Current Events > It will be better to buy a gasoline car for at least the next 10 years

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Switching to electric is not economical at all. It is more of a luxury item than anything.

Given the price of a replacement battery on electric cars it will also be more economical to purchase a used gas vehicle as opposed to an electric one.

So ya, driving an electric car is pretty much a scam.

Is TC telling the truth?

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Kinda related.. why are batteries in a general sense not getting more battery life while the price isnt decreasing?

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I won't get an electric car only either for now. In 10 years we'll see. I think I could need to go far and I need a gas tank for that. I will use hybrid for now. And if I get a second car, I'll take the Telsa.

GMAK2442 posted...

I will use hybrid for now.

hybrids work imo.

TrollTrace posted...

replacement battery

yep those get pretty expensive after many uses.
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DepreceV2 posted...

Kinda related.. why are batteries in a general sense not getting more battery life while the price isnt decreasing?

Lithium tech hit a wall. It's not getting any better without some sort of substantial discovery.

Also, i do not know if this is true but i read the batteries require a special metal(cobalt???) Which becomes toxic after use and ends up in the oceans and contaminates marine life. The miners who mine for this metal are also treated terribly.

I just bought a used car last month. I wanted to go hybrid/electric, but when researching the model of car I wanted I found that the batteries only last 6-10 years. The only hybrid/electric of the model car I wanted were from 2015-2017. As someone who doesn't really know cars, I didn't want the additional headache of having to replace a $3000 battery anytime soon.

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My friend bought a used Leaf for $10k and he parks it at an electric charging station provided by the town

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Cobalt is just plain toxic in nearly all contexts, outside of vitamin B12 synthesis.

The_Hat posted...

I just bought a used car last month. I wanted to go hybrid/electric, but when researching the model of car I wanted I found that the batteries only last 6-10 years. The only hybrid/electric of the model car I wanted were from 2015-2017. As someone who doesn't really know cars, I didn't want the additional headache of having to replace a $3000 battery anytime soon.

$3000 would be on the low end. The costs of replacing a battery on an electric car could be just as much as a new car...

Those batteries are the big reason why I think these cars are generally a scam for the time being. Not saying they're bad, but the lithium battery thing makes me leery.

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True solution is to remove all cars until an actual solution can be found. It may seem extreme, but not as extreme as the world being dead.

Nothing will motivate innovative thinking faster than removing the crutch.

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Dakimakura posted...

True solution is to remove all cars until an actual solution can be found. It may seem extreme, but not as extreme as the world being dead.

Nothing will motivate innovative thinking faster than removing the crutch.

I legit think cars being mainstream for back of a better word was a mistake. We waste so much time and resources going back and forth. Work from home should be more common place, public transport should be more common place, communities should be smaller but with the needs of the community available locally. It's crazy to me that so many people sit in bumper to bumper traffic an hour plus a day every day while people going in the opposite direction do the same, possibly for similar jobs.

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TrollTrace posted...

$3000 would be on the low end. The costs of replacing a battery on an electric car could be just as much as a new car...

It says if its less than 8 years old and under 100,000 miles its probably free.

I dont get the point of intentionally leaving out information.

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MrDrMan posted...

It says if its less than 8 years old and under 100,000 miles its probably free.

I dont get the point of intentionally leaving out information.

Yes because we all know those car manufacturers intentionally design the batteries to go out BEFORE 100k miles or 8 years so you get the most bang for your buck...sarcasm

I drove my ye old fashioned hybrid car today. It was a real blast from the past. ICE cars are going the way of the dinosaur. Electric is superior.

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Still waiting for hydrogen cars...

you mean paying 100000 dollars for a car isn't a good idea?

Daddy Elon, say it aint so!

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Yeah, even though I have a home that could charge an EV (garage space with a high power 10-50 socket) I still went with a gas car when I had to get a new one this year. I won't get a Tesla because I don't like the giant tablet controls or their service policies and other manufacturers aren't really 'there' yet.

