Current Events > C/D There really is no evidence for there being an afterlife

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eh ?

I have seen it actually.

It's actually much like high school but not as acne filled.

C mostly but hell I dunno I'm just a semi intelligent chimp thingy

I feel it's one of those things where, you can't claim there's no evidence against it, but we certainly haven't found any yet/recognized anything to be evidence of it.

How do we know that this isn't the afterlife

C, but lately I've come to realize how little the existence of evidence seems to matter in forming most people's beliefs.

g0ldie posted...

I feel it's one of those things where, you can't claim there's no evidence against it, but we certainly haven't found any yet/recognized anything to be evidence of it.

even without evidence, we already know how much body and brain ties into consciousness. it made no sense how consciousness would persist after biological function perish. literal bacterias can change your behavior even personality. how arrogant it is to assume the mind is immortal and go somewhere, judged for eternity from the action of your tiny tiny period of life compared to eternity. it's pure quackery

that's a strong argument to dispute an afterlife, but idk if it conclusively disputes one.

like, I'm not saying there's an afterlife (I don't believe in one), but if there was one, it could be something beyond our experience that just how we measure consciousness might not account for.

plus, it doesn't necessarily have to be a permanent state, just something that comes after death, even if temporary.

g0ldie posted...

that's a strong argument to dispute an afterlife, but idk if it conclusively disputes one.

like, I'm not saying there's an afterlife (I don't believe in one), but if there was one, it could be something beyond our experience that just how we measure consciousness might not account for.

plus, it doesn't necessarily have to be a permanent state, just something that comes after death, even if temporary.

idk, maybe. So you're personally an atheist?

Smallville posted...

So you're personally an atheist?

no, but I don't believe in an afterlife, though.

Eh?

apolloooo posted...

even without evidence, we already know how much body and brain ties into consciousness. it made no sense how consciousness would persist after biological function perish. literal bacterias can change your behavior even personality. how arrogant it is to assume the mind is immortal and go somewhere, judged for eternity from the action of your tiny tiny period of life compared to eternity. it's pure quackery

Arrogant, sure, but also comforting. Its the American scratch that the terrestrial way.

If there was a sophisticated alien sureveliance network, they could record all your memories and reproduce you at will.
Aka the afterlife.

Even more so if you are data in a simulation.

WingsOfGood posted...

If there was a sophisticated alien sureveliance network, they could record all your memories and reproduce you at will.
Aka the afterlife.

Even more so if you are data in a simulation.

Thats not an afterlife.

dunno for me it still makes the most sense that when you die it's like before you were born

no idea why anyone would think this isn't the most sane thing to think

Tenlaar posted...

Thats not an afterlife.

In the simulation you die, but don't actually die. Your bits just turn off. They can remake whenever they feel, as you are a data person.

No evidence, no. Just belief.

Funny, it's arrogant to believe in the afterlife and its also arrogant to not believe in aliens/extraterrestrial life.

WingsOfGood posted...

In the simulation you die, but don't actually die. Your bits just turn off. They can remake whenever they feel, as you are a data person.

Okayand thats still not an afterlife

Sada_Pop posted...

No evidence, no. Just belief.

Funny, it's arrogant to believe in the afterlife and its also arrogant to not believe in aliens/extraterrestrial life.

Why does it become funny that 1 group believes without evidence one thing and denies the other.
And the second group reverses that.

Would make more sense to deny both.

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today to get through this thing called life. Electric word life, it means forever and that's a mighty long time. But I'm here to tell you: there's something else. The after world.

C

And when people claim to have NDE visions, I am entirely convinced they are a product of a dying brain.

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That is like saying there is evidence of an afterlife and that is that there is a pre-death life.

WingsOfGood posted...

Why does it become funny that 1 group believes without evidence one thing and denies the other.
And the second group reverses that.

Would make more sense to deny both.

Although extraterrestrial life cannot be currently proven, looking at statistical circumstances of the universe it is much more likely (albeit still theoretical at this point) that life/intelligence out there exists in some form than the existence of an afterlife as humanity in general considers it.

Yuck

This topic is like BCD. 234.

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Aressar posted...

Although extraterrestrial life cannot be currently proven, looking at statistical circumstances of the universe it is much more likely (albeit still theoretical at this point) that life/intelligence out there exists in some form than the existence of an afterlife as humanity in general considers it.

This is a false assumption about how life starts. The idea is if there is water, then there is chance of life. Yet this is not a proven assumption. It would infact be more logical alien life is not water based.

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It literally is. It is hilarious to see people who have nothing but faith in something bash others in the same circumstance but then deny that they are they same.
Why are alien believers like this?

"So I am alive on earth that means somewhere out there aliens exist!" no, no it doesn't.

But to that idea, the afterlife people can craft the same argument. Also, I should mention, reincarnation is also an afterlife. Though I guess even those people claim the soul keeps some properties from the previous lives.

I can accept the notion of a symbolic afterlife, as in the molecules comprising my body will be recycled and in that sense "I" will continue living in the world.

The more common understanding of the term afterlife, however--a conscious plane of existence subsequent to and distinct from this life--I cannot entertain.

There is nothing to suggest more to our demise than the cessation of physiological processes and the inevitable decay of our mortal coil. Could there be something afterward? Perhaps. And that's where the speculation necessarily must stop. Perhaps.

