Current Events > The AOT manga ending sucks and I hope they change it in the anime (spoilers)

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The Zeke and eren conflicting morals was great. Eren was built up the entire show to go on a blood thirsty revenge rampage.

but nah, they had to back pedal all of that to give eren some stupid future site so he was really doing it because of destiny and he knew mikasa was gonna stop him

thats some bullshit. That ruins his whole development.

its like they wanted to make him go full evil but they were scared to do it.

i was hoping eren would succeed

I really enjoyed the direction they took the story. Felt a little rushed but overall it was good enough to have me thinking about it for a long while after I finished it

Gwynevere posted...

I really enjoyed the direction they took the story. Felt a little rushed but overall it was good enough to have me thinking about it for a long while after I finished it

nah

I think "even though Falco inherits the Jaw Titan, since he drank Zeke's spinal fluid first, his Jaw Titan is a bird cuz Zeke is the Beast Titan" is one of the biggest asspulls ever.

"Thanks for only killing 80% of humanity"

It would have been much better had Eren just stuck to his convictions all the way through. His final "it's your freedom to try to stop me" or whatever speech was a great endcap to his character, but instead it was all a ruse and he was actually just being driven insane by his 4th dimensional viewpoint. The final arc was pretty meh overall, but it would have been much better without that backpedaling. It's not like he was wrong in the idea that it was an "us or them" situation. One side would have been eradicated at the end of it regardless.

Nemu posted...

It would have been much better had Eren just stuck to his convictions all the way through. His final "it's your freedom to try to stop me" or whatever speech was a great endcap to his character, but instead it was all a ruse and he was actually just being driven insane by his 4th dimensional viewpoint. The final arc was pretty meh overall, but it would have been much better without that backpedaling. It's not like he was wrong in the idea that it was an "us or them" situation. One side would have been eradicated at the end of it regardless.

Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense to show his fury at Frieda's first king of the walls ideology if his game plan is to probably die without finishing the job. When Eren hears Frieda say that the Eldians deserve to be wiped out for what their ancestors did, Eren looks fucking pissed to his core. Shame it was pretty much an act.

Feels like Isayama got cold feet about completing the Rumbling.

I hope you read the extended ending....

I loved the extended ending.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/2/2/7/AAcZIZAACyRz.jpg

Can someone give me a summary of why the ending is bad for someone who hasn't watched the series?

Squall28 posted...

Can someone give me a summary of why the ending is bad for someone who hasn't watched the series?

The main character's entire drive for the entire story has been about pushing forward towards freedom, violently if necessary. Throughout the story, there are explicit themes that in a cruel world, difficult inhuman choices need to be made for the greater good. The characters in the story belong to an oppressed race of people feared and hated throughout the entire world due to their ability to be transformed into giant mindless killing machines called Titans. Pretty much everyone in the world wants them wiped out because of a mixture of fear and vengeance for two thousand years of oppression carried out by the Titans.

At the climax of the story, the main character achieves godlike power over all of the people of his race. He gains control over millions of 150 foot tall monsters with the alleged intent of crushing every square foot of land outside his peoples' home island, exterminating all life on the planet except for his home.

His friends fight against him because genocide bad. In the end it is revealed that the main character intended for his friends to stop him after he exterminates 80% of the human population. He wants the remaining 20% to look at his friends as heroes who were willing to kill their own countrymen to save the outside world. In doing so he sets up the story by using his timey wimey powers to control things in the past to set up his mother to be killed, triggering the events of the story. He also has his adoptive sister who is obsessively protective kill him in order to show the little girl progenitor of their race that love isn't slavery and free her from her 2000 years of turning her people into Titans. Also she kisses his decapitated head after she kills him.

Finally it is revealed that the MC cries like a bitch over how he doesn't want to die and how he doesn't want his sister waifu to find another man for at least ten years past his death which is pointed out in the manga to be pathetic.

The main character dies and the defense and diplomacy of their home is left to his remaining friends. They live their lives and time goes on.

Once people were sufficiently pissed about the ending, extra pages came out: The world then does not forgive the island, and a few generations later the island is bombed into dust. A young boy finds a similar tree to the one that created the Titan curse to begin with. END.

yup.

im telling you the DESTINY TROPE ALWAYS RUINS GOOD STORIES. Ruined GOT, ruined AOT.

Screw destiny
accept chaos.

chaos is good, chaos is unpredictable, and it makes the plot alive and authentic.

with destiny the plot is on rails basicalky

I am so glad I never got into this show

Tyranthraxus posted...

I am so glad I never got into this show

It's really really good and has some hype as fuck moments. Particularly right where the anime is releasing right now.

It just fails to stick the landing.

ThePrinceFish posted...

