Current Events > Kevin Sorbo questions why California should pay slavery reperations.

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SierraDawn 11/27/21 11:14:29 AM #51:	bigblu89 posted... Theyll just have to follow their Republican leaders advice and pull up their bootstraps and work harder! Nothing is just given to you, you have to work for it! Dont just sit around waiting for a handout! At least thats what all those redcaps tell me. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960394552] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>bigblu89 posted... </cite> <quote>Theyll just have to follow their Republican leaders advice and pull up their bootstraps and work harder! Nothing is just given to you, you have to work for it! Dont just sit around waiting for a handout! At least thats what all those redcaps tell me.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Machete 11/27/21 11:16:01 AM #52:	Zikten posted... Reminder that Xena was a better show --- I do not receive notifications, so using the @ feature will not do anything. I might see your post and respond though if I have already been in the topic. <cite>Machete posted [p:960394581] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Reminder that Xena was a better show</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 11:16:53 AM #53:	SierraDawn posted... Exactly. Plus, if they think racism is bad now, wait till the poor and middle class of every other race react to their black neighbors getting a million dollars, or whatever ridiculous number they're asking for. Dems might get away with it in Cali without losing their seats, but if they start paying reparations, they wont win another national election for at least a decade or two. Don't project your racism onto others. Perhaps you should research and see if you too are entitled money due to some past transgression of the government that has yet to been punished. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960394598] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>Exactly. Plus, if they think racism is bad now, wait till the poor and middle class of every other race react to their black neighbors getting a million dollars, or whatever ridiculous number they're asking for. Dems might get away with it in Cali without losing their seats, but if they start paying reparations, they wont win another national election for at least a decade or two.</quote>Don't project your racism onto others. Perhaps you should research and see if you too are entitled money due to some past transgression of the government that has yet to been punished. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 11:18:51 AM #54:	Deuceswild posted... So how will it be determined who pays and who gets paid? Not every black person in America was descended from American slaves, and the vast majority of people period weren't slave owners or even in the US during slavery. Pretty easy for most CE to advocate for how taxes gets spent when most of this forum literally doesn't have a job or pays taxes. It's ridiculous ideas like this that keep Republicans in office. Do you have any control over how your taxes are spent right now once they leave you? The money leaves you and then it goes wherever. There is no specific "your" tax money or whatever --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960394647] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Deuceswild posted... </cite> <quote>So how will it be determined who pays and who gets paid? Not every black person in America was descended from American slaves, and the vast majority of people period weren't slave owners or even in the US during slavery. Pretty easy for most CE to advocate for how taxes gets spent when most of this forum literally doesn't have a job or pays taxes. It's ridiculous ideas like this that keep Republicans in office.</quote>Do you have any control over how your taxes are spent right now once they leave you? The money leaves you and then it goes wherever. There is no specific "your" tax money or whatever </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 11/27/21 11:20:23 AM #55:	Nemu posted... Reparations for slavery really have never made sense. There are plenty of more relatively recent racial injustices that have affected still living people that would make much more sense to champion. If you think slavery hasn't had a lasting impact on present day black Americans then you have a very, very poor understanding of how the world works. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:960394688] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Reparations for slavery really have never made sense. There are plenty of more relatively recent racial injustices that have affected still living people that would make much more sense to champion.</quote>If you think slavery hasn't had a lasting impact on present day black Americans then you have a very, very poor understanding of how the world works. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 11/27/21 11:22:38 AM #56:	Has Sorbo ever had a good take anywhere? --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:960394721] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Has Sorbo ever had a good take anywhere? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 11:24:10 AM #57:	ScazarMeltex posted... Has Sorbo ever had a good take anywhere? Probably in the 20th century and early 2000s he seemed cool back then. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960394740] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>Has Sorbo ever had a good take anywhere?