Current Events > Am I just out of touch? Sexual assault in VR.

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IdiotMachine
01/24/22 7:51:35 PM
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People complaining that people are touching others inappropriately in VR, and that VR assault is akin to real sexual assault:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/16/1042516/the-metaverse-has-a-groping-problem/

And how there's a safe zone now that will prevent virtual avatars from getting close to you if you feel threatened.

........am I just really out of touch thinking this is ridiculous?

Is this an inadvertent "inb4b7"...?

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HairyQueen
01/24/22 7:53:09 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
am I just really out of touch
Yes

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Turbam
01/24/22 7:53:18 PM
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"There I was, being virtually groped in a snowy fortress with my brother-in-law and husband watching.

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IdiotMachine
01/24/22 7:53:35 PM
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Doesn't this just trivialize the fuck out of real sexual assault?

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Punished_Blinx
01/24/22 7:53:38 PM
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I don't think it's comparable on the same level but yeah I definitely think adding safe zones to stop players from griefing you like that is needed.

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Kakapo
01/24/22 7:53:40 PM
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Pls stop Ralph

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Chosen1987
01/24/22 7:53:42 PM
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No you arent out of touch. People just love to complain
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Fam_Fam
01/24/22 7:53:44 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
People complaining that people are touching others inappropriately in VR, and that VR assault is akin to real sexual assault:
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/12/16/1042516/the-metaverse-has-a-groping-problem/

And how there's a safe zone now that will prevent virtual avatars from getting close to you if you feel threatened.

........am I just really out of touch thinking this is ridiculous?

Is this an inadvertent "inb4b7"...?

I'd probably say its more easy to see how sexual harassment is possible, assault less so
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eston
01/24/22 7:55:15 PM
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The entire goal of VR is to make it feel as real as possible, even if the things it depicts don't look realistic at all it still strives to make you feel like you're there, and unfortunately people can't choose what triggers them. I could see it being uncomfortable for someone who has been sexually assaulted in real life, and it being a video game means other people aren't going to respect boundaries. Good on the devs who are picking up on this early on

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SergeantGander
01/24/22 7:56:30 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Doesn't this just trivialize the **** out of real sexual assault?

Yea...that was my thinking. To call it "sexual assault", seems crazy.

Call it griefing or trolling and add parameters to prevent it, but can't imagine calling it SA


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Fam_Fam
01/24/22 7:57:18 PM
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SergeantGander posted...
Yea...that was my thinking. To call it "sexual assault", seems crazy.

Call it griefing or trolling and add parameters to prevent it, but can't imagine calling it SA

question 1: is it assault?
question 2: is it sexual in nature?
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joe40001
01/24/22 7:57:39 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Doesn't this just trivialize the fuck out of real sexual assault?

Yes

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HairyQueen
01/24/22 7:58:04 PM
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It's not equated this with sexual assault in the article TC posted. It's equated with sexual harassment, which it is.

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joe40001
01/24/22 8:00:14 PM
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So if I play Call of Duty VR against other people do I get to claim they committed attempted murder?

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brotrrwinner
01/24/22 8:00:54 PM
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The only thing out of touch is mankind's collective sanity

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josifrees
01/24/22 8:01:02 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Doesn't this just trivialize the fuck out of real sexual assault?

it only trivializes it if you think that virtual sexual assault is meaningless.

frankly it doesnt matter what anyones opinion is on the topic of the severity of virtual sexual assault, all that matters is that people have the right to be feel uncomfortable and if they find something uncomfortable the right to say it

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DrizztLink
01/24/22 8:01:49 PM
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HairyQueen posted...
It's not equated this with sexual assault in the article TC posted. It's equated with sexual harassment, which it is.
So the issue at hand is TC playing clickbait?

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Anteaterking
01/24/22 8:02:37 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
Doesn't this just trivialize the fuck out of real sexual assault?

I mean does groping and rape both being called sexual assault trivialize rape?

I don't think people are claiming this is the same severity but as eston said, you're talking about an experience that is trying to make you feel like you're an interactive participant. There are certainly elements of it that can feel like assault even if you aren't physically feeling anything.

It's not like calling it sexual assault means that we have to start throwing people in prison for 20 years for it.

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HairyQueen
01/24/22 8:05:05 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
So the issue at hand is TC playing clickbait?
@IdiotMachine 's mischaracterization of the article with their title and OP is the problem here, yes.

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ModLogic
01/24/22 8:05:37 PM
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IdiotMachine posted...
virtual avatars from getting close to you if you feel threatened.
reminds me of this one person in guild wars. if you stand on top of their character in a town, they will get so triggered that they will report you.
if you happen to load slow and appear on her charatcer while your game is still loading on your screen, gg. lmfao.

