Current Events > CO Judge will reconsider sentence of trucker given 110 years.

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He should get 30 years, he's responsible to a degree for the crash.

He lied about his knowledge, didn't complete the check list, knew his brakes were going bad but continued on anyway.

So do truckers just skip the training/video courses if they say theyve got experience?

A coworker left the job & came back and had to at least do all the training videos & do the tests correctly again. And its not even for a trucking position, its just retail.

he shouldnt get any years

ThePhantomMedic posted...

he shouldnt get any years

Why shouldn't he?

He lied about his abilities, did nothing about the falling brakes either. He made the decision to continue on with his route.

Mr_Karate_II posted...

He should get 30 years, he's responsible to a degree for the crash.

He lied about his knowledge, didn't complete the check list, knew his brakes were going bad but continued on anyway.

And because of this people actually died, and you all are seriously defending this goon dying in prison?

What a joke.

Mr_Karate_II posted...

Why shouldn't he?

He lied about his abilities, did nothing about the falling brakes either. He made the decision to continue on with his route.

if you have an issues dm me and we can fight

I mean, he lied on the form. That's a damning legal document and he knew 50 miles out there was a brake issue. His poor judgement and lies cost lives and injured many others. I would be totally fine with a 30 year sentence for everything. He might not be a danger to others but he did make some really awful choices in succession. It's not a matter of one mistake causing all of this, it's multiple ones that even allowed the situation to be possible.

ThePhantomMedic posted...

if you have an issues dm me and we can fight

Yeah, that's not gonna happen

iPhone_7 posted...

So do truckers just skip the training/video courses if they say theyve got experience?

A coworker left the job & came back and had to at least do all the training videos & do the tests correctly again. And its not even for a trucking position, its just retail.

Thats what happens at any company that knows what the fuck theyre doing.

Nobody cares as long as they have a scapegoat to blame though. Notice how literally nobody has even mentioned the employer being punished in any way.

He is partially at fault but there should be systems in place so this doesnt happen. Mandatory training, maintenance checks, background checks to ensure accuracy, etc.

MrDrMan posted...

1. Youre obviously unaware how many people lie on applications. It happens all the time.

Just because it is normalized, it doesn't mean it is good. Otherwise robberies, porch pirates, graffiti and anything else that is just part of everyday life wouldn't be considered a crime either.

MrDrMan posted...

Notice how literally nobody has even mentioned the employer being punished in any way.

DrizztLink posted...

There should be ramifications for the company as well, I think is his point.

I'll just go fuck myself.

TheVipaGTS posted...

but its still expected to be in the 20-30 year range. This is still bull shit, man.

The fuck it is. He lied about his qualifications and failed to make sure his rig was roadworthy, then failed to properly take action for losing brakes. And four people fucking burned to death because of him.

iPhone_7 posted...

So do truckers just skip the training/video courses if they say theyve got experience?

To drive a commercial vehicle you need a CDL, CDL training and licensing is carried out by the state, not the hiring company.

Crazyman93 posted...

To drive a commercial vehicle you need a CDL, CDL training and licensing is carried out by the state, not the hiring company.

And youre supposed to do a pre trip and post trip every day. Its on the driver, Ive told swift (trucking company) about how their truck wasnt safe to drive. The boss told me to drive it or Im fired. It sucks I lost that job but its on the driver to make sure the truck is safe to operate.

30 years is fucking absurd for this too. Youre still basically taking this mans entire life away from him at this point, for an accident caused by a bad decision. Hes in his mid 20s, and would be out by his mid 50s

what does society gain by locking this guy up that long, other than satiating your bloodlust?

Talib_21 posted...

The boss told me to drive it or Im fired. It sucks I lost that job but its on the driver to make sure the truck is safe to operate.

My father said he got told to bungie a door shut once. More or less said "fuck that" to his boss, later he was so sick of busted up equipment he told the dot inspector to write the truck up for everything he could. Basically got the truck put out of service to make a point.

TheGoldenEel posted...

30 years is fucking absurd for this too. Youre still basically taking this mans entire life away

You mean like the four lives he ended?

It's not that the judgement and time is wrong for him, it's that it's wrong in comparison for so many other people who hurt and killed other people. If he had a lot of money for defense, it would have turned out differently, regardless of what was deserved. Our cout system is weighted against people who cannot pay money for their crimes and requires the debt of time and flesh

Crazyman93 posted...

You mean like the four lives he ended?

so the bloodlust thing huh

Crazyman93 posted...