</quote>Probably in the 20th century and early 2000s he seemed cool back then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 11:37:23 AM #58:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Don't project your racism onto others. Perhaps you should research and see if you too are entitled money due to some past transgression of the government that has yet to been punished. I'm not projecting anything. It's a logical deduction, and a pretty simple one at that. Giving one race seven figure checks, thus elevating them above all others, would cause massive resentment unlike anything we've ever seen in this country. The party that handed out those seven figure checks wouldnt be put back into power for decades, if ever And the worst part? Some 90% of people who win the lottery are broke a decade later. So 10 years from now, most of the people who'd received reparations would be right back where they are now, except racism would be at an all time high, and no one would want to hear about it. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960395037] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Don't project your racism onto others. Perhaps you should research and see if you too are entitled money due to some past transgression of the government that has yet to been punished.</quote>I'm not projecting anything. It's a logical deduction, and a pretty simple one at that. Giving one race seven figure checks, thus elevating them above all others, would cause massive resentment unlike anything we've ever seen in this country. The party that handed out those seven figure checks wouldnt be put back into power for decades, if ever And the worst part? Some 90% of people who win the lottery are broke a decade later. So 10 years from now, most of the people who'd received reparations would be right back where they are now, except racism would be at an all time high, and no one would want to hear about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nemu 11/27/21 11:42:41 AM #59:	ZMythos posted... If you think slavery hasn't had a lasting impact on present day black Americans then you have a very, very poor understanding of how the world works. There is no particular quantifiable way to measure that impact on the modern day population, nor would it help to assuage any existing grievances (as much as money can even do that in the first place). If you want to argue for appropriating funds for general programs, I guess that is a valid argument, but Id say getting money into the hands of people who were directly affected by modern issues or at least their children is a much better effort. <cite>Nemu posted [p:960395159] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>If you think slavery hasn't had a lasting impact on present day black Americans then you have a very, very poor understanding of how the world works.</quote>There is no particular quantifiable way to measure that impact on the modern day population, nor would it help to assuage any existing grievances (as much as money can even do that in the first place). If you want to argue for appropriating funds for general programs, I guess that is a valid argument, but Id say getting money into the hands of people who were directly affected by modern issues or at least their children is a much better effort. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeyondWalls 11/27/21 12:23:41 PM #60:	Wouldnt you have to go back in time and breed (not kill) more dinosaurs for there to be more oil? Donald J Trump, Dinosaur Breeder --- END OF LINE <cite>BeyondWalls posted [p:960396109] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Wouldnt you have to go back in time and breed (not kill) more dinosaurs for there to be more oil? Donald J Trump, Dinosaur Breeder </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeperMessiahXX 11/27/21 12:43:57 PM #61:	UnfairRepresent posted... https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1464220222743740417 Can we get this movie instead another God's Not Dead movie or a Hunter Biden movie? --- IL&MYD TYFE <cite>LeperMessiahXX posted [p:960396638] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> https://twitter.com/ksorbs/status/1464220222743740417</quote>Can we get this movie instead another God's Not Dead movie or a Hunter Biden movie? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 11/27/21 12:44:41 PM #62:	Zikten posted... Reminder that Xena was a better show So true --- There are enough attention whores on CE as it is. <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:960396655] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>Reminder that Xena was a better show</quote> So true </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 11/27/21 12:58:34 PM #63:	Not only is he objectively wrong in his California comment he just sounds like a Trump cultists slurper like the rest of them <cite>What_ posted [p:960397042] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Not only is he objectively wrong in his California comment he just sounds like a Trump cultists slurper like the rest of them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 11/27/21 1:02:53 PM #64:	Hercules, why? --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:960397166] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Hercules, why? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 1:07:53 PM #65:	Bishop9800 posted... So true nah Herc cheese was the best --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960397297] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Bishop9800 posted... </cite> <quote>So true</quote>nah Herc cheese was the best </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NoxObscuras 11/27/21 1:19:47 PM #66:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Do you have any control over how your taxes are spent right now once they leave you? The money leaves you and then it goes wherever. There is no specific "your" tax money or whatever Some people always feel entitled about where their tax money goes. That's why you get those "I pay your salary!" morons who try to boss cops around. --- PSN - NoxObscuras Z490 \| i9-10900K \| EVGA 3080 FTW3 Ultra \| 32GB DDR4 3600 \| 4TB SSD <cite>NoxObscuras posted [p:960397613] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Do you have any control over how your taxes are spent right now once they leave you? The money leaves you and then it goes wherever. There is no specific "your" tax money or whatever</quote>Some people always feel entitled about where their tax money goes. That's why you get those "I pay your salary!" morons who try to boss cops around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
theAteam 11/27/21 1:22:02 PM #67:	Nemu posted... Reparations for slavery really have never made sense. There are plenty of more relatively recent racial injustices that have affected still living people that would make much more sense to champion. This is true and would be an easier sell to the "well I never had slaves" crowd --- Buffalo Bills Season Prediction: 13-4 Season: 7-4 Week 13: vs NE (MNF) <cite>theAteam posted [p:960397664] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Reparations for slavery really have never made sense. There are plenty of more relatively recent racial injustices that have affected still living people that would make much more sense to champion.</quote> This is true and would be an easier sell to the "well I never had slaves" crowd </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 1:23:35 PM #68:	_HayleyWilliams posted... Yeah, not like slavery had any repercussions. Lincoln poofed it away at the end of the Civil War and we defeated racism forever Do you think a financial settlement 200 years later is going to fix it? Seems pretty far fetched to me --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960397700] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah, not like slavery had any repercussions. Lincoln poofed it away at the end of the Civil War and we defeated racism forever</quote> Do you think a financial settlement 200 years later is going to fix it? Seems pretty far fetched to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 1:33:45 PM #69:	Solid Snake07 posted... Do you think a financial settlement 200 years later is going to fix it? Seems pretty far fetched to me No, but there has to be justice. Should we not compensate victims if the compensation will not undo the damage or eliminate suffering from the world? You and I would want compensation if our families were harmed by the government. This happens all the time. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960398018] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think a financial settlement 200 years later is going to fix it? Seems pretty far fetched to me</quote>No, but there has to be justice. Should we not compensate victims if the compensation will not undo the damage or eliminate suffering from the world? You and I would want compensation if our families were harmed by the government. This happens all the time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 1:34:15 PM #70:	Nemu posted... Reparations for slavery really have never made sense. There are plenty of more relatively recent racial injustices that have affected still living people that would make much more sense to champion. 250 years of slavery, 100 years of legalized Jim Crow, 57 years of supposed equal protection under Federal law. Like I mentioned earlier, Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan were alive at the same time at one point, this is not ancient history. Slavery begat Black Codes, Jim Crow, sharecropping, redlining, disenfranchisement, exclusion from GI Bill, racial terrorism that was so bad that millions of black people had to flee to the North and West as refugees over the course of several decades. Those institutions did not exist in a vacuum separate from one another, and there has never been a real recompense for these wrongs by the Federal government. The one area where the '40 acres and a mule' did exist was in Oklahoma, where there were black landowners who were descendants of people were enslaved by Native American groups such as the Cherokee, Chickasaws, Choctaws, etc were able to get the land. By beginning of the Civil War, 14 percent of the total population of tribal territory were black people enslaved by tribal members. After the war black freedmen held millions of acres in the territory that would become Oklahoma. This land allotment gave black residents in OK a level of financial stability to start businesses, farms and ranches which was not often available to other black populations, especially in the South. The value of this was incalculable and gave rise to prominent black townships and settlements in Oklahoma, including the Greenwood district of Tulsa. Tulsa was destroyed however, along with many other black townships around the years of the Red Summer of 1919, that had generational effects. The point is that at every turn, black advancement and community sustainability has always been hamstrung by the local, state and Federal governments and at numerous times came under direct attack by domestic terrorists. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960398029] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Nemu posted... </cite> <quote>Reparations for slavery really have never made sense. There are plenty of more relatively recent racial injustices that have affected still living people that would make much more sense to champion.