Current Events > Economic sanctions also helped lead to WW2

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Germany was heavily sanctioned after WW1

Welp time to just let Russia do what it wants then.

no it wasn't. it was forced to pay war indemnities. this is tremendously different from economic sanctions.

learn your fucking history

https://www.history.com/news/treaty-of-versailles-provisions

Thats what I meant. Different path same destiny.

Welp time to just let Russia do what it wants then.

TC: there may be unintended consequences to sanctions and we should consider them

CE: YEAH LETS JUST LET RUSSIA DO WHATEVER THEY WANT

Yall are really fucking disingenuous about everything

This but without the sarcasm. Russia having Ukraine is a better outcome than World War III and the complete destruction of this planet.

This but without the sarcasm. Russia having Ukraine is a better outcome than World War III and the complete destruction of this planet.

TC: there may be unintended consequences to sanctions and we should consider them

CE: YEAH LETS JUST LET RUSSIA DO WHATEVER THEY WANT

Yall are really fucking disingenuous about everything

if the path is different there is not a comparison to be made

And the rest of Europe as well?
@CaptainStrong

The concern trolling is getting tiring.

Since when does Russia want to take over all of Europe?

They want more territories as there is more places that used to be part of the USSR. Putin and his high officials have stated on record all these places belong to Russia.

Some of these are in NATO.
If he gets his way, he takes them.

But he won't be satisfied because at their border would be countries that fear he will invade them too and put weapons at the border. So his excuse to take all of Europe is very simple.

"for the protection of all Russian territories, I must demilitarize Europe of all anti-russian sentiments"

He even used this excuse to invade Ukraine.
@CaptainStrong

Then once he has that, he will say America sitting across the sea is still a danger.

Its long been known that Putin hankers for a lost age of Russian dominance over its neighbours. Calling the collapse of the USSR the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century is one of his most-quoted (and most misunderstood) historical judgments.

In his speech, Putin reached back far further than the cold war to find his grievances. He stated clearly that the processes that led to Russia losing territory a century ago must be reversed. He pointed out what he said were catastrophic mistakes by the Bolsheviks in recognising Ukraine as a republic, and ceding land to end the war with Germany in 1918. He lamented the loss not of the Soviet Union, but of the territory of the former Russian empire.

Putins warped description of the way countries achieved their independence from Russian rule is aimed at Ukraine, but there is little in it that could not also be applied to Poland, Finland and the Baltic states.

Putins interpretation of history may be unrecognisable to the west, but it forms the framework for Russias current decisions and so cannot be ignored. This isnt, of course, the first time Putin has said these things. But he has now removed all doubt that he is also intent on acting on them.

Since when does Russia want to take over all of Europe?

They want more territories as there is more places that used to be part of the USSR. Putin and his high officials have stated on record all these places belong to Russia.

Some of these are in NATO.
If he gets his way, he takes them.

But he won't be satisfied because at their border would be countries that fear he will invade them too and put weapons at the border. So his excuse to take all of Europe is very simple.

"for the protection of all Russian territories, I must demilitarize Europe of all anti-russian sentiments"

He even used this excuse to invade Ukraine.
@CaptainStrong

Then once he has that, he will say America sitting across the sea is still a danger.
Thompson posted... Well... if Putin can just threaten WW3 to get what he wants and we just let him have what he wants, then I guess he can have everything he might want.
Ukraine, the Baltics, Finland, East Europe, all of Europe, Alaska, the USA...

The moment Russia hits a NATO ally it is WW3 for real.

Poland, Finland and the Baltic states.

Total paranoid slippery slope bullshit.

you might as well YOLO it cause you have nothing to lose.

Then once he has that, he will say America sitting across the sea is still a danger.

Well... if Putin can just threaten WW3 to get what he wants and we just let him have what he wants, then I guess he can have everything he might want.
Ukraine, the Baltics, Finland, East Europe, all of Europe, Alaska, the USA...

Thing is, if he touches one hair on NATO's head, he gets obliterated overnight by the most powerful military alliance in the history of the planet.

What changes from Ukraine to a NATO country?

"Hurting their economy is simply going too far" is certainly a hot take. Even more so when combined with "We should just let them invade a little bit. They'll probably be content after just slaughtering Ukrainians."

Everything.

Why is it that NATO did not defend Ukraine? Because they aren't in NATO? no.

But actually yes.

Why is it that NATO did not defend Ukraine? Because they aren't in NATO?

When did Ukraine ask to be in NATO again?
And why was it denied?

Yeah

At the June 2021 Brussels Summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its own future and foreign policy, of course without outside interference.[11]NATO Secretary GeneralJens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO, as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do.[12]

Why are they no NATO country?

TC: there may be unintended consequences to sanctions and we should consider them

CE: YEAH LETS JUST LET RUSSIA DO WHATEVER THEY WANT

Yall are really fucking disingenuous about everything

NATO literally didn't admit Ukraine specifically because they wanted to avoid war with Russia.

So your claim is, "being in NATO is different!"

dun dun dun

There you go.

So your claim is, "being in NATO is different!"
Yet Ukraine begged to be in NATO and they were like "but if we do that, we would go to war with Russia so no..."

But if Russia steps into the Baltics we are super ready to go to war with Russia all the sudden just because of semantics of "well they are in NATO"

despite Ukraine having asked back in 2008 to be... in NATO

1. Asking to be in NATO doesn't put you into NATO this isn't a fucking class you enroll in.
2. Yes things will be different if the Baltics are attacked. You suggesting they wouldn't be is fucking asinine.

At the June 2021 Brussels Summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process and Ukraine's right to determine its own future and foreign policy, of course without outside interference.

[11]NATO Secretary GeneralJens Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine's accession to NATO, as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do.[12]

Asking to be in NATO doesn't put you into NATO this isn't a f***ing class you enroll in.

That is what you guys are arguing. That the world isn't ready to go to WW3 for Ukraine, but they are for the Baltics.

Ukraine was told they would be in NATO in June 2021

They were told Russia could not keep them out of NATO

That is what you guys are arguing. That the world isn't ready to go to WW3 for Ukraine, but they are for the Baltics.

Yeah, because all of the Baltic nations are part of NATO

Baltics: Hey guys, I am being invaded/
Nato: We want war with Russia

Ukraine: Can we be in NATO?
Nato: YES! ABSOLUTELY!
Ukraine: ok, so, why aren't we in NATO now?
Nato: cause we don't want war with Russia

Nato: Hey myself, I am being invaded/
Nato: We want war with Russia