My father said he got told to bungie a door shut once. More or less said "fuck that" to his boss, later he was so sick of busted up equipment he told the dot inspector to write the truck up for everything he could. Basically got the truck put out of service to make a point.

Ya you have to do that shit sometimes, companys dont give a fuck. At least here in Kansas youre responsible for whatever you drive. So you better make sure your brakes are holding air tires are good and all that shit before you even leave the lot. Those are 50 thousand pound killing machines if not maintained properly.

Talib_21 posted...

Ya you have to do that shit sometimes, companys dont give a fuck. At least here in Kansas youre responsible for whatever you drive. So you better make sure your brakes are holding air tires are good and all that shit before you even leave the lot. Those are 50 thousand pound killing machines if not maintained properly.

Upward 80,000, yeah. And the driver is ultimately responsible for the rig on the road. He didn't make sure the rig was roadworthy and look what happened.

TheGoldenEel posted...

so the bloodlust thing huh

I doubt you'd be so dismissive if it was your loved one that burned to death because of gross negligence.

^Yep I dont mean to sound like a dick but thats how the trucking business is

Crazyman93 posted...

Upward 80,000, yeah. And the driver is ultimately responsible for the rig on the road. He didn't make sure the rig was roadworthy and look what happened.

I doubt you'd be so dismissive if it was your loved one that burned to death because of gross negligence.

What does society gain by locking this man up for most of his adult life

TheGoldenEel posted...

30 years is fucking absurd for this too. Youre still basically taking this mans entire life away from him at this point, for an accident caused by a bad decision. Hes in his mid 20s, and would be out by his mid 50s

what does society gain by locking this guy up that long, other than satiating your bloodlust?

Shut up.

TheGoldenEel posted...

What does society gain by locking this man up for most of his adult life

It keeps this dangerous idiot off the road for one. LEt's be VERY clear, this was not "one bad decision", this was a series of negligent choices culminating in him steering AWAY from the runaway truck ramp meant to stop this exact sort of accident.

I really want to know what Disney storybook reality people who say "prison is about rehabilitation" live in.

It's not. It never will be. Rehabilitation comes from when they get released, and get told "See how much that fucking sucked? Don't be a piece of shit, or you're coming right back.".

Prison is about punishing people for their crimes, removing dangerous people from civilized society, and as an alternative to the old way of dealing with criminals. You know, hanging them for petty theft.

TheGoldenEel posted...

what does society gain by locking this guy up that long, other than satiating your bloodlust?

The most obvious societal gain will be being able to drive down the road with my loved ones, know that this colossal fuckup won't obliterate us all with a truck.

omega cookie posted...

I really want to know what Disney storybook reality people who say "prison is about rehabilitation" live in.

It's not. It never will be. Rehabilitation comes from when they get released, and get told "See how much that fucking sucked? Don't be a piece of shit, or you're coming right back.".

Prison is about punishing people for their crimes, removing dangerous people from civilized society, and as an alternative to the old way of dealing with criminals. You know, hanging them for petty theft.

The most obvious societal gain will be being able to drive down the road with my loved ones, know that this colossal fuckup won't obliterate us all with a truck.

Instead it will just be his replacement after they dont run a background check on him or check their fucking trucks.

Who gave this guy a faulty truck? Get outta here with this bullshit.

Crazyman93 posted...

It keeps this dangerous idiot off the road for one. LEt's be VERY clear, this was not "one bad decision", this was a series of negligent choices culminating in him steering AWAY from the runaway truck ramp meant to stop this exact sort of accident.

His employer is worse.

MrDrMan posted...

His employer is worse

Okay, that's nice. His employer didn't ignore the fact that his brakes were smoking and becoming unusable. His employer didn't ignore a runaway truck ramp. His employer didn't fail to properly inspect the truck. He was the driver. The responsibility for making sure the truck was operated safely was rested on him the moment he started the engine and put it in gear. Period.

Crazyman93 posted...

Okay, that's nice. His employer didn't ignore the fact that his brakes were smoking and becoming unusable. His employer didn't ignore a runaway truck ramp. His employer didn't fail to properly inspect the truck. He was the driver. The responsibility for making sure the truck was operated safely was rested on him the moment he started the engine and put it in gear. Period.

His employer ignored the fact that the truck wasnt fit to drive in the first place. Vehicle maintenance is the responsibility of the owner.

Saying period doesnt make your point any more valid.

MrDrMan posted...

Vehicle maintenance is the responsibility of the owner.

Abiding safety protocols while on the road is the responsibility of the driver

MrDrMan posted...

