Current Events > Cap was wrong(Captain America: Civil War spoilers)

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Slayer_22 posted...

No, I didn't. He said Cap wouldn't follow anything he put his name on, yet Cap was LEGITIMATELY about to do that.

So...yeah, he would.

No. Him signing it doesn't mean he would disregard them afterwards. He was going to sign them with the intentions on following through on his word.

Slayer_22 posted...

There simply would have been more people there to chase Zemo down in the final act. Bucky would be in custody, so Tony wouldn't be able to act on his emotions immediately, and if he tried, people could stop him, since the Avengers wouldn't be broken up. Eventually Tony would come to his senses.

The order was to kill Bucky. Which was why Captain America went out on his own.

As a backup Zemo had proof that he killed Tony's parents which lead to him finding out that Steve knew. There was never going to be some sort of middle ground there. The accords would inherently side with Tony. The same people would side with Steve. The events would still overall play out the same. You have already argued that both characters would disregard the accords if they wanted.

You seem to have a knack of just disregarding why everything happened the way it did and just act like it wouldn't matter if the scenario was slightly different.

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lolife67 posted...

No. Him signing it doesn't mean he would disregard them afterwards. He was going to sign them with the intentions on following through on his word.

Remember the parts in all the movies where Cap goes against his orders to do the right thing? No? Me neither.

There's been plenty of times where he's signed on to something and went rogue. The same would happen here, I'm 100% positive of this. He signs, which he was ABOUT to do, they get Bucky into custody, then they just go about Avengering like usual.
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lolife67 posted...

No. Him signing it doesn't mean he would disregard them afterwards. He was going to sign them with the intentions on following through on his word.

This.

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Punished_Blinx posted...

The order was to kill Bucky. Which was why Captain America went out on his own.

As a backup Zemo had proof that he killed Tony's parents which lead to him finding out that Steve knew. There was never going to be some sort of middle ground there. The accords would inherently side with Tony. The same people would side with Steve. The events would still overall play out the same. You have already argued that both characters would disregard the accords if they wanted.

You seem to have a knack of just disregarding why everything happened the way it did and just act like it wouldn't matter if the scenario was slightly different.

If they brought Bucky into custody, which they did, he wouldn't have been killed. Would he?

You act like they would have fought over Tony's parents death with Bucky in custody and serving prison time? Seriously? Lol, what the fuck?
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Slayer_22 posted...

Remember the parts in all the movies where Cap goes against his orders to do the right thing? No? Me neither.

There's been plenty of times where he's signed on to something and went rogue. The same would happen here, I'm 100% positive of this. He signs, which he was ABOUT to do, they get Bucky into custody, then they just go about Avengering like usual.

They got Bucky into custody (after he already went out on his own to make sure he wasn't killed). Zemo activates his brainwashing, Steve believes Bucky and smuggles him out (again to make sure he isn't killed) and the events of Civil War kick into gear when Tony uses the justification of the accords to go after them.

You're arguing that Steve would disregard the accords if he signed them. So what is changing in this scenario? Why would the Avengers be unified because he signed them? They were fighting over his signature. They were fighting because he was protecting Bucky.

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Slayer_22 posted...

If they brought Bucky into custody, which they did, he wouldn't have been killed. Would he?

You act like they would have fought over Tony's parents death with Bucky in custody and serving prison time? Seriously? Lol, what the fuck?

They did bring him into custody. Steve disobeyed orders and did it himself to make sure he wasn't killed. That was how Zemo got to him and activates his brainwashing.

There is no scenario where Bucky is sitting peacefully in prison.

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I'm gonna be honest, if we continue I don't think any of us are gonna come to terms with each other's opinions and agree on anything. So this is kinda pointless.
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Slayer_22 posted...

Remember the parts in all the movies where Cap goes against his orders to do the right thing? No? Me neither.

There's been plenty of times where he's signed on to something and went rogue. The same would happen here, I'm 100% positive of this. He signs, which he was ABOUT to do, they get Bucky into custody, then they just go about Avengering like usual.

He's never agreed to something with the intention of not following through on his word, though. That's what you're suggesting he does here, which would be out of character.

Slayer_22 posted...

I'm gonna be honest, if we continue I don't think any of us are gonna come to terms with each other's opinions and agree on anything. So this is kinda pointless.

I think the only thing youre missing with your theory is they just couldnt turn their back on the accords
Infinity War spoilers
Cap, Falcon, and Wanda are on the run as fugitives. Rhodey knows hes getting court martiald for joining them against the Black Order
Black Widow spoilers
we also see that Ross arrests Widow for her actions during
Antman and the Wasp spoilers
Hope and Hank are fugitives and are on the run with the FBI looking for them. Scott is under house arrest with his suit taken away

Endgame spoilers
Clint is also under house arrest

in most of these cases sure they could ignore the accords but they will be arrested and thrown into the Raft without their suits. Or they fight back but most of them lose. Only Wanda, Thor, Vision and Hulk could hold out against armies for a long period of time, but they are the good guys they arent going to kill people who are just trying to uphold the law.

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