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Questionmarktarius
12/10/21 5:12:34 AM
#153:


indica posted...
Bubblegum would be interesting--I'd take an anime reboot actually--but what's that got to do with Bladerunner?
Bladerunner is the same plot as Bubblegum Crisis. I think they both have a "Priss".
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bloodyarts
12/10/21 6:16:29 AM
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Blade Runner was the direct inspiration behind Bubblegum Crisis, hence one of the Saber Knights being named Priss, and her band named The Replicants.
Actually, Blade Runner inspired quite a few 80s anime, as well as the game, Snatcher.

https://www.cbr.com/best-anime-blade-runner-inspired/

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2017-10-06/blade-runner-unbelievable-influence-on-anime/.122391
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY
12/10/21 6:41:40 AM
#155:


UnholyMudcrab posted...
It's been in development since 2017. 4 years, just to be canceled in 3 weeks.
They should have not fucked it up, just because they spent 4 years doesnt mean it was 4 years making a quality product which clearly this was not.

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Garth_Marenghi
12/10/21 7:37:18 AM
#156:


Guerrilla Soldier posted...
there's a reason i liked the original.
then you keep watching the original. you dont watch something that is specifically an "adaptation" of the original themes thinking it will be 1:1.

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Garth_Marenghi
12/10/21 7:37:43 AM
#157:


RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
They should have not fucked it up, just because they spent 4 years doesnt mean it was 4 years making a quality product which clearly this was not.
yeah they didnt spend "4 years making this" its just been in limbo for 4 years.

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Sheiky-Baby
12/10/21 8:06:07 AM
#158:


Whoever wrote the dialogues for this should never get another job again in the entertainment industry. Bebop Netflix is dead, but the "You're black, and you're male" line will forever live in infamy, and laughed at forevermore.

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indica
12/10/21 8:29:12 AM
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I think most are agreed that the writing is what killed the show. As a writer myself, I can tell you how we're at the end of the food chain in Hollywood--no one but the occasional good director gives two fucks about us. So, some execs got a good idea for a show and then got a couple of their old Harvard roommate's kids who are into anime to write the show...

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SaccharineSmile
12/10/21 8:40:26 AM
#160:


RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...
They should have not fucked it up, just because they spent 4 years doesnt mean it was 4 years making a quality product which clearly this was not.


nah the main actor broke his leg and they had to stop filming

than Covid happened and had to stop filming again

then once filming resumed the producers had no clue

they ended up getting in new ones to savage what was left in footage this year

kinda sucks was just bad luck during the entire production really should have came out 1 and a bit years ago


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CyricZ
12/10/21 8:42:55 AM
#161:


indica posted...
I think most are agreed that the writing is what killed the show. As a writer myself, I can tell you how we're at the end of the food chain in Hollywood--no one but the occasional good director gives two fucks about us. So, some execs got a good idea for a show and then got a couple of their old Harvard roommate's kids who are into anime to write the show...
It was certainly the killing blow, but so many decision led up to that.

Such as demanding that each episode be 45 mins in length (likely a Netflix exec thing)

The decision to fill that with Syndicate storyline as a constant presence rather than a rarity (maybe an exec thing)

The decision to overload us with Vicious and Julia specifically (they could have done Syndicate without Vicious, for example).

The decision to make Vicious just completely awful as a character. Just an absolute mess of a human being.

These kinds of decisions cascaded to giving us our final product.

Like I've got minimal problem with the acting, for example. Yeah the "black male" line was just awful, but the actress leaned the fuck into it and if you watch the entire scene, contextually she worked with it. There are other examples like that throughout the show.

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SaccharineSmile
12/10/21 8:53:14 AM
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Also they were planning on cancelling season 1 last year anyways because of the state it was (stop start productions/shitty producers)


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HagenEx
12/10/21 8:58:28 AM
#163:


Good.