His employer ignored the fact that the truck wasnt fit to drive in the first place.

And the driver would have known that if he'd done the pre-trip like he was legally required to. Blaming the employer for things that they did wrong doesn't make the driver innocent of negligent homicide.

voldothegr8 posted...

Abiding safety protocols while on the road is the responsibility of the driver

Before the driver even steps foot into the vehicle it should be safe to drive.

Crazyman93 posted...

And the driver would have known that if he'd done the pre-trip like he was legally required to. Blaming the employer for things that they did wrong doesn't make the driver innocent of negligent homicide.

They are equally to blame. Just be consistent. Youre calling the driver all sorts of names but the people that allowed their vehicle to drive while it had bad brakes you havent said a word about.

Be consistent or quit crying.

MrDrMan posted...

Before the driver even steps foot into the vehicle it should be safe to drive.

Correct, but shit happens on the road. If he had followed safety protocols when recognizing his brakes were falling to shit, nobody would have died.

voldothegr8 posted...

Correct, but shit happens on the road. If he had followed safety protocols when recognizing his brakes were falling to shit, nobody would have died.

Don't bother, that guy is too far gone. The driver could come out and admit he intentionally killed those people just for kicks, and that guy would still be deep throating him while choking out "company bad" from around the base.

110 years seems extreme, 30 years is more reasonable. Hopefully he gets it.

MrDrMan posted...

Before the driver even steps foot into the vehicle it should be safe to drive.

They are equally to blame. Just be consistent. Youre calling the driver all sorts of names but the people that allowed their vehicle to drive while it had bad brakes you havent said a word about.

Be consistent or quit crying.

No they are not equally to blame. The driver has a duty to make sure the vehicle is in fact safe to drive. He failed. And you keep acting like the bad brakes was a maintence issue. If they were smoking on a mountain pass it was from over use. A semi truck has at least two if not three ways to slow down including the air brakes. The fact he continued another 50 miles after he cooked the brakes is 100% his fault. He cooked the brakes to the point he got brake fade that left them useless. Not the company. I am being consistent. Everything that happened in that accident was the driver's fault because of his negligence and incompetence.

omega cookie posted...

Don't bother, that guy is too far gone. The driver could come out and admit he intentionally killed those people just for kicks, and that guy would still be deep throating him while choking out "company bad" from around the base.

You guys are the one bootlicking. I never said the driver is not at fault but the company is equally at fault. If someone crashes in your vehicle due to improper maintenance that is YOUR fault.

Crazyman93 posted...

No they are not equally to blame. The driver has a duty to make sure the vehicle is in fact safe to drive. He failed. And you keep acting like the bad brakes was a maintence issue. If they were smoking on a mountain pass it was from over use. A semi truck has at least two if not three ways to slow down including the air brakes. The fact he continued another 50 miles after he cooked the brakes is 100% his fault. He cooked the brakes to the point he got brake fade that left them useless. Not the company. I am being consistent. Everything that happened in that accident was the driver's fault because of his negligence and incompetence.

Over use? Of fucking brakes? Thats ridiculous. If they can break down that easily then they couldnt have been in good condition to begin with. How do you tell someone to use brakes sparingly? Theyre brakes. You use them when needed.

Good brakes dont wear down that fast from one trip. If they broke down to that point Id guess they were faulty to begin with.

Truckers are striking over this and I trust their opinion over anyone on CE.

MrDrMan posted...

Over use? Of fucking brakes? Thats ridiculous

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_fade
You're wrong, shut up. He over used his brakes instead of other methods of slowing down on a steep grade, and they faded. And then stopped working.

MrDrMan posted...

Good brakes dont wear down that fast from one trip

Spoken like someone who has no idea the difference between stopping a 4000 pound car versus an 80,000 pound loaded semi.

MrDrMan posted...

Truckers are striking over this and I trust their opinion over anyone on CE.

Funny, my father's a trucker and said the driver is guilty as hell and said he was probably an idiot trying to drive a semi truck like a car. And by the way, refusing to enter a state isn't a "strike".

MrDrMan posted...

You guys are the one bootlicking. I never said the driver is not at fault but the company is equally at fault. If someone crashes in your vehicle due to improper maintenance that is YOUR fault.

Over use? Of fucking brakes? Thats ridiculous. If they can break down that easily then they couldnt have been in good condition to begin with. How do you tell someone to use brakes sparingly? Theyre brakes. You use them when needed.

Good brakes dont wear down that fast from one trip. If they broke down to that point Id guess they were faulty to begin with.

