communism a false dichotomy?

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WorsCaseOntario 12/31/21 9:58:49 AM #1:	What do you think about those who posit a different system entirely? --- Frankly my dear, I don't give a ham. <cite>WorsCaseOntario posted [p:961353857] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>What do you think about those who posit a different system entirely? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 12/31/21 10:00:40 AM #2:	well, which alternative system are they proposing? hopefully not like, feudalism --- https://i.imgur.com/6cPXvLN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hVC4i6j.jpg <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:961353895] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>well, which alternative system are they proposing? hopefully not like, feudalism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xavier_On_High 12/31/21 10:05:28 AM #3:	Yeah, it's a false dichotomy. They aren't necessarily opposed to each other (except in their most extreme forms). It's just that the form of Communism that arose in the early 20th century was a threat to the extant power structures, which happened to be Capitalist. --- http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltnafhjcUz1qmxswbo1_500.gif <cite>Xavier_On_High posted [p:961353981] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it's a false dichotomy. They aren't necessarily opposed to each other (except in their most extreme forms). It's just that the form of Communism that arose in the early 20th century was a threat to the extant power structures, which happened to be Capitalist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 12/31/21 10:07:55 AM #4:	ThyCorndog posted... well, which alternative system are they proposing? hopefully not like, feudalism It's the same picture. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) 12-18-19 and 01-13-21: Times Donald Trump has officially been impeached. <cite>Umbreon posted [p:961354023] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>well, which alternative system are they proposing? hopefully not like, feudalism</quote> It's the same picture. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/31/21 10:14:37 AM #5:	Xavier_On_High posted... Yeah, it's a false dichotomy. They aren't necessarily opposed to each other (except in their most extreme forms). It's just that the form of Communism that arose in the early 20th century was a threat to the extant power structures, which happened to be Capitalist. while it's true that a capitalist state in one country can theoretically exist in harmony with a socialist state in a different country (but it never actually will), I interpreted the question as positing the idea of a mix of capitalism and socialism being present in the same country. if I read that correctly, then the answer is No. socialism and capitalism are fundamentally different economic systems, and the countries that people generally posit as being a combination of the two (i.e. a "mixed economy") are just capitalist states with some social programs. adding more social programs does not make for a fundamentally different economic system. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:961354162] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Xavier_On_High posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, it's a false dichotomy. They aren't necessarily opposed to each other (except in their most extreme forms). It's just that the form of Communism that arose in the early 20th century was a threat to the extant power structures, which happened to be Capitalist.</quote>while it's true that a capitalist state in one country can theoretically exist in harmony with a socialist state in a different country (but it never actually will), I interpreted the question as positing the idea of a mix of capitalism and socialism being present in the same country. if I read that correctly, then the answer is No. socialism and capitalism are fundamentally different economic systems, and the countries that people generally posit as being a combination of the two (i.e. a "mixed economy") are just capitalist states with some social programs. adding more social programs does not make for a fundamentally different economic system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/31/21 10:16:02 AM #6:	Umbreon posted... It's the same picture. while feudalism and capitalism do have many similarities, they are still distinct economic systems and shouldn't be conflated --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:961354194] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Umbreon posted... </cite> <quote>It's the same picture.</quote>while feudalism and capitalism do have many similarities, they are still distinct economic systems and shouldn't be conflated </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/31/21 10:16:19 AM #7:	Whatever alternative systems and philosophies exist, would likely spring from Marxism, just as Marxism came into being as a reaction to capitalism. But Marxism has to overtake capitalism first. --- Everything you love was always woke, and its less woke than it used to be, and that's why its not as good anymore, because its less woke. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:961354198] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Whatever alternative systems and philosophies exist, would likely spring from Marxism, just as Marxism came into being as a reaction to capitalism. But Marxism has to overtake capitalism first. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 12/31/21 10:17:06 AM #8:	Xavier_On_High posted... Yeah, it's a false dichotomy. They aren't necessarily opposed to each other (except in their most extreme forms). It's just that the form of Communism that arose in the early 20th century was a threat to the extant power structures, which happened to be Capitalist. Or you know 20th century communism (and communism in general) is a threat to the well being of every person living in that system, as seen with the Soviets, China, Argentina, ect. --- Hello I'm Duncan, I like Video Games and comedies let's be friends Donkey Kong is my friend! Come back anytime DK, don't be a stranger! <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:961354214] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Xavier_On_High posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah, it's a false dichotomy. They aren't necessarily opposed to each other (except in their most extreme forms). It's just that the form of Communism that arose in the early 20th century was a threat to the extant power structures, which happened to be Capitalist. </quote> Or you know 20th century communism (and communism in general) is a threat to the well being of every person living in that system, as seen with the Soviets, China, Argentina, ect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 12/31/21 10:41:20 AM #9:	Its painted as a false dichotomy for sure. You only have to say the dreaded S word to get backwater hicks to vote against their own interests because they still have the red scare. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:961354727] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Its painted as a false dichotomy for sure. You only have to say the dreaded S word to get backwater hicks to vote against their own interests because they still have the red scare. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 12/31/21 11:07:11 AM #10:	Duncanwii posted... Or you know 20th century communism (and communism in general) is a threat to the well being of every person living in that system, as seen with the Soviets, China, Argentina, ect. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the communists and socialists who were murdered there? I dunno, maybe I'm tripping --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:961355228] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>Or you know 20th century communism (and communism in general) is a threat to the well being of every person living in that system, as seen with the Soviets, China, Argentina, ect.</quote> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it the communists and socialists who were murdered there? I dunno, maybe I'm tripping </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AablMind 12/31/21 2:16:25 PM #11:	Duncanwii posted... Or you know 20th century communism (and communism in general) is a threat to the well being of every person living in that system, as seen with the Soviets, China, Argentina, ect. My eyes glaze over when people say shit like this --- What ever happened to Mad Stalker? <cite>AablMind posted [p:961359394] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>Or you know 20th century communism (and communism in general) is a threat to the well being of every person living in that system, as seen with the Soviets, China, Argentina, ect.</quote>My eyes glaze over when people say shit like this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EmbraceOfDeath 12/31/21 2:21:22 PM #12:	They're not the only systems of economics, but they are mutually exclusive. You can't have someone owning the capital and employing everyone while simultaneously having the workers collectively own it. This does not include social programs though, which people call socialism but has nothing to do with actual socialism, the economic system. --- PSN/GT: BigDaffej <cite>EmbraceOfDeath posted [p:961359522] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>They're not the only systems of economics, but they are mutually exclusive. You can't have someone owning the capital and employing everyone while simultaneously having the workers collectively own it. This does not include social programs though, which people call socialism but has nothing to do with actual socialism, the economic system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 12/31/21 2:22:00 PM #13:	EmbraceOfDeath posted... They're not the only systems of economics, but they are mutually exclusive. You can't have someone owning the capital and employing everyone while simultaneously having the workers collectively own it. This does not include social programs though, which people call socialism but has nothing to do with actual socialism, the economic system. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:961359549] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>EmbraceOfDeath posted...</cite> <quote>They're not the only systems of economics, but they are mutually exclusive. You can't have someone owning the capital and employing everyone while simultaneously having the workers collectively own it. This does not include social programs though, which people call socialism but has nothing to do with actual socialism, the economic system. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 12/31/21 3:59:42 PM #14:	AablMind posted... My eyes glaze over when people say shit like this People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union, just like people in South Korea nowadays have objectively better lives then those in North Korea. Communism doesn't make lives better, they make them worse. --- Hello I'm Duncan, I like Video Games and comedies let's be friends Donkey Kong is my friend! Come back anytime DK, don't be a stranger! <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:961362231] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>AablMind posted...</cite> <quote> My eyes glaze over when people say shit like this </quote> People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union, just like people in South Korea nowadays have objectively better lives then those in North Korea. Communism doesn't make lives better, they make them worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 12/31/21 4:05:15 PM #15:	Duncanwii posted... People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union, just like people in South Korea nowadays have objectively better lives then those in North Korea. Communism doesn't make lives better, they make them worse. "bUt ItS nOT reAl coMmUnISmz" --- Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to Trumble look more like? <cite>Trumble posted [p:961362374] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union, just like people in South Korea nowadays have objectively better lives then those in North Korea. Communism doesn't make lives better, they make them worse.