Current Events > Waitress fired for not sharing 4,400 tip. Was the tip hot?!?

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Ruvan22 12/12/21 6:14:19 PM #101:	Simp posted... FoH makes roughly $20-25/hour on average at my diner in tips alone, in addition to the $5.50/hour base rate. They are thrilled to rely on the kindness of the people they serve. They would be pissed if they had to work for a flat rate like the BoH, because they would make way less money. I can't comment on Canada because I don't know anything about it, but the massive inequality between FoH and BoH needs to be addressed because it's completely understandable and human to be jealous when you see somebody working beside you doing less work and making 2x as much money while being far easier to replace. End tip culture, not because servers are being exploited but because the BoH is. Yeah, turns out she got even more than hers. She got the full $2,200 and then got another $8,732 from the fundraiser (https://www.gofundme.com/f/Waitress-Fired-after-100-Dinner-Club). That's probably about five months of work for the people in the back who did more for that table than she did. Not doubting you but are there any national stats or information about FoH versus BoH rates? Do they exclude chefs that are trained as I imagine their services come at a higher price. <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:960858236] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Simp posted... </cite> <quote>FoH makes roughly $20-25/hour on average at my diner in tips alone, in addition to the $5.50/hour base rate. They are thrilled to rely on the kindness of the people they serve. They would be pissed if they had to work for a flat rate like the BoH, because they would make way less money. I can't comment on Canada because I don't know anything about it, but the massive inequality between FoH and BoH needs to be addressed because it's completely understandable and human to be jealous when you see somebody working beside you doing less work and making 2x as much money while being far easier to replace. End tip culture, not because servers are being exploited but because the BoH is. Yeah, turns out she got even more than hers. She got the full $2,200 and then got another $8,732 from the fundraiser (https://www.gofundme.com/f/Waitress-Fired-after-100-Dinner-Club). That's probably about five months of work for the people in the back who did more for that table than she did.</quote>Not doubting you but are there any national stats or information about FoH versus BoH rates? Do they exclude chefs that are trained as I imagine their services come at a higher price. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 12/12/21 6:17:24 PM #102:	Fuck that, it's her tip. You can't just institute tip sharing because someone left a large tip --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960858303] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Fuck that, it's her tip. You can't just institute tip sharing because someone left a large tip </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 12/12/21 6:18:08 PM #103:	darkprince45 posted... When they left, the restaurant demanded she keep 20 percent, and hand over the rest to the manager. For him to distribute to everyone. this is illegal lol <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:960858323] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>darkprince45 posted... </cite> <quote>When they left, the restaurant demanded she keep 20 percent, and hand over the rest to the manager. For him to distribute to everyone.</quote>this is illegal lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 12/12/21 6:20:56 PM #104:	Ruvan22 posted... Not doubting you but are there any national stats or information about FoH versus BoH rates? Do they exclude chefs that are trained as I imagine their services come at a higher price. depends solely on the restaurant when i worked at blackberry farm tipping was not encouraged and our servers started at $15/hr with line cooks having similar rates, with sous chef/exec chef/exec pastry/sous pastry being salaried, managerial positions generally speaking, servers will always be making more than hourly line cooks due to tipping culture <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:960858389] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>Not doubting you but are there any national stats or information about FoH versus BoH rates? Do they exclude chefs that are trained as I imagine their services come at a higher price.