Current Events > Succession season finale was wild *spoilers*

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Had a little bit of hope when the kids were in the car on the way to Logan. Should have known better. Tom is a sneaky mfer

Tom did what he had to do. I don't blame him in the slightest. The only two people ever really to show they care about him are Greg and at one small point which turns out was important, Logan. Tom did nothing wrong.

I feel like I couldn't tell if Siobhan knew or not. She was angry and pissed and when Tom put his hand on her she looked a little more angry and pissed but it wasn't really clear.

I can't wait for Greg to have 20 of his own Gregs

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

I feel like I couldn't tell if Siobhan knew or not. She was angry and pissed and when Tom put his hand on her she looked a little more angry and pissed but it wasn't really clear.

pretty sure she knew. Tom stabbing her in the back and then going over to console her was such a Succession moment

Somehow I didn't even realize what he was doing even when he told Greg that he'd bring him with him to the "bottom of the top". But when Shiv asked who fucked them and Tom walked in I was really surprised. It makes sense. I just don't know what they're going to do in season 4 to regain control

Greg's journey has been fuckin wild

PatrickMahomes posted...

Greg's journey has been fuckin wild

I fully expect him to be the one in charge when the show ends

YookaLaylee posted...

Somehow I didn't even realize what he was doing even when he told Greg that he'd bring him with him to the "bottom of the top". But when Shiv asked who fucked them and Tom walked in I was really surprised. It makes sense. I just don't know what they're going to do in season 4 to regain control

I thought it was pretty subtle. Others have said it was obvious. When Logan said hi to Tom when he arrived I thought it might just be a regular hello. I watched it again and when you know you're looking for it it's kind of obvious. They said in the stuff after the credits that it's heavily implied Tom was the one who called Logan.

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

I thought it was pretty subtle. Others have said it was obvious. When Logan said hi to Tom when he arrived I thought it might just be a regular hello. I watched it again and when you know you're looking for it it's kind of obvious. They said in the stuff after the credits that it's heavily implied Tom was the one who called Logan.

Personally enough I thought it was obvious, not so much with how the hello was, but moreso because the conversation was like "but wait, who could've possibly told him?" only for the camera to immediately cut over to tom and logan saying hello

YookaLaylee posted...

I fully expect him to be the one in charge when the show ends

Would be funny but I actually think he's going to get what's coming to him. He started innocent enough, got better at blackmail (like when he told kendall he knew about cruises at shiv's wedding), and now is going full-on "i'm going to date this duchess because this reporter isn't good enough for me"

his ego is getting way inflated and it's gonna pop at some point next season

Greg's entire demeanor last episode was fucking hilarious. he talked with a more "uppity" tone. dude is a stellar actor.

I just remembered.... what's coming of the plotline about Logan trying to have a kid with his assistant?

Was Connor just fucking with his siblings? Or is Logan really trying to have another kid, because they all freaked out thinking he was trying to have a new heir but if he's selling the company than it doesn't matter. I know they were trying to use it as proof that he's going crazy but it seemed kind of weird to just drop it.

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

Was Connor just fucking with his siblings?

i don't think so. we specifically saw Logan drinking a smoothie earlier in the episode, i don't think we would have been shown that if Connor was just trolling.

we've seen that Logan is displeased with how his kids have turned out. maybe he's trying to have a child that lives up to his expectations?

regardless of Logan's intentions, it rallied the three siblings together.

it's not confirmed that tom was the one that sold the kids out. if it is, it's super weird that shiv didn't realize it and acted like everything was just normal....

ScofieldReturns posted...

it's not confirmed that tom was the one that sold the kids out.

not confirmed but HEAVILY implied.

the way the camera panned to Logan placing his hand on Tom's shoulder when someone asked "who could have done this?"

the whole thing about Nero with Tom and Greg. Nero killed his wife then castrated and married his assistant or whatever. Tom specifically mentioned that castrated assistant when he offered Greg the spot "at the bottom of the top"

ScofieldReturns posted...

it's super weird that shiv didn't realize it and acted like everything was just normal....

bro, she was heartbroken. she was absolutely crushed.

SparkClark posted...

not confirmed but HEAVILY implied.

the way the camera panned to Logan placing his hand on Tom's shoulder when someone asked "who could have done this?"

the whole thing about Nero with Tom and Greg. Nero killed his wife then castrated and married his assistant or whatever. Tom specifically mentioned that castrated assistant when he offered Greg the spot "at the bottom of the top"

bro, she was heartbroken. she was absolutely crushed.

oh don't get me wrong, i realize it was heavily implied. just seems super strange to heavily imply it instead of outright state it at this point, so i think the writers could be up to something

i'll have to rewatch her interaction with tom at the end again, but it seemed like her heartbreak had nothing to do with tom

at that point, who knew about the kids' plan and who else could it have been? we see Shiv telling Tom over the phone. i guess it could have been the driver of the car?