</quote> "bUt ItS nOT reAl coMmUnISmz" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IMNOTRAGED 12/31/21 5:24:27 PM #16:	Duncanwii posted... People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union, The one country that wasn't reduced to rubble a few years prior was doing better than the country that had just gone through decades of war and conflict Wow, you don't say! --- http://i.imgur.com/kkm3QaD.jpg "Be ruthless with systems; be kind to people." <cite>IMNOTRAGED posted [p:961364434] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union,</quote> The one country that wasn't reduced to rubble a few years prior was doing better than the country that had just gone through decades of war and conflict Wow, you don't say! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ellis123 12/31/21 5:33:46 PM #17:	IMNOTRAGED posted... The one country that wasn't reduced to rubble a few years prior was doing better than the country that had just gone through decades of war and conflict Wow, you don't say! Not quite. The first country was also in a position to be the almost sole provider of massive amounts of products and had a unique spot in history in making massive amounts of money without any real competition. --- "A shouted order to do something of dubious morality with an unpredictable outcome? Thweeet!" My FC is in my profile. <cite>ellis123 posted [p:961364690] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>IMNOTRAGED posted... </cite> <quote>The one country that wasn't reduced to rubble a few years prior was doing better than the country that had just gone through decades of war and conflict Wow, you don't say!</quote>Not quite. The first country was also in a position to be the almost sole provider of massive amounts of products and had a unique spot in history in making massive amounts of money without any real competition. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 01/01/22 2:41:26 PM #18:	Duncanwii posted... People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union, just like people in South Korea nowadays have objectively better lives then those in North Korea. Communism doesn't make lives better, they make them worse. this is a ridiculous comparison. the more apt one would be between the US in the 1950s and the US in the 1910s; or between the USSR in the 1950s and the various states that formed the USSR in the 1910s. the soviet union went from Feudalism in 1917 to World Superpower in 1950, and quality of life was drastically better for its citizens. soviet states even had a better quality of life than the former soviet states do now --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:961386640] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>People in the 50's had objectively better lives in the US then those in the Soviet Union, just like people in South Korea nowadays have objectively better lives then those in North Korea. Communism doesn't make lives better, they make them worse.</quote>this is a ridiculous comparison. the more apt one would be between the US in the 1950s and the US in the 1910s; or between the USSR in the 1950s and the various states that formed the USSR in the 1910s. the soviet union went from Feudalism in 1917 to World Superpower in 1950, and quality of life was drastically better for its citizens. soviet states even had a better quality of life than the former soviet states do now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greyfox747 01/01/22 2:49:56 PM #19:	IMNOTRAGED posted... The one country that wasn't reduced to rubble a few years prior was doing better than the country that had just gone through decades of war and conflict Wow, you don't say! https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/1/AADZHuAACsJ_.jpg --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 23 states <cite>greyfox747 posted [p:961386851] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>IMNOTRAGED posted... </cite> <quote>The one country that wasn't reduced to rubble a few years prior was doing better than the country that had just gone through decades of war and conflict Wow, you don't say!</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/1/AADZHuAACsJ_.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkChozoGhost 01/01/22 2:55:54 PM #20:	lmao, did he really say that about FDR? --- My sister's dog bit a hole in my Super Mario Land cartridge. It still works though - Skye Reynolds 3DS FC: 3239-5612-0115 <cite>DarkChozoGhost posted [p:961386991] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>lmao, did he really say that about FDR? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Xavier_On_High 01/01/22 3:36:46 PM #21:	greyfox747 posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/1/AADZHuAACsJ_.jpg FDR did run for, and won, a fourth term, Dunc. Jesus Christ. --- http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltnafhjcUz1qmxswbo1_500.gif <cite>Xavier_On_High posted [p:961387923] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>greyfox747 posted... </cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/1/5/1/AADZHuAACsJ_.jpg</quote> FDR did run for, and won, a fourth term, Dunc. Jesus Christ. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Disengaged 01/01/22 3:38:01 PM #22:	Of course. They are all man made constructs. --- This is my signature. You read my signature. It sucked. <cite>Disengaged posted [p:961387953] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Of course. They are all man made constructs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 01/01/22 3:50:08 PM #23:	Xavier_On_High posted... FDR did run for, and won, a fourth term, Dunc. Jesus Christ. The biggest flaw in Duncan's post: the amendment was explicitly not retroactive. If FDR did not die partway through his 4th term, he could have been elected for a 5th, 6th, 7th, or even 8th term because the 22nd amendment did not apply to him nor did it apply to Harry Truman because it was not fully ratified until 1951 (Truman ended up not running in 1952 anyway). But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:961388242] in Is capital... [t:79833580]...</cite> <quote>Xavier_On_High posted... </cite> <quote>FDR did run for, and won, a fourth term, Dunc. Jesus Christ.</quote>The biggest flaw in Duncan's post: the amendment was explicitly not retroactive. If FDR did not die partway through his 4th term, he could have been elected for a 5th, 6th, 7th, or even 8th term because the 22nd amendment did not apply to him nor did it apply to Harry Truman because it was not fully ratified until 1951 (Truman ended up not running in 1952 anyway). <quote>But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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