</quote>depends solely on the restaurant when i worked at blackberry farm tipping was not encouraged and our servers started at $15/hr with line cooks having similar rates, with sous chef/exec chef/exec pastry/sous pastry being salaried, managerial positions generally speaking, servers will always be making more than hourly line cooks due to tipping culture </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perascamin 12/13/21 2:13:35 AM #105:	If a server doesn't make over the minimum state wage for their day of work, they're paid out the difference. They're only paid those low hourly wages of $2.50/etc when they're making enough tip money that it's not important. But social media has done an exceptional job at making people believe that being a server is the most stressful and skilled job in the entire world that even the thought of NOT tipping for a server who ignores you and food that sucks is considered to make you a shitty person In fact, social media has thousands of posts dedicated to tipping absurd amounts for horrible service. "Maybe they were just having a bad day, giving them a 150% tip for horrible service is a good idea" It's completely asinine and what's happened from these "feel good" social media settings that are crested not out of the goodness in someone's heart, but for likes on social media, is convince shitty unskilled workers that they are ENTITLED to a customer's money even though the restaurant is going to pay them the minimum state wage if some stranger doesn't bless their wallet. And then you all always say WeLl TheY doNT MaKE a LiVinG WagE like the back of house isn't averaging $14/hr, an unlivable wage, while front of house is likely easily clearing $22/hour, some of which is untaxed, because of customer guilt and expectation. Anyone who ever says end tipping and give servers the same wage as back of house is doing so in a shitty bad faith argument because if that ever happened server's would be making significantly less money and everyone knows it --- I've grown. <cite>Perascamin posted [p:960869368] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>If a server doesn't make over the minimum state wage for their day of work, they're paid out the difference. They're only paid those low hourly wages of $2.50/etc when they're making enough tip money that it's not important. But social media has done an exceptional job at making people believe that being a server is the most stressful and skilled job in the entire world that even the thought of NOT tipping for a server who ignores you and food that sucks is considered to make you a shitty person In fact, social media has thousands of posts dedicated to tipping absurd amounts for horrible service. "Maybe they were just having a bad day, giving them a 150% tip for horrible service is a good idea" It's completely asinine and what's happened from these "feel good" social media settings that are crested not out of the goodness in someone's heart, but for likes on social media, is convince shitty unskilled workers that they are ENTITLED to a customer's money even though the restaurant is going to pay them the minimum state wage if some stranger doesn't bless their wallet. And then you all always say WeLl TheY doNT MaKE a LiVinG WagE like the back of house isn't averaging $14/hr, an unlivable wage, while front of house is likely easily clearing $22/hour, some of which is untaxed, because of customer guilt and expectation. Anyone who ever says end tipping and give servers the same wage as back of house is doing so in a shitty bad faith argument because if that ever happened server's would be making significantly less money and everyone knows it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Payzmaykr 12/13/21 2:17:17 AM #106:	No, I would have pocketed the tip knowing they would fire me. Its easier for a food worker to find a new job than it is for the business to find another worker nowadays. Its the only leverage theyve got working for them. Thats easily two to three months worth of pay for a waitress. You know the manager would have taken a portion of it, too. --- So long, Thanks for all the fish! <cite>Payzmaykr posted [p:960869428] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>No, I would have pocketed the tip knowing they would fire me. Its easier for a food worker to find a new job than it is for the business to find another worker nowadays. Its the only leverage theyve got working for them. Thats easily two to three months worth of pay for a waitress. You know the manager would have taken a portion of it, too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Simp 12/13/21 6:00:41 AM #107:	Ruvan22 posted... Not doubting you but are there any national stats or information about FoH versus BoH rates? Do they exclude chefs that are trained as I imagine their services come at a higher price. There are, but it's notoriously difficult to pin down tip amounts since a lot of them are still in cash and go unreported. Hell, when I was serving I tried claiming exactly what I was making to the cent and the owner manually went through and adjusted them down to match the levels of the other servers so as not to draw attention. As such, studies of tipped worker income tend to be all over the place depending on methodology. There have been some studies looking at the tip credit, that all seem to suggest paying servers the real minimum wage would cost them money. When Maine tried to eliminate the tax credit a few years back, tipped workers themselves were front and center in bringing it back. As New York tries to eliminate the tax credit, the hospitality industry remains unaffected as tipped workers express concerns about loss of income. https://epionline.org/app/uploads/2021/02/210204_EPI_PolicyMemo_TheCaseForTheTipCreditFinal_-1.pdf https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2016/adrm/carra-wp-2016-03.pdf https://minimumwage.com/2021/08/even-with-a-new-governor-ending-the-tip-credit-would-still-harm-new-yorks-restaurant-employees/ --- Faceless goofus in a sea of alts <cite>Simp posted [p:960871641] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>Not doubting you but are there any national stats or information about FoH versus BoH rates? Do they exclude chefs that are trained as I imagine their services come at a higher price.