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Rayman2943
12/10/21 9:01:30 AM
#164:


indica posted...
I think most are agreed that the writing is what killed the show. As a writer myself, I can tell you how we're at the end of the food chain in Hollywood--no one but the occasional good director gives two fucks about us. So, some execs got a good idea for a show and then got a couple of their old Harvard roommate's kids who are into anime to write the show...
Nepotism is such a bitch lol
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SaccharineSmile
12/10/21 9:05:09 AM
#165:


So were lucky to even have a season lol


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LostForest
12/10/21 9:45:03 AM
#166:


I liked the show for what it is. It's not a masterpiece like the original but it's a fun watch.

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Returning_CEmen
12/10/21 10:21:04 AM
#167:


Did they do Ed justice?

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SifPack
12/10/21 10:30:07 AM
#168:


Sheiky-Baby posted...
Whoever wrote the dialogues for this should never get another job again in the entertainment industry. Bebop Netflix is dead, but the "You're black, and you're male" line will forever live in infamy, and laughed at forevermore.
that line was not as bad as people make it out to be. It was light flirting so of course the convo will lbe filled with witty banter and double entendres
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CyricZ
12/10/21 10:33:19 AM
#169:


Returning_CEmen posted...
Did they do Ed justice?
They overdid Ed. They went 90s video game ad with her. She only had thirty seconds of screen time, anyway.

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viewmaster_pi
12/10/21 10:35:51 AM
#170:


SifPack posted...
that line was not as bad as people make it out to be. It was light flirting so of course the convo will lbe filled with witty banter and double entendres
if that was witty then a brick to the head is subtle

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Garth_Marenghi
12/10/21 10:39:41 AM
#171:


CyricZ posted...
They overdid Ed. They went 90s video game ad with her. She only had thirty seconds of screen time, anyway.
*they

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EnterTheTekken
12/10/21 10:40:30 AM
#172:


This might be the fastest cancellation of a major Netflix series I've seen that didn't involve some offensive material/cancel culture situation.

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CyricZ
12/10/21 10:41:12 AM
#173:


Garth_Marenghi posted...
*they
This is true. Apologies, I was going by anime pronouns.

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Garth_Marenghi
12/10/21 10:52:05 AM
#174:


EnterTheTekken posted...
This might be the fastest cancellation of a major Netflix series I've seen that didn't involve some offensive material/cancel culture situation.
jupiter's legacy was canceled in under a week.

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Nasty_Nitro
12/10/21 10:57:31 AM
#175:


I was hoping Bebop would fill my scifi void left by Altered Carbon but of course everyone hated that too smh

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indica
12/10/21 11:45:42 AM
#176:


Unpopular take: I liked Faye the best in this series

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CyricZ
12/10/21 11:58:50 AM
#177:


indica posted...
Unpopular take: I liked Faye the best in this series
She had a good attitude and acting ability. I just think her lines were awful.

I think Mustafa Shakir was my favorite performance, even if I didn't like all his lines. He just settled right into the Jet attitude.

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Gobstoppers12
12/10/21 11:59:48 AM
#178:


It's amazing how awkward that "Seinfeld" scene is.

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myzz7
12/10/21 12:01:23 PM
#179:


https://youtu.be/44R3M9pz8Vk

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Sheiky-Baby
12/10/21 12:41:03 PM
#180:


SifPack posted...
that line was not as bad as people make it out to be. It was light flirting so of course the convo will lbe filled with witty banter and double entendres
Thank God you aren't a writer(Hopefully).

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SifPack
12/10/21 1:10:56 PM
#181:


Sheiky-Baby posted...
Thank God you aren't a writer(Hopefully).
it's direction they took with it really. It's like a quick witted line in back-and-forth flirtation that anyone would barely notice but yet show placed way too much emphasis on it
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LostForest
12/10/21 1:14:19 PM
#182:


Know what? It actually works out for new fans that it was cancelled. New viewers who never saw the original will be left craving more, so they'll go back to the original and watch through it to get the whole story.

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Gobstoppers12
12/10/21 1:17:26 PM
#183:


LostForest posted...
Know what? It actually works out for new fans that it was cancelled. New viewers who never saw the original will be left craving more, so they'll go back to the original and watch through it to get the whole story.
One can only hope this was the master plan all along.

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creativerealms
12/10/21 1:28:46 PM
#184:


It shouldn't have been that hard to do right. Of all the anime this should be an easier one to adapt.

