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CrimsonWaffle
02/15/22 5:22:37 PM
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/husband-cinematographer-names-alec-baldwin-wrongful-death-suit-2022-02-15/

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MC_BatCommander
02/15/22 5:22:55 PM
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That's not really surprising

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AzNDarkSamurai
02/15/22 5:23:31 PM
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Im surprised this didnt happen sooner

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lilORANG
02/15/22 5:24:02 PM
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Well yeah, he killed a lady. Likely settle out of court since there isn't really a dispute as to what happened.

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Flauros
02/15/22 5:24:52 PM
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Yeah. He totally fucked up on the basics of gun safety and people got hurt and died because of it.

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R1masher
02/15/22 5:25:04 PM
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his defense is going to be based around the Splenda packet

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Kloe_Rinz
02/15/22 5:25:17 PM
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who?
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Cleo_II
02/15/22 5:26:25 PM
#9:


Flauros posted...
Yeah. He totally fucked up on the basics of gun safety and people got hurt and died because of it.
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Sczoyd
02/15/22 5:30:33 PM
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I don't see how the actor is supposed to be responsible for it when they have an armorer specifically to ensure gun safety, but we'll see where this goes...

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CrimsonWaffle
02/15/22 5:31:43 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
That's not really surprising
Yeah you're right. I wish this site had the ability to edit topic titles.


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LRodC
02/15/22 5:32:50 PM
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Sczoyd posted...
I don't see how the actor is supposed to be responsible for it when they have an armorer specifically to ensure gun safety, but we'll see where this goes...
He fired the gun.
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LRodC
02/15/22 5:34:41 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Why did he not do the responsible thing and check if the gun was loaded before he inexplicably pointed the gun at and shot the director? Those are rules number one and two of gun safety.
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Sczoyd
02/15/22 5:35:02 PM
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LRodC posted...
He fired the gun.

Yes...? Actors shoot guns in many many many movies.
They're not supposed to be handed guns loaded with live ammunition

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02/15/22 5:35:45 PM
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LRodC posted...
Why did he not do the responsible thing and check if the gun was loaded before he inexplicably pointed the gun at and shot the director? Those are rules number one and two of gun safety.

Why would you expect a gun to be loaded on set?

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 5:36:00 PM
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I would guess it's usually cheaper to use real guns with cheap blanks rather than to have a properly safe alternative that still looks realistic.

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 5:36:55 PM
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Why would you expect a gun to be loaded on set?
Every gun is always loaded, no matter what. That's the rule you should be following when handling guns 100% of the time. Baldwin was competely sure the gun wasn't loaded, and somebody died because he didn't check it.

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AlCalavicci
02/15/22 5:36:58 PM
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Sczoyd posted...
I don't see how the actor is supposed to be responsible for it when they have an armorer specifically to ensure gun safety, but we'll see where this goes...

Having no real understanding of what the expectation is in handling "gun props" on the set of a movie/tv show, I also don't really understand this. But that's based on my basic assumption that it should be someone's job (not the actor's) to ensure that the prop is not a working gun and cannot misfire or physically hurt someone.

I realize that there are all kinds of intricacies that I don't know about in a situation like this

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Number090684
02/15/22 5:37:14 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
That's not really surprising

This. Alec tried to deny having any responsibility for what happened but it still happened under his watch. If I were the husband and her family I'd sue too.
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Smackems
02/15/22 5:37:26 PM
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Sczoyd posted...
Yes...? Actors shoot guns in many many many movies.
They're not supposed to be handed guns loaded with live ammunition
And if they're using real guns they should check them...

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LRodC
02/15/22 5:37:27 PM
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Thats his job. If youre wielding a firearm of any kind, it is your responsibility to know how to use it.
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Kloe_Rinz
02/15/22 5:40:16 PM
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wait so this guys employer gave him a gun to film a scene or something and told him to shoot someone? the employer is absolutely the one most at fault.
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Punished_Blinx
02/15/22 5:42:33 PM
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AlCalavicci posted...
Having no real understanding of what the expectation is in handling "gun props" on the set of a movie/tv show, I also don't really understand this. But that's based on my basic assumption that it should be someone's job (not the actor's) to ensure that the prop is not a working gun and cannot misfire or physically hurt someone.

I realize that there are all kinds of intricacies that I don't know about in a situation like this

That's way too reasonable of a take for the internet.

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Smackems
02/15/22 5:44:09 PM
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Yeah you're supposed to assert you opinion no matter your level of knowledge on the matter

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SuperShake666
02/15/22 5:44:15 PM
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Armorers on film sets are the ones responsible for checking a gun is safe before it gets to the actors. That's their entire job, the actor is not in charge of that. It doesn't matter if that's not normal gun safety, but that's how it works for sets.

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Flauros
02/15/22 5:44:27 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

Wasn't he a producer on this movie? Seems like he should have taken some gun safety courses himself if he knew he was going to be using one

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EmbraceOfDeath
02/15/22 5:48:20 PM
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The ONLY reason he has any responsibility is because it's his production company. It's not his job to ensure gun safety on the set.

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Smackems
02/15/22 5:53:00 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
The ONLY reason he has any responsibility is because it's his production company. It's not his job to ensure gun safety on the set.
If he's handed a real gun then it's partially on him to make sure it's ok

It takes like fucking one second

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gatorsPENSbucs
02/15/22 5:53:32 PM
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Holy shit at some of these replies.

