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LostForest
02/18/22 11:43:46 AM
#1:


That game went off the rails by the end, but in a good way. Honestly though, glad it opted for a kind of happy ending.

I'm assuming I missed it or didn't understand it, but is there any real explanation for how Usami magically shows up to defeat Junk-ho, besides "it was a miracle"?

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YookaLaylee
02/18/22 11:47:36 AM
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If you think that went off the rails then wait until you finish V3

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LostForest
02/18/22 12:04:03 PM
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I want to play V3 someday but I really want to get Summer Camp first cuz I'm burned out on depressing murder mystery shit lol. I know Summer Camp features characters from V3 but eh.

Also I still need to watch the Future Arc of DR3 now that I'm done with 2.

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LostForest
02/18/22 12:28:59 PM
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Also I gotta say the majority of the characters are a lot more likeable/interesting than the cast of DR1.

It's just a shame that aside from Fuyuhiko, the majority of the most interesting ones didn't make it to the end lol.

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Doe
02/18/22 12:50:12 PM
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I was literally so shocked that the hamster guy was a killer that I didn't even process them as an option and was stuck on the selection screen for like 3 minutes

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LostForest
02/18/22 1:00:56 PM
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Doe posted...
I was literally so shocked that the hamster guy was a killer that I didn't even process them as an option and was stuck on the selection screen for like 3 minutes

Yeahhh that was a heartbreaker. And honestly, it didn't even make sense. He had absolutely no motive and it seemed really out of character for him.

I think what happened was the writers spent so much energy focusing on the stupid funhouse mystery, that when all was said and done they forgot they had to pick someone to be a killer as well lol.

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ellis123
02/18/22 1:34:19 PM
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LostForest posted...
Yeahhh that was a heartbreaker. And honestly, it didn't even make sense. He had absolutely no motive and it seemed really out of character for him.
He wasn't trying to succeed with getting away with it. He was sacrificing his + Nekomaru's life for the sake of everyone else getting away. In that sense the fact that he left it as an actual mystery to be solved is called in question but it still somewhat makes sense in that it calls into the themes of the game in that he trusted that the cast would solve the case.

Not exactly the most air-tight of reasons but it's an anime-styled game so being dramatic is kind of more important than actually being logically sound.

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LostForest
02/18/22 2:55:24 PM
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ellis123 posted...
He wasn't trying to succeed with getting away with it. He was sacrificing his + Nekomaru's life for the sake of everyone else getting away. In that sense the fact that he left it as an actual mystery to be solved is called in question but it still somewhat makes sense in that it calls into the themes of the game in that he trusted that the cast would solve the case.

Not exactly the most air-tight of reasons but it's an anime-styled game so being dramatic is kind of more important than actually being logically sound.

I guess that's a fair point, but I feel like they also had him make a throwaway comment like "His existence was a constant annoyance to me." about Mechomaru, as if it wasn't solely a selfless act.

Either way, that's gotta be the worst case in the first two games.

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ellis123
02/18/22 3:35:43 PM
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LostForest posted...
Either way, that's gotta be the worst case in the first two games.
Not really, no. Chapter 3's murder (The one with the Despair Disease) easily blows it out of the water for being worse. Dumb set up leading to a dumb mystery with asinine plot make it not just the worst case in 2 but arguably the entire series. By comparison Chapter 4 has its "eh" motivation as its only blemish and is otherwise extremely novel take on not just the formula of the series but the nature of the games themselves. While not the best even in its own game Chapter 4 is arguably one of the better cases in the entire trilogy.

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Doe
02/18/22 3:38:22 PM
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That case where the fat weeaboo nonsensically says the secret real name of the killer which happens to be another person's first name is -far and away- the weakest case of the first two games

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ellis123
02/18/22 4:08:58 PM
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Doe posted...
That case where the fat weeaboo nonsensically says the secret real name of the killer which happens to be another person's first name is -far and away- the weakest case of the first two games
Ye, Chapter 3 in D1 was also pretty awful. It's part of the reason I said "arguably" before.