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Lebronwon
12/10/21 1:29:39 PM
#185:


ssj3vegeta_ posted...
Why was dis canceled???

https://youtu.be/TML15rDOvMs

Shit was great

lol I did notice timing issues with the dialogue.

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Sheiky-Baby
12/10/21 1:47:01 PM
#186:


creativerealms posted...
It shouldn't have been that hard to do right. Of all the anime this should be an easier one to adapt.
Should have just done an one-off animated movie sequel with the remaining crew several years later. Like what they're up to, what happened on that day, introduce some new characters, and if they wanna be abit playful, hint that Spike might not have died after all near the end of the film. If the film does well, well, you know.

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DirkDiggles
12/10/21 5:02:28 PM
#187:


Questionmarktarius posted...
Live action Bubblegum Crisis could be the greatest thing ever, had Bladerunner not already did that.

Now, that's one I can get behind.

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sneakysnake
12/10/21 6:02:56 PM
#188:


Cowboy Bebop Screenwriter Keiko Nobumoto has passed away

https://twitter.com/nmisaki/status/1469309319720353793

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sneakysnake
12/10/21 6:03:47 PM
#189:


Garth_Marenghi posted...
.__. thanks? doesnt address my reply to your post.

The red flags continue to fly for Netflixs Cowboy Bebop, as thanks to a recently resurfaced interview, original anime series creator Shinichir Watanabe can be read confirming that his involvement in the upcoming live-action adaptation was so limited that all he can do is pray and hope that it will turn out good.
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CyricZ
12/10/21 7:50:13 PM
#190:


Oh also this:

https://twitter.com/heyjenbartel/status/1469265094479650816

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Garth_Marenghi
12/10/21 7:52:08 PM
#191:


thats not why it was cancelled either. that shit just looks weird to the average person, and even to anime fans. anime in live action is just weird lol.

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COVxy
12/10/21 8:21:15 PM
#192:


CyricZ posted...
Oh also this:

https://twitter.com/heyjenbartel/status/1469265094479650816

Pretty much every single thing she listed was present in the live action?

Not sure what point she thought she was making other than "i didn't watch the live action series".

Apparently "removed" and "absent" means "mildly different and i need it to be precisely the same because reasons".

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CyricZ
12/10/21 8:31:44 PM
#193:


COVxy posted...
Pretty much every single thing she listed was present in the live action?

Not sure what point she thought she was making other than "i didn't watch the live action series".

Apparently "removed" and "absent" means "mildly different and i need it to be precisely the same because reasons".
I think you might need to read those items more closely.

For example, yes, Faye was still conned after coming out of cryogen, but nowhere is there mention of her debt as a result of hospital bills or being conned into further debt. The entire motivation is her identity.

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ArgonHawk
12/10/21 10:38:40 PM
#194:


AlCalavicci posted...
Wasn't the original only one season?
Yeah, but this was very different from the original. Only 10 episodes, but each episode was stretched out from 22 minutes to 45 minutes and there's main plot in every episode, which really dragged it down >_> Plus apparently it ends on the cliffhanger

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creativerealms
12/10/21 10:41:56 PM
#195:


Garth_Marenghi posted...
thats not why it was cancelled either. that shit just looks weird to the average person, and even to anime fans. anime in live action is just weird lol.
But if any anime could be adapted into live action and not look weird it would be Bebop. They just did a bad job.

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CyricZ
12/10/21 10:43:01 PM
#196:


ArgonHawk posted...
Plus apparently it ends on the cliffhanger
Technically ends on a couple of cilffhangers.

  1. Bebop crew is broken up
  2. Julia has Vicious at her mercy.
  3. Ed.

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ColdOne666
12/10/21 11:24:05 PM
#197:


Ed was a horrible character in the anime and looked even worse in the live action trailer.

I'm almost glad it was cancelled just because of that.

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008Zulu
12/10/21 11:27:56 PM
#198:


ColdOne666 posted...
Ed was a horrible character in the anime and looked even worse in the live action trailer.
Ed had her moments in the anime, like the Chess and the Mushroom eps. The Mushroom was probably the most tolerable filler ep.

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