Current Events > So what's up with KyoryuCyan getting purged for antisemitism/inciting genocide?

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...which imo should have been a ban, while Vegy did get banned for whatever he did?

Don't get me wrong, I think Vegy's gimmick is annoying and he's a pretty annoying user. He's posted some real creep shit. If he finally posted the last straw, that's fine.

But when another user calls a religious minority "it", calls them a disgrace to his species and says that several people of that religious minority he's met deserved multiple levels of genocide against them, and merely gets purged? I don't think the punishment is level.

You could argue that Vegy has been moderated more and that his ban is the logical conclusion of his total record of moderations, but despite his creep shit, I haven't seen him posting anything to the degree of inviting genocide against Jewish people. Kyoryu's post was targeted bigotry, and I don't think it's unfair to argue that the post was made to be as inflammatory as possible to get the biggest possible reaction - and yeah, I guess me making this topic plays into his trolling.

You can't tell me that his history of posting hasn't been inflammatory up to this point. Dude is a troll, and I get that some trolls slip through the cracks because shitposting and getting into arguments are engrained into CE's nature, but if we're arguing the context of this user's other posts, he probably shouldn't get a pass for those either.

I shit-talk users in their suspension threads, sure. I laugh when someone fucks up. I'm not above it all, and I'm not above watching someone get upset and melt down after being trolled. Still, I think KyoryuCyan's post crossed a line, and if nothing else I'd like to hear from the horse's mouth about why this particular action was taken. I think he should have been banned, but I'm open-minded enough to accept some sort of explanation that led to this result.

Seriously, anything. I'll take breadcrumbs at this point. I just want to understand what the thought process was.

@SBAllen

Like I said in the other topic. It's because Kyoryu doesn't use AdBlock.

how long of a purg did he get

No, now you'll get suspended and I like you :(

The ancient doctrine of Quia Ego Sic Dico.

I go through hundreds and hundreds of suspensions a week. There's going to be an occasion every now and then where I pick a punishment people don't agree with. That's fine and understandable, but as of this point I haven't heard from a single moderator who thinks I should make a different call. The court of public opinion seems to think so, and that's fair I suppose. I'm not against reverting the decision of a purg and making it a ban, but I usually don't do that unless a lead approaches me about it.

As for Vegy, he has multiple accounts, knew exactly what he was doing, and therefore lost a few alts. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

SBAllen posted...

but as of this point I haven't heard from a single moderator who thinks I should make a different call.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79879736/962281874
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79879736/962282069

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SBAllen posted...

I go through hundreds and hundreds of suspensions a week. There's going to be an occasion every now and then where I pick a punishment people don't agree with. That's fine and understandable, but as of this point I haven't heard from a single moderator who thinks I should make a different call. The court of public opinion seems to think so, and that's fair I suppose. I'm not against reverting the decision of a purg and making it a ban, but I usually don't do that unless a lead approaches me about it.

As for Vegy, he has multiple accounts, knew exactly what he was doing, and therefore lost a few alts. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

Several moderators in the other topic discussing this said it should've been a ban though.

SBAllen posted...

As for Vegy, he has multiple accounts, knew exactly what he was doing, and therefore lost a few alts.

should make it a few more. the mods really need to shut down his objectification of women.

The moderation staff has a direct line to me. I'm not talking about them posting something in a topic because I can't and don't read every post in every topic.

SBAllen posted...

I go through hundreds and hundreds of suspensions a week. There's going to be an occasion every now and then where I pick a punishment people don't agree with. That's fine and understandable, but as of this point I haven't heard from a single moderator who thinks I should make a different call. The court of public opinion seems to think so, and that's fair I suppose. I'm not against reverting the decision of a purg and making it a ban, but I usually don't do that unless a lead approaches me about it.

As for Vegy, he has multiple accounts, knew exactly what he was doing, and therefore lost a few alts. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

It should've been a ban, end of story.

Is there no communication between you and the mods? Several times they've disagreed with your decision but not challenged you about it.

Now that we have a mod in here how come all the Far Left Anti Semetic extremists on the Politics board dont get suspended or banned?

SBAllen posted...

knew exactly what he was doing

That's what I've been saying

Why not correct the mistake or explain why being happy the holocaust happened isnt a ban? Literally 3 mods disagreed with you, you get told that and then moved the goalposts. @SBAllen

What exactly did vegy do? I missed it.

SBAllen posted...

I go through hundreds and hundreds of suspensions a week. There's going to be an occasion every now and then where I pick a punishment people don't agree with. That's fine and understandable, but as of this point I haven't heard from a single moderator who thinks I should make a different call. The court of public opinion seems to think so, and that's fair I suppose. I'm not against reverting the decision of a purg and making it a ban, but I usually don't do that unless a lead approaches me about it.

As for Vegy, he has multiple accounts, knew exactly what he was doing, and therefore lost a few alts. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

@Error1355

catboy2 posted...

What exactly did vegy do? I missed it.

Im guessing his constant lewd topics and "dis dat dem" posting.

BlackBlueButts posted...

Is there no communication between you and the mods? Several times they've disagreed with your decision but not challenged you about it.

As stated, we have a means of direct communication. I don't even see this user being discussed at all there.

spikethedevil posted...

Why not correct the mistake or explain why being happy the holocaust happened isnt a ban? Literally 3 mods disagreed with you, you get told that and then moved the goalposts. @SBAllen

If I banned every user who posted something I don't agree with, we wouldn't have any users at all. I picked the punishment based on history and other factors. Again, I'm happy to change it to a ban and at this point I probably will, but it's just unusual that several moderators would openly question the decision without actually asking me about it.