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LostForest
02/18/22 4:12:54 PM
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Case 3 was very mixed for me. On one hand, my favorite character was killed (Ibuki) but on the other hand my most hated character was also killed (Hiyoko) lol. So it was kind of a monkey's paw situation for me.

I was whatever about the nurse girl being motivated by the despair disease. I couldn't stand her. But having watched the prequel anime, I suspected she was gonna end up as a killer eventually anyway.
That said, I was shocked she didn't come back later on. The way her execution scene abruptly finishes without actually showing her getting killed really made me think she wasnt actually dead.

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ellis123
02/18/22 4:29:42 PM
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I mean, what you are saying is perfectly valid as to why you might personally like or not like a given case. It just doesn't change the fact that the case was pretty awful. Having the entire premise of the murders be based entirely on an OOC virus that just appears as soon as the chapter starts and goes away when it ends makes the whole thing extremely disjointed versus the entire series. The fact that you could tell that Mikan was going to be a murderer (which was more you getting spoiled than it being foreshadowed as D2 came out in 2012 while the anime was from 2013) really didn't change the fact that the entire reasoning behind everything was just dumb. Similarly the act of having your favorite + least favorite characters die is something that can hamper/heighten your enjoyment, but the reality is that the entire thing was plotted out extremely poorly and only served to make the entire case easy to poke holes into. Where the one mentioned by Doe was just dumb and contrived D2's Chapter 3 was just lazy. They needed characters to die, couldn't come up with anything that made sense at all, and then just deus ex machina'd their way through the whole affair.

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Doe
02/18/22 4:34:02 PM
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ellis123 posted...
Having the entire premise of the murders be based entirely on an OOC virus that just appears as soon as the chapter starts and goes away when it ends makes the whole thing extremely disjointed versus the entire series
1) nah actually the OoC virus is cool
2) It foreshadows the fact that the world is virtual and completely in the control of Junko

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The Popo
02/18/22 4:36:32 PM
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LostForest posted...
Also I still need to watch the Future Arc of DR3 now that I'm done with 2.

I really dont think you need to watch it. For one thing, it isnt good at all. For another, they honestly dont reference it much, other than using the characters in an optional side board game, which isnt part of the main game of V3.

I would say Ultra Despair Girls is more important than the future arc. I personally dont think it is as bad as most people make it out to be, but Im clearly in the minority. Instead of playing the game, you could always watch a recap video like the one I provided below (the video spoils the entire game).

https://youtu.be/PSeAKckdOm4

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LostForest
02/18/22 4:39:05 PM
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Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Case 3, but I just did not like Case 4 at all because of how much time they spent on establishing a "mystery" of the funhouse, when I assumed it was all just one big building the moment they showed there was more than one fruit house.

Plus the fact Monokuma was starving them there seemed kind of contrived, since the basis of both killing games was always "We'll provide you with everything you need, but encourage you to kill one another, heh-heh."

And yeah I know you're supposed to watch both the prequel and sequel arcs of DR3 after beating DR2, but I didn't feel like it lol.

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ellis123
02/18/22 4:45:56 PM
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Doe posted...
1) nah actually the OoC virus is cool
2) It foreshadows the fact that the world is virtual and completely in the control of Junko
1) No.
2) As mentioned previously: in an anime game being dramatic is more important than being logically sound. In the Disease's case it was neither. Having a character bit by the "lol, I'm a murderer" bug is just dumb, and having two characters killed in ways that don't even make sense is not just not air-tight logic it's just mediocre.

