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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:18:26 AM
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https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-driver-illinois-tornado-keep-delivering-lose-job-return-warehouse-2021-12

An Amazon driver was told by her supervisor that she would lose her job if she stopped delivering packages, despite warnings of tornadoes in the area, according to a Bloomberg report.

The delivery driver told Bloomberg that her base was located in Edwardsville, Illinois the same location where six Amazon employees died after a tornado struck a warehouse last week.

Around 80 minutes before the tornado struck the warehouse, the driver sent a message seen and screenshot by Bloomberg to the supervisor saying, "radio's been going off."

The supervisor told her to "just keep delivering," adding that "we can't just call people back for a warning unless Amazon tells us to," according to the text messages cited by Bloomberg. A person with knowledge of the situation confirmed to Bloomberg the authenticity of the messages between the driver and the supervisor.

When the driver sent another message to her supervisor, around 30 minutes later, saying that she could hear tornado alarms, the supervisor replied to say she should continue with her deliveries, per the texts reported by Bloomberg.

The supervisor then sent another message, telling the driver to "shelter in place for now, I just got word from Amazon", per the texts seen by Bloomberg, before adding, "give it about 15-20 minutes and then continue as normal."

The driver then told her supervisor in a subsequent message that she was going to return to base in Edwardsville for her own personal safety, adding that there was no place to shelter near her and the storm would be on top of her in 30 minutes, Bloomberg reported.

"If you decided to come back, that choice is yours. But I can tell you it won't be viewed as for your own safety. The safest practice is to stay exactly where you are. If you decide to return with your packages, it will be viewed as you refusing your route, which will ultimately end with you not having a job come tomorrow morning," the supervisor then wrote in the text to the driver, per Bloomberg.

After a few more text messages, the supervisor told the driver to stop and find shelter in place because a tornado had hit the warehouse and she wouldn't be able to access it, Bloomberg reported.
Amazon didn't immediately respond to Insider's request for comment about the incident.

Now we wait and see how certain users defend this....
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SSJGrimReaper
12/17/21 10:19:17 AM
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this would be good movie concept

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pikachupwnage
12/17/21 10:19:41 AM
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The supervisor and whoever wrote that policy should both be in prison for life. Threatening jobs for wanting to/taking safety measures against imminent natural disasters should be considere the same as attempted murder/murder.

We really need to drastically punish businesses for their abuses instead of slapping them on the wrist.

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Metal_Bug
12/17/21 10:20:00 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi
12/17/21 10:20:14 AM
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Capitalism creates unjustified hierarchies

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CableZL
12/17/21 10:21:00 AM
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I'm glad I decided to turn Amazon down back in 2018.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:23:26 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Capitalism creates unjustified hierarchies

Excuse me I am the boss you do as I say.
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Veggeta_MAX
12/17/21 10:23:28 AM
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A company spokesperson told Bloomberg in a statement that the supervisor didn't follow the standard safety protocols. They should have told the driver to find shelter if the driver could hear tornado sirens, the spokesperson said.
"Under no circumstance should the dispatcher have threatened the driver's employment, and we're investigating the full details of this incident and will take any necessary action," the spokesperson added.

Looks like it was just mainly the supervisor being a dumb fuck. Amazon is claiming that wasn't protocol.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:23:48 AM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Looks like it was just mainly the supervisor being a dumb fuck. Amazon is claiming that wasn't protocol.

HERE WE GO BOYS!
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RchHomieQuanChi
12/17/21 10:24:17 AM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Looks like it was just mainly the supervisor being a dumb fuck. Amazon is claiming that wasn't protocol.

Of course they would claim it's not protocol

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:28:11 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Of course they would claim it's not protocol

His schtick is to defend big corps fyi.
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Veggeta_MAX
12/17/21 10:29:21 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Of course they would claim it's not protocol
Yup, they gotta save face. Just posting the rest of the article so we have a better understanding here. I'm fine with still shitting on Amazon even falsely because they deserve it.

