Current Events > There's only 2 ways for the DCEU to be saved

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Fire Zack Snyder

or Zack Snyder takes his head out of his ass and realize his mistakes and improve as a director (which I doubt hell ever do since his ego is fucking ginormous)

i side with the former.

If The Batman is a critical and commercial success, they can possibly build on that. Otherwise, they're looking pretty well fucked right now.

Is Snyder still in the DCEU?

Um, Snyder is in no longer in any way affiliated with DC movies.

I hate to burst your bubble, but Zack Snyder is no longer even involved with DCEU. His version of Justice League was a one-shot deal that is not part of DCEU canon. If DCEU still sucks, it's in spite of him, not because of.

Who made Shazam because that was great

It can't be saved, Whedon killed it.

the era of movie heroes might be at an end, there's no saving dc

Paragon21XX posted...

I hate to burst your bubble, but Zack Snyder is no longer even involved with DCEU. His version of Justice League was a one-shot deal that is not part of DCEU canon. If DCEU still sucks, it's in spite of him, not because of.

His version is actually Canon but may not be after the flash movie.

JL theatrical States Wonder Woman hasn't been seen for 100 years and we know that's not true. Zack Snyder's JL doesn't have a scene like that.

Their biggest mistake was trying to copy Marvel

They DC Animated Universe laid the groundwork a long time ago for an amazing combined universe with Superman TAS, Batman TAS, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited. They should have followed that framework instead.

Nukazie posted...

the era of movie heroes might be at an end, there's no saving dc

Nah, just the DCEU. They'll still put out fun solo movies somtimes

Tyranthraxus posted...

His version is actually Canon

Not according to Snyder:

https://collider.com/is-snyder-cut-canon-dc-films-zack-snyder-comments/

lolife67 posted...

Not according to Snyder:

https://collider.com/is-snyder-cut-canon-dc-films-zack-snyder-comments/

He said the producers don't consider it Canon. The people actually making them movies do

https://www.geekfeed.com/patty-jenkins-says-all-dc-directors-dont-consider-whedons-justice-league-canon/

Who posted the last two posts

Snyder's JL is essentially big budget fan fiction lol. It's a miracle it even got made. Of course it's not canon.

Its pretty much impossible to save it at this point. Itll have its popular movies and its trash movies. Looks like theyre leaning a little bit more towards actually decent movies at the moment, but itll never be the phenomenon that is the MCU.

lilORANG posted...

Snyder's JL is essentially big budget fan fiction lol. It's a miracle it even got made. Of course it's not canon.

It's canon, as so much as there is a canon. Made by the same core people and the original creator, and FAR better than the original.

The DCEU as originally envisioned is already dead. Joker and the new Batman movie are completely unrelated to the DCEU. We're getting Keaton back as Batman. They soft rebooted Suicide Squad only a few years after the original release. Shazam made zero efforts to tie in to the original DCEU.

It's clear at this point that DC is gong to make movies out of ideas they think will work and ignore the MCU-style universe. And it's largely been wiring, as they're more recent releases have been much better than MoS, BvS, or SS.

lilORANG posted...

We're getting Keaton back as Batman.

No we aren't. We're getting a cameo from Keaton.

Horrorbooksguy posted...

No we aren't. We're getting a cameo from Keaton.

I wonder if this impacts him playing Vulture in the Spidey movies.

lilORANG posted...

The DCEU as originally envisioned is already dead. Joker and the new Batman movie are completely unrelated to the DCEU. We're getting Keaton back as Batman. They soft rebooted Suicide Squad only a few years after the original release. Shazam made zero efforts to tie in to the original DCEU.

It's clear at this point that DC is gong to make movies out of ideas they think will work and ignore the MCU-style universe. And it's largely been wiring, as they're more recent releases have been much better than MoS, BvS, or SS.

I get the feeling that they're trying to put some distance between the movies before they try to re- emphasize the shared universe aspect.

meralonne posted...

I wonder if this impacts him playing Vulture in the Spidey movies.

Frankly, I won't be surprised if that's much more than a cameo too. But 8ts also really weird because it means Venom both exists inside and outside the MCU universe....

Horrorbooksguy posted...

Frankly, I won't be surprised if that's much more than a cameo too. But 8ts also really weird because it means Venom both exists inside and outside the MCU universe....

As long as they don't have Spider-Holland dancing around like Spider-Maguire when he got venom'd, they'll be just fine.

Have Nolan do a sequel to Tenet and call it Flashpoint.