There is a reason I can just immediately go to Google and find it trivially when searching for the worst Danganronpa cases (though for obvious reasons, LostForest, you shouldn't continue to the link unless you want to be spoiled for V3): https://ricedigital.co.uk/our-top-5-worst-danganronpa-trials/

Similarly I can do something like searching on Reddit (or just go to the first Reddit post when I searched on Google ~.~) and find essentially the same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/74gld3/whats_your_favorite_and_least_favorite_cases_from/

LostForest posted...
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Case 3, but I just did not like Case 4 at all because of how much time they spent on establishing a "mystery" of the funhouse, when I assumed it was all just one big building the moment they showed there was more than one fruit house.

Plus the fact Monokuma was starving them there seemed kind of contrived, since the basis of both killing games was always "We'll provide you with everything you need, but encourage you to kill one another, heh-heh."

And yeah I know you're supposed to watch both the prequel and sequel arcs of DR3 after beating DR2, but I didn't feel like it lol.
I get you. That said the whole starving thing was kind of the "this is the encouragement to murder" thing as a point. While more extreme than the normal that was somewhat the point as it was trying to break up the group in a way that the other games didn't need to accomplish. It was sort of pointed out by having Chapter 3 be entirely based on the idea of the killing being out of the killer's hands as there was no good reason otherwise to get them to kill. In that way you can turn it back around into D2 just being kind of lazy and coming across like they figured out the setting and ending but not really having figured out the central "how it all happens."

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Doe
02/18/22 4:49:56 PM
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ellis123 posted...
There is a reason I can just immediately go to Google and find it trivially when searching for the worst Danganronpa cases (though for obvious reasons, LostForest, you shouldn't continue to the link unless you want to be spoiled for V3): https://ricedigital.co.uk/our-top-5-worst-danganronpa-trials/

Similarly I can do something like searching on Reddit (or just go to the first Reddit post when I searched on Google ~.~) and find essentially the same thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/danganronpa/comments/74gld3/whats_your_favorite_and_least_favorite_cases_from/
Sometimes it takes a brave soul to face the world and tell them the truth: they are wrong.

Also lol invoking reddit, may as well invert every opinion listed there

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LostForest
02/18/22 4:51:04 PM
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Yo can we talk about how great Nagito was? What a twisty motherfucker, he was really well done. Genuinely enjoyed how much they keep you guessing with him.

Like, I went from hating Case 5 because of how bullshitty it seems to have him want to kill you all, to thinking it was cool after being floored by the reveal he was trying to kill everyone for the good of mankind. That's a top notch plot twist for such a divisive character.

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Doe
02/18/22 4:52:13 PM
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Nagito is the soul of dr2

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ellis123
02/18/22 4:53:39 PM
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LostForest posted...
Yo can we talk about how great Nagito was? What a twisty motherfucker, he was really well done. Genuinely enjoyed how much they keep you guessing with him.

Like, I went from hating Case 5 because of how bullshitty it seems to have him want to kill you all, to thinking it was cool after being floored by the reveal he was trying to kill everyone for the good of mankind. That's a top notch plot twist for such a divisive character.
Ye, Nagito was sweet and made D2. Similarly Case 5 is kind of legendary for how well the twists were pulled off and how despite being foreshadowed pretty hard you don't really catch them before the points where the game points them out to you.

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PowerOats
02/18/22 4:57:59 PM
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D2 Trail 4 &5 was the best

It goes like

S tier:
D2 Trial 4
D2 Trial 5
DV3 Trial 5
DV3 Trial 1

A Tier:
D1 Trial 4
D2 Trial 1
D1 Trial 6
DV3 Trial 2
DV3 Trial 6 (YMMV)

B Tier:
D1 Trial 3
D1 Trial 5

C Tier:
D2 Trial 6
D2 Trial 2
D1 Trial 1
D1 Trial 2
DV3 Trial 3

D Tier:

DV3 Trial 4
DV3 Trial 3
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DamionDL
02/18/22 5:00:38 PM
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Nagito is the dividing factor of the game I've found. One of my groups is basically split down the middle between loving and hating him.

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Doe
02/18/22 5:01:28 PM
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If you hate nagito I don't know why you're playing these games.