This person however knows what theyre talking about

EmbraceOfDeath posted...
The ONLY reason he has any responsibility is because it's his production company. It's not his job to ensure gun safety on the set.


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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 5:54:48 PM
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EmbraceOfDeath posted...
The ONLY reason he has any responsibility is because it's his production company. It's not his job to ensure gun safety on the set.
It's his job as a human being to check a gun that's in HIS hands before firing it in the direction of a person. The prop guy isn't the one pulling the trigger. There's only so much one can trust another human being to do, clearly.

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KeeperOfShadows
02/15/22 5:55:31 PM
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The lawsuit is against everyone that could be considered responsible, not just Baldwin. The article states there are around two dozen defendants.

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DirkDiggles
02/15/22 5:55:50 PM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
wait so this guys employer gave him a gun to film a scene or something and told him to shoot someone? the employer is absolutely the one most at fault.

He is the employer though. He was either the producer or the director.

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Kloe_Rinz
02/15/22 5:57:32 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's his job as a human being to check a gun that's in HIS hands before firing it in the direction of a person. The prop guy isn't the one pulling the trigger. There's only so much one can trust another human being to do, clearly.
In workplaces, theres such a thing as delegation of responsibility. It's not the actors responsibility to ensure the gun they were given is real or fake. They can't be expected to know. If the gun was real, it was the employers responsibility to give the actor the training required. If the actor wasn't told the gun was real, they can't be expected to know it was real.

DirkDiggles posted...
He is the employer though. He was either the producer or the director.
Oh. Yeah then the buck stops with him. But there was an armourer on set right? The armourer is the one who holds responsibility at the end of the day. There was no reason to have a real gun on set though and to that extent Alec is also responsible to a degree
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sktgamer_13dude
02/15/22 5:58:04 PM
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Sczoyd posted...
I don't see how the actor is supposed to be responsible for it when they have an armorer specifically to ensure gun safety, but we'll see where this goes...

Alex Baldwin the actor likely didnt fuck up.
Alex Baldwin, also a producer on the movie, as a producer, likely fucked up by cutting corners and using an inexperienced armorer.

Youre both right and wrong.

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DirkDiggles
02/15/22 5:59:31 PM
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I wonder if Arnold or Sly checked their guns before they fired them......

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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 6:00:24 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
I wonder if Arnold or Sly checked their guns before they fired them......
If they didn't, the got lucky nobody was hurt. Clearly in this case, Mr. Baldwin probably wishes he had checked it.

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Punished_Blinx
02/15/22 6:03:12 PM
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Rust had 11 producers according to IMBD. 6 of them outright credited as Producers,

Producer credit still doesn't really say how much responsibility Baldwin had over the production safety.

His production company will be paying out money over the lawsuit regardless though.

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BB mofo
02/15/22 6:05:51 PM
#43:


Sczoyd posted...
I don't see how the actor is supposed to be responsible for it when they have an armorer specifically to ensure gun safety, but we'll see where this goes...

IIRC Baldwin was a part owner of the production company, so he was partially responsible for the lax safety standards that caused the death. There were signs before the shooting that the set was dangerous. Employees had previously walked off the job over fears for their own safety. Baldwin could have thrown his weight as an owner at any time before hand to fix the problem.

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Why would you expect a gun to be loaded on set?

The armorer was a wreckless gun nut who liked to fire off live rounds at empty bottles on set during her lunch break. She would often have live rounds and blanks sitting on the same table. She was fired from her previous job and quietly blacklisted because of a mix up with live rounds that nearly killed someone.

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02/15/22 6:10:30 PM
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A huge part of the safety concerns were over Covid >_>

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SuperShake666
02/15/22 6:18:40 PM
#45:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
It's his job as a human being to check a gun that's in HIS hands before firing it in the direction of a person. The prop guy isn't the one pulling the trigger. There's only so much one can trust another human being to do, clearly.

SuperShake666 posted...
Armorers on film sets are the ones responsible for checking a gun is safe before it gets to the actors. That's their entire job, the actor is not in charge of that. It doesn't matter if that's not normal gun safety, but that's how it works for sets.


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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 6:19:26 PM
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SuperShake666 posted...
That's their entire job, the actor is not in charge of that. It doesn't matter if that's not normal gun safety, but that's how it works for sets.
Still bears some responsibility for pulling the trigger.

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Kloe_Rinz
02/15/22 6:19:52 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Still bears some responsibility for pulling the trigger.
No they don't. Unless they were told it was a real gun with live ammo.
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Gobstoppers12
02/15/22 6:20:26 PM
#48:


Kloe_Rinz posted...
No they don't.
The courts will decide, I guess. It's situational.

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SauI_Goodman
02/15/22 6:24:49 PM
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LRodC posted...
He fired the gun.

LRodC posted...
Why did he not do the responsible thing and check if the gun was loaded before he inexplicably pointed the gun at and shot the director? Those are rules number one and two of gun safety.
Isnt that the prop directors job

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PoundGarden
02/15/22 6:25:40 PM
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LRodC posted...
He fired the gun.

Oh OK.

So if an actor gets into a car that has been deemed safe by whoever tf handles that and the throttle gets stuck and that actor creams someone, that actor is 100% at fault. Not the safety team or the director, the actor.

Fantastic precedent to set. Someone is at fault here, but it's not Alec.

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ZMythos
02/15/22 6:28:44 PM
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tbh I think this is just Trump chuds trying to feel good about the "bad SNL man" getting punished for something.

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