The main character's entire drive for the entire story has been about pushing forward towards freedom, violently if necessary. Throughout the story, there are explicit themes that in a cruel world, difficult inhuman choices need to be made for the greater good. The characters in the story belong to an oppressed race of people feared and hated throughout the entire world due to their ability to be transformed into giant mindless killing machines called Titans. Pretty much everyone in the world wants them wiped out because of a mixture of fear and vengeance for two thousand years of oppression carried out by the Titans.

At the climax of the story, the main character achieves godlike power over all of the people of his race. He gains control over millions of 150 foot tall monsters with the alleged intent of crushing every square foot of land outside his peoples' home island, exterminating all life on the planet except for his home.

His friends fight against him because genocide bad. In the end it is revealed that the main character intended for his friends to stop him after he exterminates 80% of the human population. He wants the remaining 20% to look at his friends as heroes who were willing to kill their own countrymen to save the outside world. In doing so he sets up the story by using his timey wimey powers to control things in the past to set up his mother to be killed, triggering the events of the story. He also has his adoptive sister who is obsessively protective kill him in order to show the little girl progenitor of their race that love isn't slavery and free her from her 2000 years of turning her people into Titans. Also she kisses his decapitated head after she kills him.

Finally it is revealed that the MC cries like a bitch over how he doesn't want to die and how he doesn't want his sister waifu to find another man for at least ten years past his death which is pointed out in the manga to be pathetic.

The main character dies and the defense and diplomacy of their home is left to his remaining friends. They live their lives and time goes on.

Once people were sufficiently pissed about the ending, extra pages came out: The world then does not forgive the island, and a few generations later the island is bombed into dust. A young boy finds a similar tree to the one that created the Titan curse to begin with. END.

Thanks for that. One more question because I did watch the first ep at some point. I thought the Titans were just eating the humans. How are they the oppressed ones?

He did it all for the nookie.

Yeah I'd have the ol "Why did I dedicate my time toward this?" feeling if I'd been on board for the best part of a decade waiting for that. Unfortunate.

Squall28 posted...

Thanks for that. One more question because I did watch the first ep at some point. I thought the Titans were just eating the humans. How are they the oppressed ones?

The Titans are mysterious for two seasons before it's revealed that they are transformed humans. At the end of the third season it's revealed that there are even humans outside of the walls at all, until that point it is ambiguous that the people living inside the walls are perhaps the last people on a Titan infested planet.

It is instead revealed that the outside world consists of a world much like ours that has recently recovered from 2000 years of torment by the Eldian empire. The final king of the Eldian empire felt sympathy for the outsiders and decided that his people do not deserve to live anymore, but he does not personally want to die. So he takes as many of his people as possible and confines them to the walls, altering their memories and (falsely, he's bluffing since he's a pacifist) promising the outside world that if they are attacked, he will turn the walls into Titans and exterminate the world (like the protagonist planned).

The Eldians left outside of the walls are enslaved and kept in ghettos by the people who they used to rule over. The mindless Titans that attack the walls in the early seasons are created from political dissidents from the ghettos who are Eldians. It serves as an execution and a means to subtly attack the Eldians living inside the walls.

As an example, the main character psychotically hates Titans for eating his mother when he was a child. Once the reveal that Titans are Eldians is made, he instead feels sympathy for the mindless Titans as "fellow Patriots".

AoT to me seems like the epitome of a show/manga that just got worse and worse the more they unraveled.

That was kinda stupid I agree, but it makes sense since Eren has always been a little crybaby, he was just pretending to be awesome for a bit. He was more Obito Uchiha than Lelouch Lamperouge.

ThePrinceFish posted...

The Titans are mysterious for two seasons before it's revealed that they are transformed humans. At the end of the third season it's revealed that there are even humans outside of the walls at all, until that point it is ambiguous that the people living inside the walls are perhaps the last people on a Titan infested planet.

It is instead revealed that the outside world consists of a world much like ours that has recently recovered from 2000 years of torment by the Eldian empire. The final king of the Eldian empire felt sympathy for the outsiders and decided that his people do not deserve to live anymore, but he does not personally want to die. So he takes as many of his people as possible and confines them to the walls, altering their memories and (falsely, he's bluffing since he's a pacifist) promising the outside world that if they are attacked, he will turn the walls into Titans and exterminate the world (like the protagonist planned).

The Eldians left outside of the walls are enslaved and kept in ghettos by the people who they used to rule over. The mindless Titans that attack the walls in the early seasons are created from political dissidents from the ghettos who are Eldians. It serves as an execution and a means to subtly attack the Eldians living inside the walls.

As an example, the main character psychotically hates Titans for eating his mother when he was a child. Once the reveal that Titans are Eldians is made, he instead feels sympathy for the mindless Titans as "fellow Patriots".

Yeah that twist doesn't sound like a good time. Glad I didn't commit time to this series

Tyranthraxus posted...

I am so glad I never got into this show

You really should

Hell this ending doesn't even sound that stupid tbh. Just nerd rage