</quote> 250 years of slavery, 100 years of legalized Jim Crow, 57 years of supposed equal protection under Federal law. Like I mentioned earlier, Harriet Tubman and Ronald Reagan were alive at the same time at one point, this is not ancient history. Slavery begat Black Codes, Jim Crow, sharecropping, redlining, disenfranchisement, exclusion from GI Bill, racial terrorism that was so bad that millions of black people had to flee to the North and West as refugees over the course of several decades. Those institutions did not exist in a vacuum separate from one another, and there has never been a real recompense for these wrongs by the Federal government. The one area where the '40 acres and a mule' did exist was in Oklahoma, where there were black landowners who were descendants of people were enslaved by Native American groups such as the Cherokee, Chickasaws, Choctaws, etc were able to get the land. By beginning of the Civil War, 14 percent of the total population of tribal territory were black people enslaved by tribal members. After the war black freedmen held millions of acres in the territory that would become Oklahoma. This land allotment gave black residents in OK a level of financial stability to start businesses, farms and ranches which was not often available to other black populations, especially in the South. The value of this was incalculable and gave rise to prominent black townships and settlements in Oklahoma, including the Greenwood district of Tulsa. Tulsa was destroyed however, along with many other black townships around the years of the Red Summer of 1919, that had generational effects. The point is that at every turn, black advancement and community sustainability has always been hamstrung by the local, state and Federal governments and at numerous times came under direct attack by domestic terrorists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 1:39:28 PM #71:	_HayleyWilliams posted... No, but there has to be justice. Should we not compensate victims if the compensation will not undo the damage or eliminate suffering from the world? Both the victims and the perpetrators are long dead. We're just left dealing with the repercussions of the past. Reparations isn't gonna fix that. Only striving to treat people fairly and equally over time is going to. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960398181] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>No, but there has to be justice. Should we not compensate victims if the compensation will not undo the damage or eliminate suffering from the world?</quote> Both the victims and the perpetrators are long dead. We're just left dealing with the repercussions of the past. Reparations isn't gonna fix that. Only striving to treat people fairly and equally over time is going to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 11/27/21 1:39:53 PM #72:	Solid Snake07 posted... Do you think a financial settlement 200 years later is going to fix it? Seems pretty far fetched to me All that money will just go back into an economy run mostly by white people anyway. Most people have no financial sense to maintain their wealth so they can grow it or pass it down in their family. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:960398194] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think a financial settlement 200 years later is going to fix it? Seems pretty far fetched to me</quote>All that money will just go back into an economy run mostly by white people anyway. Most people have no financial sense to maintain their wealth so they can grow it or pass it down in their family. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 1:42:32 PM #73:	Solid Snake07 posted... Both the victims and the perpetrators are long dead. We're just left dealing with the repercussions of the past. Reparations isn't gonna fix that. Only striving to treat people fairly and equally over time is going to. My parents are still alive to my knowledge. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960398281] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Both the victims and the perpetrators are long dead. We're just left dealing with the repercussions of the past. Reparations isn't gonna fix that. Only striving to treat people fairly and equally over time is going to.</quote> My parents are still alive to my knowledge. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Middle hope 11/27/21 1:43:35 PM #74:	Taharqa_ posted... My parents are still alive to my knowledge. Your parents were slaves or slavers? --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/PmX8smn https://imgur.com/mwTy0iF https://imgur.com/FCER80e <cite>Middle hope posted [p:960398310] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>My parents are still alive to my knowledge.</quote>Your parents were slaves or slavers? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 1:44:32 PM #75:	Middle hope posted... Your parents were slaves or slavers? As in, lived under Jim Crow, first to integrate their middle schools and relegated to the black side of town type of stuff. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960398345] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Middle hope posted... </cite> <quote>Your parents were slaves or slavers?</quote> As in, lived under Jim Crow, first to integrate their middle schools and relegated to the black side of town type of stuff. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HylianFox 11/27/21 1:45:08 PM #76:	UnfairRepresent posted... You clicked the topic dude True, but I didn't read it Also, "ksorbs" sounds like an off-brand paper towel --- This is my signature until I can think of a better one. <cite>HylianFox posted [p:960398365] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You clicked the topic dude</quote> True, but I didn't read it Also, "ksorbs" sounds like an off-brand paper towel </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Returning_CEmen 11/27/21 1:45:45 PM #77:	California did have slaves, Native American slaves --- Genius, Thousandaire, Playboy, Philanthropist <cite>Returning_CEmen posted [p:960398383] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>California did have slaves, Native American slaves </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trappedunderice 11/27/21 1:46:04 PM #78:	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65uuGA2xGwg <cite>trappedunderice posted [p:960398393] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=65uuGA2xGwg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 1:46:36 PM #79:	"A proposed improvement won't change the past or fix everything overnight so why do anything!?" has always been such an incredibly foolhardy argument. "Why fix the potholes in 7th avenue? People are still gonna drive drunk and crash their cars! I don't even use that road and my family didn't make those potholes!" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960398402] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>"A proposed improvement won't change the past or fix everything overnight so why do anything!?" has always been such an incredibly foolhardy argument. "Why fix the potholes in 7th avenue? People are still gonna drive drunk and crash their cars! I don't even use that road and my family didn't make those potholes!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 1:48:48 PM #80:	Taharqa_ posted... As in, lived under Jim Crow, first to integrate their middle schools and relegated to the black side of town type of stuff. Would giving your parents a few thousand dollars fix the legacy and historical impact of jim crow? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960398461] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>As in, lived under Jim Crow, first to integrate their middle schools and relegated to the black side of town type of stuff.</quote> Would giving your parents a few thousand dollars fix the legacy and historical impact of jim crow? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 1:50:27 PM #81:	Solid Snake07 posted... Both the victims and the perpetrators are long dead. We're just left dealing with the repercussions of the past. Reparations isn't gonna fix that. Only striving to treat people fairly and equally over time is going to. People alive today and their families were directly harmed by the slavery pre-Civil War. They are entitled to money. You'd be demanding money from the government if they failed your great-grandparents and directly harmed your family's progress for centuries. "Just forget the past and be really nice to each other until we achieve world peace" doesn't actually fix anything. Money and policy changes do. If we hate the government, then we should be squeezing them and making them dance to our tune. The common man should make the government his bitch. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960398504] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Both the victims and the perpetrators are long dead. We're just left dealing with the repercussions of the past. Reparations isn't gonna fix that. Only striving to treat people fairly and equally over time is going to.</quote>People alive today and their families were directly harmed by the slavery pre-Civil War. They are entitled to money. You'd be demanding money from the government if they failed your great-grandparents and directly harmed your family's progress for centuries. "Just forget the past and be really nice to each other until we achieve world peace" doesn't actually fix anything. Money and policy changes do. If we hate the government, then we should be squeezing them and making them dance to our tune. The common man should make the government his bitch. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MadDewg 11/27/21 1:50:43 PM #82:	Taharqa_ posted... As in, lived under Jim Crow, first to integrate their middle schools and relegated to the black side of town type of stuff. Yep. My mom was born in savannah georgia. Her, my aunt, and my three uncles were among the first black students to go to the highschool hershel v jenkins I think it was called. (It wasn't under their choice however. One of those forced integration deals). From her words, racial tensions were at a all-time high before this went down....on their first day of school after my mom etc. got off the bus, they were pelted by rocks from all the white students. This was 1971 btw. --- GTag:MadDogg730 PSN:lMadDogg NNID:xMadDoggx I bet my left nut on bloodstained ritual of the night being awesome...I like my left nut IGA, come through for me. <cite>MadDewg posted [p:960398512] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>As in, lived under Jim Crow, first to integrate their middle schools and relegated to the black side of town type of stuff.</quote>Yep. My mom was born in savannah georgia. Her, my aunt, and my three uncles were among the first black students to go to the highschool hershel v jenkins I think it was called. (It wasn't under their choice however. One of those forced integration deals). From her words, racial tensions were at a all-time high before this went down....on their first day of school after my mom etc. got off the bus, they were pelted by rocks from all the white students. This was 1971 btw. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 1:52:02 PM #83:	_HayleyWilliams posted... People alive today and their families were directly harmed by the slavery pre-Civil War. They are entitled to money. You'd be demanding money from the government if they failed your great-grandparents and directly harmed your family's progress for centuries. Where is this idea that white people are regularly handing out millions of dollars to their kids coming from? Regardless, there's never actually going to be reparations in any substantial way. Even Democrats know that handing out 7 figures to every black person in the country is political suicide. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960398548] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>People alive today and their families were directly harmed by the slavery pre-Civil War. They are entitled to money. You'd be demanding money from the government if they failed your great-grandparents and directly harmed your family's progress for centuries.</quote>Where is this idea that white people are regularly handing out millions of dollars to their kids coming from? Regardless, there's never actually going to be reparations in any substantial way. Even Democrats know that handing out 7 figures to every black person in the country is political suicide. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 1:53:23 PM #84:	SierraDawn posted... Where is this idea that white people are regularly handing out millions of dollars to their kids coming from? Holy Strawman Batman! It's the Scarecrow! --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960398581] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>Where is this idea that white people are regularly handing out millions of dollars to their kids coming from?</quote>Holy Strawman Batman! It's the Scarecrow! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 1:53:43 PM #85:	Solid Snake07 posted... Would giving your parents a few thousand dollars fix the legacy and historical impact of jim crow? No, there would have to be an actual truth and reconciliation commission that would not only look at monetary compensation, but other measures as well. Local, state and Federal governments have stolen black land and wealth for generations, and used their tax dollars over that period while relegating them to 2nd class citizens. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960398592] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Would giving your parents a few thousand dollars fix the legacy and historical impact of jim crow?</quote> No, there would have to be an actual truth and reconciliation commission that would not only look at monetary compensation, but other measures as well. Local, state and Federal governments have stolen black land and wealth for generations, and used their tax dollars over that period while relegating them to 2nd class citizens. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 1:54:05 PM #86:	SierraDawn posted... Where is this idea that white people are regularly handing out millions of dollars to their kids coming from? From you, apparently. The hell you talking about? --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960398601] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>Where is this idea that white people are regularly handing out millions of dollars to their kids coming from?</quote>From you, apparently. The hell you talking about? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 1:54:36 PM #87:	UnfairRepresent posted... Holy Strawman Batman! It's the Scarecrow! Then what exactly are you saying? You're acting like white people are any better off financially than black people, when, in 99% of cases, that just isn't true. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960398613] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Holy Strawman Batman! It's the Scarecrow!</quote>Then what exactly are you saying? You're acting like white people are any better off financially than black people, when, in 99% of cases, that just isn't true. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 1:54:37 PM #88:	MadDewg posted... Yep. My mom was born in savannah georgia. Her, my aunt, and my three uncles were among the first black students to go to the highschool hershel v jenkins I think it was called. (It wasn't under their choice however. One of those forced integration deals). From her words, racial tensions were at a all-time high before this went down....on their first day of school after my mom etc. got off the bus, they were pelted by rocks from all the white students. This was 1971 btw. I'm from the South too, my parents experienced the same thing in the early 70s. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960398614] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>MadDewg posted... </cite> <quote>Yep. My mom was born in savannah georgia. Her, my aunt, and my three uncles were among the first black students to go to the highschool hershel v jenkins I think it was called. (It wasn't under their choice however. One of those forced integration deals). From her words, racial tensions were at a all-time high before this went down....on their first day of school after my mom etc. got off the bus, they were pelted by rocks from all the white students. This was 1971 btw.</quote> I'm from the South too, my parents experienced the same thing in the early 70s. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 1:57:36 PM #89:	SierraDawn posted... Then what exactly are you saying? You're acting like white people are any better off financially than black people, when, in 99% of cases, that just isn't true. The government probably owes you money too. Maybe you should be making demands too instead of fighting against others doing it. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960398687] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>Then what exactly are you saying? You're acting like white people are any better off financially than black people, when, in 99% of cases, that just isn't true.</quote>The government probably owes you money too. Maybe you should be making demands too instead of fighting against others doing it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 1:59:34 PM #90:	_HayleyWilliams posted... People alive today and their families were directly harmed by the slavery pre-Civil War. They are entitled to money. You'd be demanding money from the government if they failed your great-grandparents and directly harmed your family's progress for centuries. "Just forget the past and be really nice to each other until we achieve world peace" doesn't actually fix anything. Money and policy changes do. The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed" with the gesture of a handout that doesn't really change anything. Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does. Reparations is just a meaningless bandaid on a lacerated artery. No one is saying to forget the past, but you should also maybe think of looking forward to the future. And not that policy is completely irrelevant, but at the end of the day you can't exacly legislate love and tolerance into people. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960398734] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>People alive today and their families were directly harmed by the slavery pre-Civil War. They are entitled to money. You'd be demanding money from the government if they failed your great-grandparents and directly harmed your family's progress for centuries. "Just forget the past and be really nice to each other until we achieve world peace" doesn't actually fix anything. Money and policy changes do.</quote> The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed" with the gesture of a handout that doesn't really change anything. Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does. Reparations is just a meaningless bandaid on a lacerated artery. No one is saying to forget the past, but you should also maybe think of looking forward to the future. And not that policy is completely irrelevant, but at the end of the day you can't exacly legislate love and tolerance into people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SierraDawn 11/27/21 2:00:53 PM #91:	_HayleyWilliams posted... The government probably owes you money too. Maybe you should be making demands too instead of fighting against others doing it. I'm Italian, so they definitely do. However, I'm also smart enough to know that printing trillions of dollars to hand 7 figure checks out to select groups would: A) Do nothing to actually fix racism, quite the opposite. B) Tank the economy C) Be very bad for society in general. --- Please don't be creepy... <cite>SierraDawn posted [p:960398771] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>_HayleyWilliams posted... </cite> <quote>The government probably owes you money too. Maybe you should be making demands too instead of fighting against others doing it.</quote>I'm Italian, so they definitely do. However, I'm also smart enough to know that printing trillions of dollars to hand 7 figure checks out to select groups would: A) Do nothing to actually fix racism, quite the opposite. B) Tank the economy C) Be very bad for society in general. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 2:01:26 PM #92:	Solid Snake07 posted... The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed" UnfairRepresent posted... "A proposed improvement won't change the past or fix everything overnight so why do anything!?" has always been such an incredibly foolhardy argument. "Why fix the potholes in 7th avenue? People are still gonna drive drunk and crash their cars! I don't even use that road and my family didn't make those potholes!" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960398790] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote> The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed"</quote> UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>"A proposed improvement won't change the past or fix everything overnight so why do anything!?" has always been such an incredibly foolhardy argument. "Why fix the potholes in 7th avenue? People are still gonna drive drunk and crash their cars! I don't even use that road and my family didn't make those potholes!"</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/27/21 2:02:09 PM #93:	Solid Snake07 posted... Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does. You can't do that without material aid for past wrongs. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:960398810] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does.</quote>You can't do that without material aid for past wrongs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