</quote>There are, but it's notoriously difficult to pin down tip amounts since a lot of them are still in cash and go unreported. Hell, when I was serving I tried claiming exactly what I was making to the cent and the owner manually went through and adjusted them down to match the levels of the other servers so as not to draw attention. As such, studies of tipped worker income tend to be all over the place depending on methodology. There have been some studies looking at the tip credit, that all seem to suggest paying servers the real minimum wage would cost them money. When Maine tried to eliminate the tax credit a few years back, tipped workers themselves were front and center in bringing it back. As New York tries to eliminate the tax credit, the hospitality industry remains unaffected as tipped workers express concerns about loss of income. https://epionline.org/app/uploads/2021/02/210204_EPI_PolicyMemo_TheCaseForTheTipCreditFinal_-1.pdf https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/working-papers/2016/adrm/carra-wp-2016-03.pdf https://minimumwage.com/2021/08/even-with-a-new-governor-ending-the-tip-credit-would-still-harm-new-yorks-restaurant-employees/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GALA462 12/13/21 6:09:30 AM #108:	Tip sharing is bullshit --- Mac Book Pro 16 - 6-Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz - 32gb DDR4 2667 MHz - Radeon Pro 5500M 8gb - 2TB Apple SSD Now Playing: Metroid Dread, Tales of Arise, Dead By Daylight <cite>GALA462 posted [p:960871722] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Tip sharing is bullshit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EzeDoesIt 12/13/21 9:17:54 AM #109:	Simp posted... There have been some studies looking at the tip credit, that all seem to suggest paying servers the real minimum wage would cost them money. Just anecdotally speaking, yeah, when I was a server I would have made probably 1/5th the money I made had they removed tips and forced us into making minimum wage. --- "Beef is when I quote you, guaranteed to break the TOU." -The Notorious Shablagoo <cite>EzeDoesIt posted [p:960874084] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Simp posted... </cite> <quote>There have been some studies looking at the tip credit, that all seem to suggest paying servers the real minimum wage would cost them money.</quote> Just anecdotally speaking, yeah, when I was a server I would have made probably 1/5th the money I made had they removed tips and forced us into making minimum wage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lZUAL_REBlRTH 12/13/21 9:24:02 AM #110:	You shouldnt be able to pay people less than minimum wage with the idea tips make up the shortfall AND insist any tips they get are shared with the company. Pick one or the other. <cite>lZUAL_REBlRTH posted [p:960874198] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>You shouldnt be able to pay people less than minimum wage with the idea tips make up the shortfall AND insist any tips they get are shared with the company. Pick one or the other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lZUAL_REBlRTH 12/13/21 9:24:43 AM #111:	EzeDoesIt posted... Just anecdotally speaking, yeah, when I was a server I would have made probably 1/5th the money I made had they removed tips and forced us into making minimum wage. Why not both? <cite>lZUAL_REBlRTH posted [p:960874208] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>EzeDoesIt posted... </cite> <quote>Just anecdotally speaking, yeah, when I was a server I would have made probably 1/5th the money I made had they removed tips and forced us into making minimum wage.</quote> Why not both? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EzeDoesIt 12/13/21 9:35:58 AM #112:	lZUAL_REBlRTH posted... Why not both? Im fine with both, just saying from a personal standpoint I much preferred making ~$20/hr as a server than when they put me in the kitchen where I made $7.25/hr. --- "Beef is when I quote you, guaranteed to break the TOU." -The Notorious Shablagoo <cite>EzeDoesIt posted [p:960874409] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>lZUAL_REBlRTH posted... </cite> <quote>Why not both?</quote> Im fine with both, just saying from a personal standpoint I much preferred making ~$20/hr as a server than when they put me in the kitchen where I made $7.25/hr. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OudeGeuze 12/13/21 10:57:09 AM #113:	Payzmaykr posted... You know the manager would have taken a portion of it, too. Super illegal <cite>OudeGeuze posted [p:960875974] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Payzmaykr posted... </cite> <quote>You know the manager would have taken a portion of it, too.</quote>Super illegal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrDrMan 12/13/21 11:01:48 AM #114:	Payzmaykr posted... No, I would have pocketed the tip knowing they would fire me. Its easier for a food worker to find a new job than it is for the business to find another worker nowadays. Its the only leverage theyve got working for them. Thats easily two to three months worth of pay for a waitress. You know the manager would have taken a portion of it, too. Ive seen waiters clear 70k. --- Pimpin aint easy Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:960876073] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Payzmaykr posted... </cite> <quote>No, I would have pocketed the tip knowing they would fire me. Its easier for a food worker to find a new job than it is for the business to find another worker nowadays. Its the only leverage theyve got working for them. Thats easily two to three months worth of pay for a waitress. You know the manager would have taken a portion of it, too.</quote> Ive seen waiters clear 70k. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Simp 12/13/21 4:54:45 PM #115:	EzeDoesIt posted... Just anecdotally speaking, yeah, when I was a server I would have made probably 1/5th the money I made had they removed tips and forced us into making minimum wage. Ah, I think I phrased it badly. I mean if they removed the tip credit, not tips themselves. As in forced employers to pay them minimum wage. My understanding (though granted I'm kind of stupid and it's difficult reading) is that their conclusion was that raising them to minimum wage (and letting the customers know as much) would take enough out of their tips that they wouldn't actually net more money. It seems to me that if they broke even (+employer money, -tip money) they would still theoretically lose slightly given their wages are harder to under-report than tips. I think it's an interesting study. --- Faceless goofus in a sea of alts <cite>Simp posted [p:960884778] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>EzeDoesIt posted... </cite> <quote>Just anecdotally speaking, yeah, when I was a server I would have made probably 1/5th the money I made had they removed tips and forced us into making minimum wage.</quote>Ah, I think I phrased it badly. I mean if they removed the tip credit, not tips themselves. As in forced employers to pay them minimum wage. My understanding (though granted I'm kind of stupid and it's difficult reading) is that their conclusion was that raising them to minimum wage (and letting the customers know as much) would take enough out of their tips that they wouldn't actually net more money. It seems to me that if they broke even (+employer money, -tip money) they would still theoretically lose slightly given their wages are harder to under-report than tips. I think it's an interesting study. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 12/13/21 5:07:12 PM #116:	MrDrMan posted... Ive seen waiters clear 70k. You've never seen a waiter at an obscure restaurant in AK clear 70k <cite>Axiom posted [p:960885044] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>MrDrMan posted... </cite> <quote>Ive seen waiters clear 70k.</quote>You've never seen a waiter at an obscure restaurant in AK clear 70k </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 12/13/21 5:32:48 PM #117:	MrDrMan posted... Ive seen waiters clear 70k. https://media.tenor.com/images/12a7c3c7159b7f72502d3f1af45f2a2d/tenor.gif --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:960885714] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>MrDrMan posted... </cite> <quote>Ive seen waiters clear 70k.</quote>https://media.tenor.com/images/12a7c3c7159b7f72502d3f1af45f2a2d/tenor.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrDrMan 12/13/21 8:16:01 PM #118:	Bishop9800 posted... https://media.tenor.com/images/12a7c3c7159b7f72502d3f1af45f2a2d/tenor.gif https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/6/7/AAVGHuAACsWv.jpg Heres a stub from when I was still serving. Gross $2300. Doesnt include cash tips. I probably made $3000 this pay period before tax. Its not hard at all. Good waiters make bank. People were making 50k easily at TopGolf. --- Pimpin aint easy Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:960890093] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted... </cite> <quote>https://media.tenor.com/images/12a7c3c7159b7f72502d3f1af45f2a2d/tenor.gif</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/6/7/AAVGHuAACsWv.jpg Heres a stub from when I was still serving. Gross $2300. Doesnt include cash tips. I probably made $3000 this pay period before tax. Its not hard at all. Good waiters make bank. People were making 50k easily at TopGolf. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkprince45 12/13/21 8:32:31 PM #119:	Yeah I used to make like 200 bucks in tips a night. In a slow place --- https://s6.gifyu.com/images/FAA2F70E-9A97-44BC-A273-317FBB843AE2.gif <cite>darkprince45 posted [p:960890537] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I used to make like 200 bucks in tips a night. In a slow place </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeGuyUO 12/14/21 1:02:32 PM #121:	It turns of the restaurant owners wanted to use part of the $4000 tip to pay the other employees/servers a "Christmas bonus" so it didn't come out of the restaurant money. They also wanted to use the money to throw a Christmas party. <cite>SomeGuyUO posted [p:960909034] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>It turns of the restaurant owners wanted to use part of the $4000 tip to pay the other employees/servers a "Christmas bonus" so it didn't come out of the restaurant money. They also wanted to use the money to throw a Christmas party. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkprince45 12/14/21 1:17:10 PM #122:	SomeGuyUO posted... It turns of the restaurant owners wanted to use part of the $4000 tip to pay the other employees/servers a "Christmas bonus" so it didn't come out of the restaurant money. They also wanted to use the money to throw a Christmas party. even worse --- https://s6.gifyu.com/images/FAA2F70E-9A97-44BC-A273-317FBB843AE2.gif <cite>darkprince45 posted [p:960909457] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>SomeGuyUO posted... </cite> <quote>It turns of the restaurant owners wanted to use part of the $4000 tip to pay the other employees/servers a "Christmas bonus" so it didn't come out of the restaurant money. They also wanted to use the money to throw a Christmas party.</quote>even worse </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 12/14/21 1:24:36 PM #123:	I feel like if I got a tip like that it would be super awkward to not share it with my coworkers and them still know about it. Like, if I was gonna keep the whole thing then I'd go ahead and start looking for a new job, because those people aren't going to treat you the same now --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:960909686] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>I feel like if I got a tip like that it would be super awkward to not share it with my coworkers and them still know about it. Like, if I was gonna keep the whole thing then I'd go ahead and start looking for a new job, because those people aren't going to treat you the same now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 12/14/21 3:17:36 PM #124:	darkprince45 posted... even worse --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:960913075] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>darkprince45 posted... </cite> <quote>even worse</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheChariot 12/15/21 4:52:36 PM #125:	SomeGuyUO posted... It turns of the restaurant owners wanted to use part of the $4000 tip to pay the other employees/servers a "Christmas bonus" so it didn't come out of the restaurant money. They also wanted to use the money to throw a Christmas party. Human. Filth. --- The Others are out there! Conservatives do not think right! They are anti-vax, anti-mask, and anti-social distancing. The pandemic has killed 800,000 Americans! <cite>TheChariot posted [p:960945061] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>SomeGuyUO posted...</cite> <quote>It turns of the restaurant owners wanted to use part of the $4000 tip to pay the other employees/servers a "Christmas bonus" so it didn't come out of the restaurant money. They also wanted to use the money to throw a Christmas party. </quote> Human. Filth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheChariot 12/15/21 4:54:10 PM #126:	eston posted... I feel like if I got a tip like that it would be super awkward to not share it with my coworkers and them still know about it. Like, if I was gonna keep the whole thing then I'd go ahead and start looking for a new job, because those people aren't going to treat you the same now Pfft. Unless they try to mug you, I couldn't care less. And nobody got a $4,400 tip. The total tip was $4,400, split between 2 people. --- The Others are out there! Conservatives do not think right! They are anti-vax, anti-mask, and anti-social distancing. The pandemic has killed 800,000 Americans! <cite>TheChariot posted [p:960945114] in Waitress f... [t:79806813]...</cite> <quote>eston posted...</cite> <quote>I feel like if I got a tip like that it would be super awkward to not share it with my coworkers and them still know about it. Like, if I was gonna keep the whole thing then I'd go ahead and start looking for a new job, because those people aren't going to treat you the same now </quote> Pfft. Unless they try to mug you, I couldn't care less. And nobody got a $4,400 tip. The total tip was $4,400, split between 2 people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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