SBAllen posted...

at this point I probably will,

you fold now and the bullies win

TBF yeah that is odd. There is disagreeing with someones opinion then their is being glad the holocaust fucking happened and only getting a time out. How can you not see that is a bit beyond normal shit posting or disagreeing with something someone said?

Lol @ this nonsense

He literally said he didn't find it banworthy to post anti-Semitism and genocidist rhetoric. He said it. It's right there

Just went to read the post, and, please, try not to give me too much flak for this:

He was describing a single, specific person he really didn't like, rather than going on a rant against Jews or any particular party. He did so using what might be the worst description possible in the English language.

That's probably a factor.

Oh, wait, I responded real late after opening this topic. Clearly, I'm wrong.

lmfao, shit like this makes me believe more and more that the mod staff has a soft spot for racists/transphobes/general far right beliefs.

this is fucking embarrassing on allens part. That dude should have been launched into the fucking sun with what he posted, and instead Allen gives him a fucking purg for legitimate anti-semetic hate speech.

Remember guys, calling someone like this out will get you moderated and probably banned though, which is a joke.

the entire staff and mod system needs to be burnt to the ground and rebuilt, from the top down. But it will never happen and this site and the message boards will continue to die.

Guide posted...

Just went to read the post, and, please, try not to give me too much flak for this:

He was describing a single, specific person he really didn't like, rather than going on a rant against Jews or any particular party. He did so using what might be the worst description possible in the English language.

That's probably a factor.

It shouldnt be a factor once that description was used.

lol, needing a lead mod to tell you that shit is banworthy

Banned now. Better late than never I guess.

ColdOne666 posted...

Far Left Anti Semetic extremists

the fuck are you on about

spikethedevil posted...

It shouldnt be a factor once that description was used.

It's the kind of hting that changes it from "holy fucking shit that's definitely a ban" to "yeahh that's a ban". Not from "that's a ban" to "that's a non-ban".

AldousIsDead posted...

Banned now. Better late than never I guess.

Better late than never I guess.

Better nate than lever I guess.

At any rate, the decision is changed at this point. I'll again remind you that I'm going thorough several hundred suspension decisions a week (in addition to process all of the UGC and handling all of the internal work that goes into running a site this large) and there's no way I can get them all right. I'm a human and I'm going to mess up, and after rereading this post again I do realize it probably should've gone right to a ban. That's why I rely on my team and even you all to keep me honest on it. Next time, instead of just accusing me of being a shitty person, just bring it to my attention instead. The mods have 24/7 access to me and users can use feedback tickets. Talking shit on CE where I'm rarely going to see it, even with mentions isn't going to get a resolution.

We did it reddit

You were pinged like 4 times in that thread alone.

And look, I get it. Work. But don't try to pass the buck.

Edit: Ok, feedback tickets. Noted. I didn't read carefully enough.

Well done, Allen.

Okay, I'mma say it:

What we need, in order to achieve what SBAllen is suggesting here, is kind of like a Hellhole but official.

So did the mods goof here?

SBAllen posted...

At any rate, the decision is changed at this point. I'll again remind you that I'm going thorough several hundred suspension decisions a week (in addition to process all of the UGC and handling all of the internal work that goes into running a site this large) and there's no way I can get them all right. I'm a human and I'm going to mess up, and after rereading this post again I do realize it probably should've gone right to a ban. That's why I rely on my team and even you all to keep me honest on it. Next time, instead of just accusing me of being a shitty person, just bring it to my attention instead. The mods have 24/7 access to me and users can use feedback tickets. Talking shit on CE where I'm rarely going to see it, even with mentions isn't going to get a resolution.

Ah cool I will fully admit I didnt know about general feedback tickets only ones for site errors and bad ads and such.

Guide posted...

So did the mods goof here?

Yeah somewhat by not going to Allen directly themselves.

Blatant damage control like bro. He just keeps saying the mods shoulda told him

maybe read the post and scrape a couple brain cells together bro

Well glad to see you change your mind at least, and good to know about being able to use feedback tickets like that in the future.

Something I dont agree with lmao yeah thats one way to very lightly put it

SBAllen posted...

At any rate, the decision is changed at this point. I'll again remind you that I'm going thorough several hundred suspension decisions a week (in addition to process all of the UGC and handling all of the internal work that goes into running a site this large) and there's no way I can get them all right. I'm a human and I'm going to mess up, and after rereading this post again I do realize it probably should've gone right to a ban. That's why I rely on my team and even you all to keep me honest on it. Next time, instead of just accusing me of being a shitty person, just bring it to my attention instead. The mods have 24/7 access to me and users can use feedback tickets. Talking shit on CE where I'm rarely going to see it, even with mentions isn't going to get a resolution.

Cuck

Found the alt.

spikethedevil posted...

Found the alt.

Nah. Calling him a cuck because of the piss poor damage control on this. The post should have been a user map axe, there's literally no way to read Kyo's post and think only a purg. It's well established the mod system on this site is pathetic and the fact it took this level of calling out Allen to get it fixed. T

OVERGOATED posted...

You made the right choice in the end Allen, like one of dem animes. Thank you.

tf is with these posts

Notice how Allen jumped from I intentionally picked this punishment based on history and other factors, I know that you guys might disagree with it to omg guys Im so overwhelmed, I cant possibly get it right all the time, I didnt know what I was doing!

Really playing both sides of the fence here