The only way to save it is to give Snyder full control over it. They need to be different than the steady stream of Marvelshit and Snyder brings that.

Yeah Zack Snyder really gave the DCEU a bad rep. I can definitely see why they aren't continuing with his version. Warner Bros has been releasing films sporadically, without any of the DC films having any tie ins with one another and most have been mega hits. I'll say for DC to stick to what works and just make movies when they can without the need for a continuity from another film.

lilORANG posted...

It's clear at this point that DC is gong to make movies out of ideas they think will work and ignore the MCU-style universe. And it's largely been wiring, as they're more recent releases have been much better than MoS, BvS, or SS.

Shadowplay posted...

I get the feeling that they're trying to put some distance between the movies before they try to re- emphasize the shared universe aspect.

Yea this is basically what they've been doing lately

Throw out what didn't work. Keep what does.

The only thing is people expect a WB/DC Feige to be out in the press explaining how all this does or doesn't connect. What is or isn't canon

KlRBEH posted...

Their biggest mistake was trying to copy Marvel

They DC Animated Universe laid the groundwork a long time ago for an amazing combined universe with Superman TAS, Batman TAS, Justice League, and Justice League Unlimited. They should have followed that framework instead.

This. They started off on a shaky foundation from the beginning (or at least after Man of Steel).

It was clear the only real direction they had was fasttracking to a Justice League movie and it felt nowhere near as organic as what the MCU did. While it was clear that the intent was to originally build up to an Avengers movie, they took their time fleshing out the universe and its characters. Figuring out how to make Thor work in the context of an MCU that had been fairly grounded up until that point. Doing early groundwork on each character's character development so that when it came time for the big crossover, the distinct quirks between each character could be fully explored once it came time for them to interact.

The perfect comparison is BvS vs CA: CW. On the surface, they are very, very similar movies, with two heroes in conflict with one another as a result of the machinations of a master manipulator. But Cap and Iron-Man already had clear ideological differences even before heading into that movie and Zemo merely took advantage of that.

Whereas in BvS, it's just Lex Luthor forcing them to fight by literally going "Fight Batman or I'll kill your mom!", which isn't anywhere near as interesting and is pretty lazy writing. Like, the entire DCEU is written just to make certain scenes happen without any regard for actual character writing.

Vyrulisse posted...

The only way to save it is to give Snyder full control over it. They need to be different than the steady stream of Marvelshit and Snyder brings that.

Something being different doesn't make it better.

Snyder generally does a shit job of handling the classic DC characters and that's the one area where Marvel usually excels. Marvel's so good at that that they're able to go back to characters people previously disliked and make them work.

meralonne posted...

As long as they don't have Spider-Holland dancing around like Spider-Maguire when he got venom'd, they'll be just fine.

No no not what I mean, but spoilers just in case

Morbius is in the same universe as Venom. Morbius is also in the same universe as the MCU, per Vulture appearing, meaning Venom is in the MCUverse. But Venom is also outside the MCUverse per No Way Home, since he gets sucked in by the spell.

Horrorbooksguy posted...

Who posted the last two posts

lolife67 then another user quoting them

catboy2 posted...

lolife67 then another user quoting them

Man my account is just weeks old and I'm blocked by posters I've never even seen O.o

it's possible the latter person doesnt have you blocked. Look for "Hide Ignored Quotes" in Advanced settings and set it to No.

catboy2 posted...

it's possible the latter person doesnt have you blocked. Look for "Hide Ignored Quotes" in Advanced settings and set it to No.

I did change that, thanks for the tip, but no change :/

Horrorbooksguy posted...

Man my account is just weeks old and I'm blocked by posters I've never even seen O.o

I don't have you blocked, so it must be Tyranthraxus.

lolife67 posted...

I don't have you blocked, so it must be Tyranthraxus.

Oh yup he has me blocked for whatever reason, another message gone from him in a different topic lol

No big loss it seems

Horrorbooksguy posted...

No big loss it seems

he's one of the better users on CE

Horrorbooksguy posted...

Morbius is in the same universe as Venom. Morbius is also in the same universe as the MCU, per Vulture appearing, meaning Venom is in the MCUverse. But Venom is also outside the MCUverse per No Way Home, since he gets sucked in by the spell.

Not necessarily. Keaton doesnt necessarily have to be the Vulture in Morbius/Venom land but could easily be in prison for some other shady dealings, given he was pretty shady even before he got his hands on alien tech in the main MCU.

I mean, I fully admit that its a thin explanation. But multiverse shenanigans can get pretty ridiculous, after all.