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ellis123
02/18/22 5:02:45 PM
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PowerOats posted...
C Tier:
D2 Trial 6
D2 Trial 2
D1 Trial 1
D1 Trial 2
DV3 Trial 3

D Tier:

DV3 Trial 4
DV3 Trial 3
:|

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dotsdfe
02/18/22 5:25:52 PM
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LostForest posted...
I couldn't stand her. But having watched the prequel anime, I suspected she was gonna end up as a killer eventually anyway.


Er, I hate to say it, but that's...really not the best way to experience DR2. The anime is technically a prequel, but it spoils pretty major elements of the game and is meant to be watched after beating it to fill in the gaps left by the game. It was produced a decent bit after DR2 was released and was intended for people who already played the game, since there are several direct DR2 spoilers in it.

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LostForest
02/18/22 5:27:32 PM
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dotsdfe posted...
Er, I hate to say it, but that's...really not the best way to experience DR2. The anime is technically a prequel, but it spoils pretty major elements of the game and is meant to be watched after beating it to fill in the gaps left by the game. It was produced a decent bit after DR2 was released and was intended for people who already played the game, since there are several direct DR2 spoilers in it.


LostForest posted...
And yeah I know you're supposed to watch both the prequel and sequel arcs of DR3 after beating DR2, but I didn't feel like it lol.


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dotsdfe
02/18/22 5:28:09 PM
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Fair enough, I suppose. I just feel like it'd be a little jarring to know some of the major twists ahead of time.

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LostForest
02/18/22 5:44:08 PM
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TBH the only major twists I remembered from the prequel was that Hajime was a reserve student who got transformed, and how the class was the Remnants of Despair. Even then, Hajime being a reserve student wasn't that important to the plot, and the anime only briefly touched on them being the Remnants. It only vaguely hinted to them just kinda going out and fucking with people, but didn't really allude to the specifics.

Hajime as Izuku being the one who installed Junko's AI, the entire world being VR, and the characters from DR1 showing up as agents from the Future Foundation were all the biggest reveals for me and I didn't see 'em coming no matter what I remembered from the prequel.

Actually, FWIW Chiaki dying in the anime made her role in the game more interesting IMO cuz I was wondering for the entire story how they were gonna explain her coming back. If I had known she didn't really exist from playing the game, I probably would've seen her in the anime and been like "Oh, weird. So she's gonna end up dying, lol."

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LostForest
02/19/22 12:16:24 AM
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Bump

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BakonBitz
02/19/22 12:30:35 AM
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Yeah, DR2's ending was crazy to me. I absolutely loved seeing some of the surviving DR1 characters coming back. Also, when it was revealed that the class was the Remnants of Despair, it shocked me when it described what they each did to Junko's body. Sick and sadistic.

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LostForest
02/19/22 1:26:52 PM
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BakonBitz posted...
Yeah, DR2's ending was crazy to me. I absolutely loved seeing some of the surviving DR1 characters coming back. Also, when it was revealed that the class was the Remnants of Despair, it shocked me when it described what they each did to Junko's body. Sick and sadistic.

Yeahhh the writers of the series are seriously fucked up lol.

Seeing that image that hinted towards Ibuki starving herself to skin and bones was pretty horrifying too.

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BakonBitz
02/19/22 1:55:29 PM
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LostForest posted...
Yeahhh the writers of the series are seriously fucked up lol.

Seeing that image that hinted towards Ibuki starving herself to skin and bones was pretty horrifying too.
Honestly, after playing Ultra Despair Girls the writing is even more fucked up. First time I felt uncomfortable playing a game.

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LostForest
02/19/22 2:02:51 PM
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BakonBitz posted...
Honestly, after playing Ultra Despair Girls the writing is even more fucked up. First time I felt uncomfortable playing a game.

I haven't played it yet, but I did see the creator said in an interview that they want to bring it to Switch like the other games, but they aren't sure they could get away with it in the modern social climate lol.

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