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Until they're down to "proletariat" price levels, EVs aren't going to matter.
Of course, once they do, we'll have a sudden "crisis" of gas-tax revenue drying up, with mileage taxes quickly following.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Until they're down to "proletariat" price levels, EVs aren't going to matter.
Of course, once they do, we'll have a sudden "crisis" of gas-tax revenue drying up, with mileage taxes quickly following.

No matter how one looks at it the price of purchasing a $1k-$3k beater and paying liability insurance kills every competitor. If the car lasts you 2 years for example, if you leased or had a car payment and insurance payment of $300 a month, which is seriously low, you'd spend $7,200 in 2 years on it. The beater car pays for itself in one year. And pays for a quarter years rent the second year AND you can sell it whenever you want because you own it. I could not imagine being so dense that you purchase a new car or lease one given these circumstances.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Until they're down to "proletariat" price levels, EVs aren't going to matter.
Of course, once they do, we'll have a sudden "crisis" of gas-tax revenue drying up, with mileage taxes quickly following.

Even then, do we have any sort of long-term data on what maintaining an EV looks like from 100k to 200k+ miles? I can have a transmission rebuild for a few grand and most regular car parts are pretty cheap because of volume. Plus pretty much any mechanic can work on a regular car so there's lots of competition.

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s0nicfan posted...

Even then, do we have any sort of long-term data on what maintaining an EV looks like from 100k to 200k+ miles? I can have a transmission rebuild for a few grand and most regular car parts are pretty cheap because of volume. Plus pretty much any mechanic can work on a regular car so there's lots of competition.

Hardly. The insurance rates for EVs are higher too. Don't get me wrong i want to protect the environment, but this is not an individual health problem, a car is a life tool, i will almost always choose the lower cost over the higher cost unless the differences are negligible in which case i get the one i like more.

TrollTrace posted...

Yes because we all know those car manufacturers intentionally design the batteries to go out BEFORE 100k miles or 8 years so you get the most bang for your buck...sarcasm

Everything isnt a conspiracy chief.

TrollTrace posted...

No matter how one looks at it the price of purchasing a $1k-$3k beater and paying liability insurance kills every competitor. If the car lasts you 2 years for example, if you leased or had a car payment and insurance payment of $300 a month, which is seriously low, you'd spend $7,200 in 2 years on it. The beater car pays for itself in one year. And pays for a quarter years rent the second year AND you can sell it whenever you want because you own it. I could not imagine being so dense that you purchase a new car or lease one given these circumstances.

This sounds like a good idea until your maintenance costs on beater double the price which actually just happened to me and I bit the bullet and got a decent used car.

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TrollTrace posted...

No matter how one looks at it the price of purchasing a $1k-$3k beater and paying liability insurance kills every competitor. If the car lasts you 2 years for example, if you leased or had a car payment and insurance payment of $300 a month, which is seriously low, you'd spend $7,200 in 2 years on it. The beater car pays for itself in one year. And pays for a quarter years rent the second year AND you can sell it whenever you want because you own it. I could not imagine being so dense that you purchase a new car or lease one given these circumstances.

Maybe I dont want to drive around in a piece of shit?

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Conception616 posted...

Maybe I dont want to drive around in a piece of shit?

Why does it matter? Who are you trying to impress bro? You post on gfaqs CE get a grip Do not complain about the rich or rent prices or gas prices or console scalpers etc if you live above your means.

MrDrMan posted...

Everything isnt a conspiracy chief.

I never said it was. Imagine how much air you need in your head in order to believe that a car manufacturers warranty is designed to protect the consumer and not a clever marketing gimmick. If people were getting their money's worth on those warranties the car manufacturer would be out of business BUD. Enjoy living in fantasy land.

This sounds like a good idea until your maintenance costs on beater double the price which actually just happened to me and I bit the bullet and got a decent used car.

