Current Events > McMichaels secure plea deal on hate crime charges in murder of Ahmaud Arbery

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HslVX0zyRGE

Isn't it a little late for plea deals?

Courts should not be allowed to make deals like this in murder cases, unless granted permission by the family of the victim

I mean I get why the family would be upset. But weren't they sentenced to life in prison with no parole? I get that a hate crime trial might make the Arbery family feel better but practically it won't actually do anything, would it? They can't get more life in prison. Unless it's one of those things where life means 25 years minimum and not actually life.

I don't know. It would end up being a symbolic trial and i'm not a fan of that. But the dudes are total pieces of shit.

Backroom deals are always shifty when they don't even try and ask the victims family for input

They must REALLY not want their racist text messages to come to light

Hopefully the judge rejects the plea deal, but I have no idea if that's likely

gunplagirl posted...

Backroom deals are always shifty when they don't even try and ask the victims family for input

Like nearly everything with our modern police, what started as a good idea meant to help everyone was given no oversight and so now has been corrupted beyond redemption

why have another long drawn out case when they're already going to rot in prison for the rest of their lives? federal court just did this to clear up time slots for cases that actually matter, let these fuckers get forgotten in jail.

Didn't all three of them get life in prison for the murder? Makes sense to offer a plea for any other charges I guess, saves time and money

The video says the plea deal gives them the ability to choose whether to serve their sentence in federal or state detention facilities.

That's horseshit.

Did no one itt watch the video? It explains in plain english why Arbery's family is upset by this deal.

ya. thats shitty to ignore family wishes...

TheOtherMike posted...

Did no one itt watch the video? It explains in plain english why Arbery's family is upset by this deal.

The details of the deal aren't known yet though, I don't see how they would even know the terms

MC_BatCommander posted...

The details of the deal aren't known yet though, I don't see how they would even know the terms

pretty easy to guess that they want nothing to do with a state level prison...

MC_BatCommander posted...

The details of the deal aren't known yet though, I don't see how they would even know the terms

Gregory and Travis McMichaels have signed plea deals with the DOJ to allow the men - serving Life Without the Possibility of Parole in GA state prison - to transfer to preferred Federal Custody. This back room deal represents a betrayal to the Arbery family who is devastated.

So returning to my original question...

TheOtherMike posted...

So returning to my original question...

Literally every news story I can find on this deal specifies the details of the plea have not been released. That quote is from Lee Merritt who has no involvement at all with Arbery's murderers so idk how he would know the details of a plea he had no involvement in before the details are made public.

Disgusting

BuckVanHammer posted...

ya. thats shitty to ignore family wishes...

No, its not. Families of victims should have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Tenlaar posted...

No, its not. Families of victims should have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

go on...

BuckVanHammer posted...

go on...

Go on with what? Thats it. The feeling or opinions of the families of victims should have nothing to do with legal proceedings.

Tenlaar posted...

Go on with what? Thats it. The feeling or opinions of the families of victims should have nothing to do with legal proceedings.

"fart"

Tenlaar posted...

Go on with what? Thats it. The feeling or opinions of the families of victims should have nothing to do with legal proceedings.

just a weird stance is all...

it's a pretty common thing to listen to the victims opinion on these kinds of cases.

BuckVanHammer posted...

just a weird stance is all...

it's a pretty common thing to listen to the victims opinion on these kinds of cases.

Not a weird stance and it shouldnt be.

Tenlaar posted...

No, its not. Families of victims should have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Tag checks out

Tenlaar posted...

Not a weird stance and it shouldnt be.

The victim's family's opinions are commonly considered.

https://news.yahoo.com/plea-deal-hate-crime-case-131704551.html

A federal judge has rejected the deal. Trial will move forward

CableZL posted...

The victim's family's opinions are commonly considered.

Did you miss the world shouldnt in my post?

Tenlaar posted...

Did you miss the world shouldnt in my post?

You said it isn't a weird stance. It is, since that's what is commonly done. Do you think victim impact statements are done in trials for no reason?

They have life without parole and in Georgia, that means life without parole.

The only way they are ever getting out is through appeal/pardon or outright escaping. A plea deal for Federal hate crime charges cuts off the appeal route because they're still pleading to something with Federal prison time. A trial could end up being not guilty and if they win the state appeal, they walk.

The benefit to them here is that both spend 30 years in Federal prison, which is much nicer than state prison and they wouldn't have to be in protective custody or solitary like in state. The father dies in Federal and the son is moved to state after 30 years.

By going to trial now, they're not only wasting millions for nothing, they've opened up the door to possibly get out. Stupid move.

InfinityMonster posted...

They have life without parole and in Georgia, that means life without parole.

The only way they are ever getting out is through appeal/pardon or outright escaping. A plea deal for Federal hate crime charges cuts off the appeal route because they're still pleading to something with Federal prison time. A trial could end up being not guilty and if they win the state appeal, they walk.

The benefit to them here is that both spend 30 years in Federal prison, which is much nicer than state prison and they wouldn't have to be in protective custody or solitary like in state. The father dies in Federal and the son is moved to state after 30 years.

By going to trial now, they're not only wasting millions for nothing, they've opened up the door to possibly get out. Stupid move.

While what you're saying is true, it's not likely to happen. That's what they weigh when deciding to accept or not accept deals like this. The case against them is very strong so there is no need to make a deal on the off chance they get found not guilty.

lolife67 posted...

While what you're saying is true, it's not likely to happen. That's what they weigh when deciding to accept or not accept deals like this. The case against them is very strong so there is no need to make a deal on the off chance they get found not guilty.

Prosecutions don't really offer pleas because they think their chances are good or bad. They offer it to save money and get it over with and to move on to the next case. Almost everybody gets offered a plea at first.

The defendants would be motivated by chances way more. Meaning if they took it, they expect to lose in the actual trial.

This is a pretty bold deal to begin with. They're basically pleading guilty to the actual charges from what I've gathered, instead of something much lower. The state to Federal prison change being the only condition. So it's a guaranteed conviction.

Compared to the costs and chances of getting off. I mean, it serves no purpose here to go through that when you basically got them twice over.