Truckers are striking over this and I trust their opinion over anyone on CE.

Theres a reason they have literally stopping points to check brakes. Much like Pikes Peak which has a spot for a MANDATORY brake check. If your brakes are too hot from overuse, they pull you over until they cool down. Overuse of brakes on an incline is 100% a thing.

MrDrMan posted...

Before the driver even steps foot into the vehicle it should be safe to drive.

I mean, it would have been if he had actually completed the mandatory pre-trip check correctly.

Oh, and regardless of why the brakes stopped working, he steered AWAY from the runaway truck ramp, which are on steep mountain grades specifically to prevent the sort of accident he caused. There is no excuse for the four deaths he caused beyond negligence.

daynlokki posted...

Theres a reason they have literally stopping points to check brakes. Much like Pikes Peak which has a spot for a MANDATORY brake check. If your brakes are too hot from overuse, they pull you over until they cool down. Overuse of brakes on an incline is 100% a thing.

And he stopped 50 miles before his brakes "failed" (read: faded from over use), because they were smoking. And he kept going. That careless decision is why he bears full responsibility for this.

MrDrMan posted...

You guys are the one bootlicking. I never said the driver is not at fault but the company is equally at fault. If someone crashes in your vehicle due to improper maintenance that is YOUR fault.

Over use? Of fucking brakes? Thats ridiculous. If they can break down that easily then they couldnt have been in good condition to begin with. How do you tell someone to use brakes sparingly? Theyre brakes. You use them when needed.

Good brakes dont wear down that fast from one trip. If they broke down to that point Id guess they were faulty to begin with.

Truckers are striking over this and I trust their opinion over anyone on CE.

Dude, you are 100% wrong on this.

I've driven that road, the brakes on my goddamn CIVIC were overheating by the end because the first time I didn't understand downshifting.

DrizztLink posted...

I've driven that road, the brakes on my goddamn CIVIC were overheating by the end because the first time I didn't understand downshifting.

And a Honda Civic only weighs about 3000 pounds. Now imagine a big rig in excess of 80,000 pounds.

Crazyman93 posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_fade
You're wrong, shut up. He over used his brakes instead of other methods of slowing down on a steep grade, and they faded. And then stopped working.

Spoken like someone who has no idea the difference between stopping a 4000 pound car versus an 80,000 pound loaded semi.

Funny, my father's a trucker and said the driver is guilty as hell and said he was probably an idiot trying to drive a semi truck like a car. And by the way, refusing to enter a state isn't a "strike".

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/8/9/0/AAVGHuAACv_6.jpg

Nobody gives a shit what your dad said. Do a little research youre embarrassing yourself. How about you actually read the testimonies of the trial?

You admit that there are multiple braking systems yet think its solely the drivers fault they all failed simultaneously. That isnt very smart.

DrizztLink posted...

Dude, you are 100% wrong on this.

I've driven that road, the brakes on my goddamn CIVIC were overheating by the end because the first time I didn't understand downshifting.

Bruh. For the 10th time. Im not saying the driver is at no fault but to claim the brakes failed entirely due to his own negligence is flat out bullshit.

It was likely a combination of negligence on his part and improper maintenance. A third party investigated them and said so himself.

Certain brakes were basically unusable to the point it put strain on the working brakes to the point they failed.

Oooooh. I get it. He's trolling guys. It's and UnfairRepresent clone. It literally all makes sense now.

MrDrMan posted...

Bruh. For the 10th time. Im not saying the driver is at no fault but to claim the brakes failed entirely due to his own negligence is flat out bullshit.

It was likely a combination of negligence on his part and improper maintenance. A third party investigated them and said so himself.

That's not what I'm addressing.

MrDrMan posted...

Over use? Of fucking brakes? Thats ridiculous. If they can break down that easily then they couldnt have been in good condition to begin with. How do you tell someone to use brakes sparingly? Theyre brakes. You use them when needed.

That.

You can 100% burn through your brakes on Wolf Creek, I damn near did it myself.

I'm not talking sentencing or fault or anything else, just that exclusively.

Please bear in mind I'm a completely different person than the ones you've been talking to.

DrizztLink posted...

That's not what I'm addressing.

That.

You can 100% burn through your brakes on Wolf Creek, I damn near did it myself.

I'm not talking sentencing or fault or anything else, just that exclusively.

Please bear in mind I'm a completely different person than the ones you've been talking to.

That only reinforces my point that circumstances out of his control caused the crash. Its not just blind negligence like everyone here is trying to say.