Instead of paying ridiculous maintenance costs you would dig into your savings(which you would have a ton of disposable cash since you are saving like $3k a year) buy a new used car for $1k-$3k and sell your old car for scraps(you'd get at least $500 which is roughly 17%-50% of what you payed for it. You should be intelligent enough to get the opinion of someone knowledgeable in cars when buying a beater because you can easily get one that lasts for 5 years without any major mechanical issues. If you get a good beater lets say it lasts 5 years what's $3k X 5 = $15k, now because you were not stupid enough to live above your means and trying not to look broke you could have invested those $3k every year into a good ETF or Cryptocurrency like Ethereum and have like $20k+ at the end of those 5 years.

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You guys don't actually think passenger vehicles are a huge pollution machines do you lmfao

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TrollTrace posted...

I never said it was. Imagine how much air you need in your head in order to believe that a car manufacturers warranty is designed to protect the consumer and not a clever marketing gimmick. If people were getting their money's worth on those warranties the car manufacturer would be out of business BUD. Enjoy living in fantasy land.

Instead of paying ridiculous maintenance costs you would dig into your savings(which you would have a ton of disposable cash since you are saving like $3k a year) buy a new used car for $1k-$3k and sell your old car for scraps(you'd get at least $500 which is roughly 17%-50% of what you payed for it. You should be intelligent enough to get the opinion of someone knowledgeable in cars when buying a beater because you can easily get one that lasts for 5 years without any major mechanical issues. If you get a good beater lets say it lasts 5 years what's $3k X 5 = $15k, now because you were not stupid enough to live above your means and trying not to look broke you could have invested those $3k every year into a good ETF or Cryptocurrency like Ethereum and have like $20k+ at the end of those 5 years.

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So you dont trust car manufacturers but you trust mechanics who make most of their money charging excessive labor prices? Makes sense.

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Got a 2013 Leaf in 2016. No clue how bad gas prices had gotten until hearing about it on the news. Only maintenance done was new tires at 50k miles and new wiper blades. Helps that I work 2 miles away so that battery degrading hasn't been an issue yet. Works for me and I'll probably get electric again, cost of a new battery is as much as getting your transmission replaced twice, like in my old ICE car.

MrDrMan posted...

So you dont trust car manufacturers but you trust mechanics who make most of their money charging excessive labor prices? Makes sense.

When i go to a mechanic i tell them what i want fixed. First i call to see the prices. Then i go to the least expensive one and only get fixed what i came to get fixed. Most issues i encounter are like a bulb goes out, i need an oil change, i need a new tire, windshield wipers need replacing, brakes need replacing, fluids need to be filled. I have had big things happen before like the alternator breaking, break lines breaking(scary as heck) and the muffler breaking. Usually when i go buy a car i get my dad or brother to come along. Anyway, regardless if using random mechanics or not you absolutely need a family friend or family member who is good with cars who you can consult with because otherwise, you are indeed screwed. I've also never had an issue with a mechanic ripping me off.

We just got this for my mom $2700 83,000 miles 97 sebring chrysler convertible. And it runs amazing...there are great cars out there for good prices but if you want to show off like a douche then expect karma to slap you right back in the face. We had to put in around $1k into this car btw, so in the end everything came out to around $4k to get it to look this way. But we have found less expensive cars in better conditions. Mostly you want to buy from older folks, they typically move less and take care of stuff better than young sellers so the cars have less wear. You also want to be mindful of the area you buy them in. Like i live in chicago for instance, if i wanted to find a reliable beater i would look for listings in aurora or naperville. NEVER in chicago for obvious reasons.

Speaking of cars i feel so bad for my friend. He got ripped off so badly at the dealership. His car broke down and he went in to buy a civic and ended up leaving with one of those little girly fiestas or whatever cars that look awful. I told him to bring me with man but he did not want to. 30k miles on that crappy car he payed $18k for it and it is a 2016...it has been a blessing for him though, that little car gets like 40mpg so he does uber eats and makes a killing now compared to before cuz he was driving a 6 cylinder ford explorer. Huge change. I hope he pays off that car soon.