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Add in random stat gains upon level up.

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FFT

Veggeta_MAX posted...

FFT

What?

FF8 does but I dont remenber tactics punishing you.

The Last Remnant.

TES IV: Oblivion. It is optimal to never go to sleep because all enemies in the game get perfect +5 attribute bonuses every time you level up. Magic is especially broken because health stays below 100 hp on most enemies at low levels, allowing you to use a 1s drain health spell to auto kill cheese.

spikethedevil posted...

What?

FF8 does but I dont remenber tactics punishing you.

non-story fights have enemies level with you

Final Fantasy IV(Tellah)
Some Fire Emblem games(Due to stat growth rates)

Combat in Bethesda games is hardest right at the beginning. By the halfway point of Fallout/Elder Scrolls youre dominating every enemy you come across, so I dont get complaints about dynamic scaling making the game harder.

Marvel Heroes Omega (I think). I was unable to unlock higher difficulty levels because enemies level with you, and I read it was easier at a lower level, but by then I was a high level.

In Shining Force games if you promote your characters right when they reach level 10 they end up with worse end-game stats than if you waited to promote them.

fallout 2 and probably 1 if you let the skillpoint counter hit at or near 99 and then level up. fairly easy to forget with high int character. it just doesnt add any more skillpoints so can lose out on like 1-23 skillpoints or something like that depending on stats and perks and how close you were to 99.

Oblivion, where the enemies level up with you so you never feel a sense of progression.

IIIRC, Lunar 1, for the bosses at least.

OP Levels in Borderlands 2. Melee attacks in BL2. Healthgating in BL2.

Lotta things in BL suck at higher levels >_>

If you level up in an efficient manner, the game is hardest at the start. If you just level up Speech to the max then legendary it and level it more then everything will just one hit you even on blocks.

radical rhino posted...

In Shining Force games if you promote your characters right when they reach level 10 they end up with worse end-game stats than if you waited to promote them.

Games where you rush to promote yourself first to a new class so you can get more level up points.

Not really punished, but trying to level up to 99 in Castlevania - Circle of the Moon is nearly impossible.

The higher your level, the less experience you receive from kills.

WOW. With the way stat scaling works a lvl 50 with good gear is stronger than a lvl 55 with mediocre gear.

FF8 only leveled enemy HP, so their str and other stats remained the same. It's actually dynamic leveling done right.

Oblivion is the first one that comes to mind. You can steal so much that you level up, but not in combat or HP, and everything kills you and you have to start over.

EDIT: WoW is the absolute worst, hands down.

ZMythos posted...

OP Levels in Borderlands 2. Melee attacks in BL2. Healthgating in BL2.

Lotta things in BL suck at higher levels >_>

dude bl2 is super hard once you hit the OP levels. i never could past that digistruck peak or whatever it was past OP level 2 or something lol.

also hated that you needed to slag and healthgate to be successful wtf.

imo BL3 is a lot better at higher levels. first game too

The Division

Robot2600 posted... FF8 only leveled enemy HP, so their str and other stats remained the same. It's actually dynamic leveling done right.

It also affected loot tables. Some upgrade materials get harder to acquire if the enemy hits a level break point, which is where the lvl up/lvl down abilities come in handy.

radical rhino posted...

Combat in Bethesda games is hardest right at the beginning. By the halfway point of Fallout/Elder Scrolls youre dominating every enemy you come across, so I dont get complaints about dynamic scaling making the game harder.

I think it could be more for a player who loves magic. Based off of spell descriptions in Skyrim, it seems like a lot of them only work on lower level enemies. So hit level 30, and most of the fun spells in the Illusion school no longer have any effect.

loafy013 posted...

It also affected loot tables. Some upgrade materials get harder to acquire if the enemy hits a level break point, which is where the lvl up/lvl down abilities come in handy.

I think it could be more for a player who loves magic. Based off of spell descriptions in Skyrim, it seems like a lot of them only work on lower level enemies. So hit level 30, and most of the fun spells in the Illusion school no longer have any effect.

I also had a summoner that wrecked everything until I leveled up too much and then I could literally not kill anything. 5-10 minutes to kill a single trash mob. 1HKO death if it hits me. This was Oblivion.

I played Oblivion for the first time a few years ago, I thought the complaints about it were exaggerated. The level system is so bad.

It's the sole reason why I prefer Skyrim over Oblivion