Current Events > Do you still buy into the notion that Bernie could not have defeated Trump?

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Do you and explain why.

Lol no

And I don't wanna

I vaguely remember leaked audio of Trump concerned with the prospect of running against Bernie.

Elmer_Glue posted...

I vaguely remember leaked audio of Trump concerned with the prospect of running against Bernie.

Trump believing he could beat Bernie means it must be true?

I think Bernie could've had a clean win in 2016.

2020 would've been harder, as a decent chunk of the "fuck the establishment" voters had been securely absorbed into the Trump cult. Biden's appeal was a return to "normalcy", which is stupid, but probably what won him the election, and isn't something Bernie was running on.

Remember when libs were like "He'll have a heart attack" I don't think Kira was after him.

No, the real world is not reddit

He 100% no doubt would have loss.

Because

g980 posted...

the real world is not reddit

Like it or not, moderate voters determine elections. Bernie was not a moderate candidate

Trump was in a uniquely weak position where the election was less about who was running as a democrat and more about being a referendum on the current administration. Joe Biden barely campaigned and spent the debates and a great deal of his press time looking like mister magoo and still won handily. It would have taken a uniquely terrible candidate to not win that election

If Bernie did lose to Trump it'd be because the media, wealthy elite, and political establishment chose to rally behind his opponent, which is why he lost to Biden to begin with.

You'd see stuff like a contested convention at the DNC and Bloomberg running independent, all explicitly to keep a progressive populist out of office.

He would drop out of the race after he though he milked all the money from woke college kids that he could. Just like he always does.

Hoodroar posted...

If Bernie did lose to Trump it'd be because the media, wealthy elite, and political establishment chose to rally behind his opponent

... or because the vast majority of the US do not agree with his socialism ideals.

Of course not. Bernie getting fucked by the DNC only proves that the two real parties in this country are billionaires and everyone else. Why else would they railroad a clearly better candidate?

Flauros posted...

He would drop out of the race after he though he milked all the money from woke college kids that he could. Just like he always does.

Is it really and truly appropriate to call people in college, kids?

nexigrams posted...

Why else would they railroad a clearly better candidate?

What makes Bernie better?

ArchHero posted...

Is it really and truly appropriate to call people in college, kids?

Yes. Thats how a lot of them act.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Like it or not, moderate voters determine elections. Bernie was not a moderate candidate

Trump wasn't and isn't a moderate himself.

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

... or because the vast majority of the US do not agree with his socialism ideals.

Bernie was consistently polled to beat Trump in both 2016 and 2020 despite everyone knowing he's a democratic socialist. The only way he'd lose that lead is if the political world threw its weight behind Trump.

Hoodroar posted...

Bernie was consistently polled to beat Trump in both 2016 and 2020 despite everyone knowing he's a democratic socialist.

Were they by the same people who said Clinton was going to win 99% of the time? Bernie Sanders stood no chance in an actual election. America will never turn to socialism, sorry that you had to hear it from me.

Covid largely ruined Trump's campaign.

Solid Snake07 posted...

He 100% no doubt would have loss.

Because

Like it or not, moderate voters determine elections. Bernie was not a moderate candidate

Trump is a moderate candidate?

Yes, because he couldn't even beat Hillary in his own party.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Yes, because he couldn't even beat Hillary in his own party.

He didn't beat Hilary because the establishment went balls deep into supporting her. Nobody would have upset her that year.

bernie could beat trump

but bernie couldn't win over his own party. ever. they would never, ever give him a chance to run. so it doesn't matter if he could or not, he would never be given the opportunity.

I believe he couldn't, and likely still can't, win a Democratic Primary.

The rest is mostly irrelevant, as if you can't garner enough support to get the nomination, how you would theoretically do in the big election means fuck all.

No, those 6 Berniebros that voted Trump would've still voted Trump and gave him the election.

I think Bernie loses to Trump twice and I donated to Bernie and voted for him every chance I had. I just think this country is not progressive at all. We talk about progressive ideas and all that but when the voting actually occurs we're still a center-right country as a whole.

If we're talking about 2016, then it's not like putting him in could've made the outcome any worse.

If we're talking about 2020, I'm pretty sure at that point a literal rat could've beaten Trump.

Anyone besides Hilary could have beaten him. Bernie was a pariah in his own party though.

I think Bernie had a better chance than Hilary. I would have voted for Bernie. I would have voted against Hilary regardless of her opponent.

Bernie would have lost in 2016, though he may have had a chance in 2020

Bernie would not have won because Republicans and Democrats are both capitalists. The only way a social or democratic socialist can win is by going third party.

That would mean forfeiting the next election to Republicans since the party would be taking votes away from Democrats. The election after that would likely have the same results. After that, Democrats would have to accept that they're going to have go to socialist to win.

It's an "it will get worse before it gets better" scenario, but you'll have to do it if you ever want to see socialism in America. Right now, socialists are losing 100% of elections. So what really do they have to lose from this scenario? (Please wait until Trump is no longer running though. I don't want to see him win by default.)

SomeLikeItHoth posted...

Were they by the same people who said Clinton was going to win 99% of the time?

Hillary barely lost, and Bernie polled better than her.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

Yes, because he couldn't even beat Hillary in his own party.

Bernie isn't a Democrat. He's an independent who ran for the Dem. nomination because their policies are the closest to his of the two big parties. Of course he'd lose the primaries to Democratic leaders.