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Veggeta_MAX
12/17/21 10:30:19 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
His schtick is to defend big corps fyi.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79814240

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:31:35 AM
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lol fake vegy I don't hate you

just you had all those capcom can do no wrong threads back in the day despite hating RE4
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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:32:33 AM
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So you didn't read the op?

@Mr_Hangman
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masterpug53
12/17/21 10:32:34 AM
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Not for nothing, but given how things actually turned out, that shitty cold-hearted supervisor / protocol may have ended up saving her life.

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Veggeta_MAX
12/17/21 10:35:35 AM
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WingsOfGood posted...
lol fake vegy I don't hate you

just you had all those capcom can do no wrong threads back in the day despite hating RE4
Yes I only shill for Capcom and sometimes Square mainly as a self admitting fanboy. I call out greedy and scummy business practices all the time. Don't worry I'm not gonna defend Amazon here. It's their dumb ass fault the supervisor didn't know any better.

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Mezcla
12/17/21 10:36:13 AM
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what

but

Terry Crews said amazon is good

did.. did Terry lie?!

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Veggeta_MAX
12/17/21 10:37:11 AM
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Mezcla posted...
what

but

Terry Crews said amazon is good

did.. did Terry lie?!
He did a giant blog on Reddit explaining why he advertised for Amazon. Course I didn't read it because that took much effort.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:37:28 AM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Yes I only shill for Capcom and sometimes Square mainly as a self admitting fanboy. I call out greedy and scummy business practices all the time. Don't worry I'm not gonna defend Amazon here. It's their dumb ass fault the supervisor didn't know any better.

Over the years you shilled for other companies but ok I will take that as your current position. Thanks for not defending amazon.
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JuanCarlos1
12/17/21 10:40:23 AM
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Holy dystopian world

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lZUAL_REBlRTH
12/17/21 10:44:25 AM
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The issue is that the person of the other end is probably in just as bad a place as she is "if you allow people to come back in you will lose your job". The issue is the process and company structure. Not some lowly supervisor. By blaming this guy you're ignoring the real issue. Amazon itself.
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Veggeta_MAX
12/17/21 10:44:51 AM
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Amazon said the supervisor bad advice, though.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 10:48:12 AM
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The supervisor then sent another message, telling the driver to "shelter in place for now, I just got word from Amazon", per the texts seen by Bloomberg, before adding, "give it about 15-20 minutes and then continue as normal."

The driver then told her supervisor in a subsequent message that she was going to return to base in Edwardsville for her own personal safety, adding that there was no place to shelter near her and the storm would be on top of her in 30 minutes, Bloomberg reported.

"If you decided to come back, that choice is yours. But I can tell you it won't be viewed as for your own safety. The safest practice is to stay exactly where you are. If you decide to return with your packages, it will be viewed as you refusing your route, which will ultimately end with you not having a job come tomorrow morning," the supervisor then wrote in the text to the driver, per Bloomberg.

"There is no shelter around here."

"Stay were you are or you are fired"

Mr.Hangman: This is good, I see no issue with this. Go Amazon.
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Zikten
12/17/21 10:48:30 AM
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Purely from a customer perspective, I feel like many people would be angry to have their package delivered during a tornado. It's going to get picked up by the storm and lost.
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Veggeta_MAX
12/17/21 10:55:07 AM
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Zikten posted...
Purely from a customer perspective, I feel like many people would be angry to have their package delivered during a tornado. It's going to get picked up by the storm and lost.
This too.

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CommonGrackle
12/17/21 10:57:31 AM
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yeah I think my delivery can wait the couple hours or so it takes for a tornado warning to pass by.
it's not like I need an organ transplant.

maybe everyone can add a comment to their orders from Amazon: no don't deliver it during a storm, please, it'll just get damaged anyway. thank you.
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RchHomieQuanChi
12/17/21 11:00:11 AM
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Except that isn't what happened at all.

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LightHawKnight
12/17/21 11:02:11 AM
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CommonGrackle posted...
yeah I think my delivery can wait the couple hours or so it takes for a tornado warning to pass by.
it's not like I need an organ transplant.

maybe everyone can add a comment to their orders from Amazon: no don't deliver it during a storm, please, it'll just get damaged anyway. thank you.