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Dingydang166
01/24/22 8:11:27 PM
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Jesus christ that article and the replies in this topic make me weep. People are just LOOKING for something to be offended about. They just fucking wake up, say "what dumb shit can I find to get upset about today" and flare their nostrils as they begin the hunt for some stupid shit once more.
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DrizztLink
01/24/22 8:12:01 PM
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Dingydang166 posted...
Jesus christ that article and the replies in this topic make me weep. People are just LOOKING for something to be offended about. They just fucking wake up, say "what dumb shit can I find to get upset about today" and flare their nostrils as they begin the hunt for some stupid shit once more.
Define "irony."

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Anteaterking
01/24/22 8:12:32 PM
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Obviously there are slight differences state to state, but "assault" doesn't carry a requirement of any physical harm.

Also in particular sexual assault does not require it. For example using non-physical coercion to force someone to expose themselves to you would be sexual assault.

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joe40001
01/24/22 8:22:33 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
I mean does groping and rape both being called sexual assault trivialize rape?

No because we have different words for them, and usually use the more severe word to describe the action.

The issue is that the term "sexual assault" caries very heavy negative connotation, and if you attach it to VR shit you deflate that.

If 2 things are very different levels of bad/evil/severe we should have different terms for them.

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Axiom
01/24/22 8:24:15 PM
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Probably. You also need to learn the difference between sexual assault and harassment
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joe40001
01/24/22 8:24:46 PM
#28:


josifrees posted...
it only trivializes it if you think that virtual sexual assault is meaningless.

frankly it doesnt matter what anyones opinion is on the topic of the severity of virtual sexual assault, all that matters is that people have the right to be feel uncomfortable and if they find something uncomfortable the right to say it

Had they said "it made me feel uncomfortable" nobody would object. Nobody is objecting to somebody's right to acknowledge their discomfort, just them appropriating a term reserved for more severe/immoral actions.

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IdiotMachine
01/24/22 8:30:18 PM
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Sorry I got assault and harassment mixed up, I was focused on this viral post that made me start reading into this some more:
https://v.redd.it/t9mhtrhohnd81

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MrResetti
01/24/22 8:36:18 PM
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Are accusations/reports being handled seriously and timely? Do those being harmed feel that they're safe coming forward and their claims will be handled justly without a chance of recourse from other parties? Are the powers-that-be going to be completely overwhelmed with cases because it's so pervasive that they can't handle all the claims and give up? It's 8:34, do you know where your children are?

If a repeat offender's ISP isn't contacted then it's not going to stop.

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joe40001
01/24/22 8:41:26 PM
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There is nothing wrong with my post, and you dogging every single post of mine for no reason is getting old.

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DarkChozoGhost
01/24/22 8:42:54 PM
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Virtual sexual assault is real sexual harassments, yes. It's wrong and the people brushing this off are bad people.

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DrizztLink
01/24/22 8:50:16 PM
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Fucking THANK YOU

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AngelicRadiance
01/24/22 8:51:16 PM
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Which joe?

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Ps2Twilight
01/24/22 8:52:01 PM
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Guess that IQ didn't help him here.

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Will_VIIII
01/24/22 9:05:01 PM
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Ps2Twilight posted...
Guess that IQ didn't help him here.


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TMOG
01/24/22 9:06:40 PM
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The new suspension is appreciated and deserved, but let's be honest. Joe won't be "taken care of" until he's no longer able to post on this site period.
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Will_VIIII
01/24/22 9:06:53 PM
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TMOG posted...
The new suspension is appreciated and deserved, but let's be honest. Joe won't be "taken care of" until he's no longer able to post on this site period.


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Nemu
01/24/22 9:43:14 PM
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At this time, it's just a gross form of sexual harassment. If someone views it as more than that, there's nothing wrong with them feeling that way, but I don't think that's an objective description of what happened. It should still be treated seriously by moderation staff of VR game communities, obviously.
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Dakimakura
01/24/22 9:51:23 PM
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Developer should be held accountable. How out of touch do you have to be to not see this type of thing coming.

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TMOG
01/24/22 10:08:01 PM
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Oh, I know. I just absolutely hate this site's stupid-ass policy of "never ban an old account".
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GiftedACIII
01/24/22 10:13:22 PM
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Even if it wasn't sexual it would probably be harassment. Griefing itself is a form of harassment.

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Umbreon
01/24/22 10:18:40 PM
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It's certainly sexual harassment.

Sadly predictable sexual harassment, since even having a female avatar will have assholes saying and doing inappropriate things towards you.

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