ScofieldReturns posted...

it's not confirmed that tom was the one that sold the kids out. if it is, it's super weird that shiv didn't realize it and acted like everything was just normal....

It is and she didnt. Did you see the rage on her face when she saw Logan pat Tom on the shoulder and in the shot before the credits roll? It was Tom and theyve been laying it out all season.

How did Logan know to send donuts to Ravas apartment in episode 2? Tom told him they were all there.

Then theres this quote from episode 6, My hunch is that youre going to get fucked. Because Ive seen you get fucked a lot. And Ive never seen Logan get fucked once.

Almost every conversation Tom and Shiv have this season, Shiv is talking about how shell position herself and when Tom asks where he fits into her vision, she never has an answer and treats him like an afterthought. Tom finally realized Shiv isnt on his team and so he made a move to save himself.

ScofieldReturns posted...

it's not confirmed that tom was the one that sold the kids out. if it is, it's super weird that shiv didn't realize it and acted like everything was just normal....

I think I mentioned it above but if you watch the post show stuff that's directly after the credits one of the creators/writers or whoever mentioned it's heavily implied. So yeah I guess it isn't really confirmed if they could retcon it next season if they want.

Edit: Although now that I'm looking to screen grab it I can't find it. I swear it was directly after the episode there was a couple minute short video about inside the episode. It's no longer directly after the credits when you play the episode and I can't find their behind the scenes stuff on the website.

SparkClark posted...

at that point, who knew about the kids' plan and who else could it have been? we see Shiv telling Tom over the phone. i guess it could have been the driver of the car?

connor also knew. roman gave him the call but not all the details, combined with connor's blowup earlier in the ep about being "the older one". it's very "godfather" which is also mirrored in that end scene

this would also set up the continuation of the theme that each season is centered on a different kid:
s1: kendall
s2: shiv
s3: roman
s4: connor?

shiv seemed mad in general, if her anger was directed at tom, feels like she would have let him have it

for the record, i do think it was tom. there's that line in ep 6 about logan never getting fucked which has stuck in my head. then tom says he wants to look after greg and take him all the way to the "bottom of the top", which obviously isn't where he would be according to shiv's (nonexistent) vision

i just find it odd we didn't get explicit confirmation here

SparkClark posted...

i don't think so. we specifically saw Logan drinking a smoothie earlier in the episode, i don't think we would have been shown that if Connor was just trolling.

we've seen that Logan is displeased with how his kids have turned out. maybe he's trying to have a child that lives up to his expectations?

regardless of Logan's intentions, it rallied the three siblings together.

Logan trying to have another kid is stupid.

I can see his assistant trying to get pregnant thou.

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

Tom did what he had to do. I don't blame him in the slightest. The only two people ever really to show they care about him are Greg and at one small point which turns out was important, Logan. Tom did nothing wrong.

I feel like the scene from where Tom says he's willing to do a prison bid for Logan up until the season finale, Logan's been fully on board with Tom.

There was even that little comment of Logan saying he wouldn't forget what Tom offered a few episodes back. Aside from maybe Gerri, Tom's been the most selfless-for-the-good-of-the-company.

Damn, Kendall brought out the feels in this one. I knew his guilt would catch up to him, and confessing to Shiv and Roman mustve been cathartic in a way even though he hates them.

Amazing way to set up season 4 with Skarsgard in charge. I think this is the first time the three siblings have been on the same side.

WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

Tom did what he had to do. I don't blame him in the slightest. The only two people ever really to show they care about him are Greg and at one small point which turns out was important, Logan. Tom did nothing wrong.

I feel like I couldn't tell if Siobhan knew or not. She was angry and pissed and when Tom put his hand on her she looked a little more angry and pissed but it wasn't really clear.

What was the moment with Logan?

StarsOfCCTV posted...

What was the moment with Logan?

When Tom tells Logan he's willing to take a bid for him, Logan is genuinely surprised and says he's very grateful and that it won't come to that.

When they are in the restroom during his medical issue, Logan accidentally calls him son which is probably the first time in the show Tom has ever been referred to as family.

And when it's become apparent that Kendall's case isn't that strong and that no one is facing prison time, Logan whispers in Tom's ear that he won't forget about what he promised.

It wasn't really one small moment but spread out through the season that Logan's been warming up to Tom since he cares about the business and is much more loyal to the idea of family than Logan's children.