Tornado warnings are generally around 10 minutes before the tornado forms. Tornado Watches are what are hours in advance, and in areas with tornados, no one shuts down during watches due to how inaccurate they are. Even schools stay open and pay attention to the weather and if there is a tornado go to shelter, or in a room without windows. If you are caught outside during a warning, do not drive get out of the vehicle and run to the closest shelter and if there are none, find a ditch or low ground lie down and cover your head.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 11:04:06 AM
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From your link:

If you can see the tornado in the distance, NOAA recommends changing course and driving toward a sturdy shelter as soon as you are able

She wanted to drive to a shelter as she said there was no shelter were she was.

The supervisor said that would BE ABANDONING YOUR ROUTE.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 11:08:26 AM
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You are using hindsight to justify telling her to NOT seek a shelter or she would be considered ABANDONING HER ROUTE.

Fyi, he wanted her to stay were she was because then she could continue to deliver said packages.

@Mr_Hangman
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RchHomieQuanChi
12/17/21 11:09:48 AM
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Are you intentionally ignoring the part where the supervisor told her that it'd count as "refusing her route" and she'd be sacked?

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 11:11:00 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Are you intentionally ignoring the part where the supervisor told her that it'd count as "refusing her route" and she'd be sacked?

Yes he is.
Welcome to threads that might suggest big corps aren't so great. This always happens.
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MutantJohn
12/17/21 11:12:26 AM
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Amazon pushing the limits on what modern serfdom will allow, it seems.

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masterpug53
12/17/21 11:12:37 AM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Are you intentionally ignoring the part where the supervisor told her that it'd count as "refusing her route" and she'd be sacked?

This is the crux of it. You could make a case that the supervisor was giving her reasonable protocol-based advice at first, but threatening her job over it completely nullifies that.

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lZUAL_REBlRTH
12/17/21 11:14:52 AM
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It could be the difference to getting home to be with your family or not.
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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 11:15:12 AM
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So now you disagree with your link?

https://weather.com/safety/tornado/news/what-to-do-see-tornado-while-driving

If you can see the tornado in the distance, NOAA recommends changing course and driving toward a sturdy shelter as soon as you are able


She believed the warehouse was shelter. You are using hindsight that amazon cuts costs and thus it was bad shelter to DISAGREE with your own link.

@Mr_Hangman

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Strider102
12/17/21 11:15:12 AM
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That potentially saved her life, especially considering the tornado was rain wrapped and could have driven right into it heading back.

Still a fucked up situation though.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 11:16:15 AM
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@Mr_Hangman

Then why does his superiors at amazon say the disagree and he did not give good advice??
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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 11:17:24 AM
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Strider102 posted...
That potentially saved her life, especially considering the tornado was rain wrapped and could have driven right into it heading back.

Still a fucked up situation though.

yes, but that is hindsight.

Had the warehouse been good shelter this would not be the case.
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divot1338
12/17/21 11:18:56 AM
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Veggeta_MAX posted...
Looks like it was just mainly the supervisor being a dumb fuck. Amazon is claiming that wasn't protocol.
Youd be surprised how many supervisors that work for me are dumbasses.

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RchHomieQuanChi
12/17/21 11:19:15 AM
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No it's not lol.

The supervisor explicitly told her seeking shelter would be considered as refusing her route and that she'd be fired over it.

It's one thing to encourage employees to follow advice for their own safety. But she explicitly had her job threatened over it.

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WingsOfGood
12/17/21 11:19:15 AM
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  1. You don't know the distance she was from the warehouse, you assume it is far because that fits your argument
  2. weather.com says to DRIVE. It literally wants you to turn on the engine and DRIVE to find shelter. You are saying that is BAD advice despite being the one to give that link... smh
  3. Amazon themselves disagrees with this, but your are too deep into the argument now to back down. Just be a real man and admit you are wrong. You are digging a hole.
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