(Your) consciousness is not limited purely to your physical experiences, per se, a point which ought to be evident to you from a very early age, and that is an extension of the nature of reality. You cannot experience your own death. You will experience something else. Will that something be good, or bad, or .. something different? It's all about time.

Aliens are not supernatural. An afterlife is. Not the same.

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You are not terrestrial life?

Tenlaar posted...

Aliens are not supernatural. An afterlife is. Not the same.

If we live in a simulation, an afterlife is also not supernatural. It is entirely explainable by computer science.

WingsOfGood posted...

If we live in a simulation, an afterlife is also not supernatural. It is entirely explainable by computer science.

If there is nothing behind the simulation, then there is no difference.

Xethuminra posted...

If there is nothing behind the simulation, then there is no difference.

Incorrect. That just means the original makers of the simulation had no afterlife. But that would not be us.

I would love to believe in an immortal soul and all that shit, but...eh.
There's a reason brain damage changes people's personalities wildly. We're all a bunch of interconnecting biological functions, not some floaty orb in a body.

That said, dying still doesn't really make sense to me, lol. The entire experience of consciousness is bizarre. We don't remember being babies, but obviously, we were alive and thinking and feeling things that whole time. When we die, there's just...nothing, since our consciousness fades, but it's not like we can describe what that experience is with consciousness as a reference, but that's the only avenue we have to describe anything.

Fun aside, the concept of "nothing" is thought to be scientifically impossible.

WingsOfGood posted...

Incorrect. That just means the original makers of the simulation had no afterlife. But that would not be us.

You infer a simulation needs a creator. Why should it? Does life need a creator? Something synonymous with the very fabric of space and time wouldn't necessarily need a beginning or an end. Imagine an infinite chain of theortical figures.

What's more likely is that, from a certain perspective, we are a virus within what you would perceive as a simulation.

Xethuminra posted...

You infer a simulation needs a creator. Why should it? Does life need a creator? Something synonymous with the very fabric of space and time wouldn't necessarily need a beginning or an end. Imagine an infinite chain of theortical figures.

What's more likely is that, from a certain perspective, we are a virus within what you would perceive as a simulation.

I agree it can exist as that. But then your observation is meaningless. If you die and then can be reborn as you still after death, that is an afterlife.
So I had thought perhaps your point was before the simulation existed there was no afterlife.

Season 3 coming Friday

WingsOfGood posted...

I agree it can exist as that. But then your observation is meaningless. If you die and then can be reborn as you still after death, that is an afterlife.
So I had thought perhaps your point was before the simulation existed there was no afterlife.

There could be multiple virtual realities, like a pyramid scheme. In fact, over a long enough period of time, that should become the case in terms of the fate of the universe & its inhabitants. Organisms and entities will naturally attempt to recreate the past, memories, and form true microcosms, and recreate the universe itself, and form new universes, and alter the rules of reality itself. This story is somewhere between the beginning and the end.....

A sad combination of misunderstanding, lies, and profound scientific discovery has caused people to lack respect for the profundity of their own existence....and namely their mind. You can't tell me youre just some animal. This is limbo, baby

A step away from heaven
A step away from hell

Whats your earliest memory? The human brain is fascinating and people pretend that other "smarter" people understand it? Lol. We WANT to understand it, but the first step in solving a problem IS acknowledging its existence in the first place. Children are born crying, peculiar things..... And you (in your mind) just kinda dropped yourself off at a certain point as a toddler and said "Hey. Let's start over. Here."

Consciousness is the great mystery

Xethuminra posted...

There could be multiple virtual realities, like a pyramid scheme. In fact, over a long enough period of time, that should become the case in terms of the fate of the universe & its inhabitants. Organisms and entities will naturally attempt to recreate the past, memories, and form true microcosms, and recreate the universe itself, and form new universes, and alter the rules of reality itself. This story is somewhere between the beginning and the end.....

A sad combination of misunderstanding, lies, and profound scientific discovery has caused people to lack respect for the profundity of their own existence....and namely their mind. You can't tell me youre just some animal. This is limbo, baby

A step away from heaven
A step away from hell

Whats your earliest memory? The human brain is fascinating and people pretend that other "smarter" people understand it? Lol. We WANT to understand it, but the first step in solving a problem IS acknowledging its existence in the first place. Children are born crying, peculiar things..... And you (in your mind) just kinda dropped yourself off at a certain point as a toddler and said "Hey. Let's start over. Here."

Consciousness is the great mystery

Dude I wasn't trying to prove anything.
I just wanted to explain how the notion that an afterlife is totally supernatural and therefore ridiculous is incorrect.

It is also a big assumption to say we are in a simulation. Just as big an assumption as claiming are anecdotal planet is evidence that life exists out there and we need not find actual evidence to believe.

Why aren't you trying to prove anything?

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to believe life exists off earth

you believe it does correct?

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what made it happen and why would that happen somewhere else?

Since we're not sure, the prudent tactical and lab-safe approach is....

.... to act as if

Imagine trying to explain that Earth isnt flat to ancient people. You can draw them the model & show them evidence.... But you can't show them pictures. You can't corroborate it.

This is no different