how you keep ignoring this point:

Because it's a stupid point.

Programmers have been making easy modes since the fucking NES it's not some arcane technology

If a programmer can't make "X enemy do less damage" depending on the difficulty setting they should probably seek a new profession

HughFranzeffIII posted...

So what you are saying is they don't need to add an easy mode because it sells no matter what. So now why do they need one?

Also I love how you keep ignoring this point:

This is answered and a lot more in my post #114

Which youre completely ignoring.

CrimsonAngel posted...

Because it's a stupid point.

Programmers have been making easy modes since the fucking NES it's not some arcane technology

If a programmer can't make "X enemy do less damage" depending on the difficulty setting they should probably seek a new profession

You're speaking from a point of massive ignorance if you think "easy mode" equates to slapping on a few different numbers and calling it a day. Even a small change in numbers can horribly break a tiny little game with only ten variables.

IllegalAlien posted...

haha you just suck ass

lmao

Getting wrecked is part of the journey. If you dont like it then just play something else.