greyfox747 11/27/21 2:03:42 PM #94:	SierraDawn posted... However, I'm also smart enough to know that printing trillions of dollars to hand 7 figure checks out to select groups would: Youre making up a scenario and getting mad about it --- Officially Certified Gamer Girl in 23 states <cite>greyfox747 posted [p:960398853] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>SierraDawn posted... </cite> <quote>However, I'm also smart enough to know that printing trillions of dollars to hand 7 figure checks out to select groups would:</quote>Youre making up a scenario and getting mad about it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 2:04:09 PM #95:	Was making an insincere critique of half a sentence from my entire post out of context supposed to mean something? --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960398863] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Was making an insincere critique of half a sentence from my entire post out of context supposed to mean something? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 11/27/21 2:04:42 PM #96:	Lol you have no answer to my points. Says it all. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:960398880] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Lol you have no answer to my points. Says it all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taharqa_ 11/27/21 2:05:16 PM #97:	Solid Snake07 posted... The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed" with the gesture of a handout that doesn't really change anything. Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does. Reparations is just a meaningless bandaid on a lacerated artery. No one is saying to forget the past, but you should also maybe think of looking forward to the future. And not that policy is completely irrelevant, but at the end of the day you can't exacly legislate love and tolerance into people. --- "We tried to tell y'all." - African-American proverb <cite>Taharqa_ posted [p:960398898] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed" with the gesture of a handout that doesn't really change anything. Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does. Reparations is just a meaningless bandaid on a lacerated artery. No one is saying to forget the past, but you should also maybe think of looking forward to the future. And not that policy is completely irrelevant, but at the end of the day you can't exacly legislate love and tolerance into people.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:05:20 PM #98:	Solid Snake07 posted... The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed" with the gesture of a handout that doesn't really change anything. Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does. Reparations is just a meaningless bandaid on a lacerated artery. No one is saying to forget the past, but you should also maybe think of looking forward to the future. And not that policy is completely irrelevant, but at the end of the day you can't exacly legislate love and tolerance into people. Are you also against prison sentences and all civil compensation? Those aren't going to undo what happened or eliminate crime and suffering from the world. You can't legislate peace. Everyone just needs to suck it up and work towards their future ancestors getting along with each other. --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960398900] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>The historical impact of slavery and jim crow is not going to be "fixed" with the gesture of a handout that doesn't really change anything. Making this country a more equitable place to live for everyone going forward does. Reparations is just a meaningless bandaid on a lacerated artery. No one is saying to forget the past, but you should also maybe think of looking forward to the future. And not that policy is completely irrelevant, but at the end of the day you can't exacly legislate love and tolerance into people.</quote>Are you also against prison sentences and all civil compensation? Those aren't going to undo what happened or eliminate crime and suffering from the world. You can't legislate peace. Everyone just needs to suck it up and work towards their future ancestors getting along with each other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 11/27/21 2:08:33 PM #99:	Antifar posted... You can't do that without material aid for past wrongs. Well, I suppose me and you are just going to have to disagree on that. I would say providing people an environment where they have the opportunity to prosper and elevate themselves in this life regardless of their background, racial or otherwise, is going to be far more effective than cutting them a "my bad" check. You know, teach a man to fish and all. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:960398984] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>You can't do that without material aid for past wrongs.</quote> Well, I suppose me and you are just going to have to disagree on that. I would say providing people an environment where they have the opportunity to prosper and elevate themselves in this life regardless of their background, racial or otherwise, is going to be far more effective than cutting them a "my bad" check. You know, teach a man to fish and all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_HayleyWilliams 11/27/21 2:10:27 PM #100:	Solid Snake07 posted... Well, I suppose me and you are just going to have to disagree on that. I would say providing people an environment where they have the opportunity to prosper and elevate themselves in this life regardless of their background, racial or otherwise, is going to be far more effective than cutting them a "my bad" check. You know, teach a man to fish and all. "Yeah I fucked up in the past, but how is me paying for my mistakes going to fix the future?" --- hockeybub89 <cite>_HayleyWilliams posted [p:960399025] in Kevin Sorb... [t:79781072]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Well, I suppose me and you are just going to have to disagree on that. I would say providing people an environment where they have the opportunity to prosper and elevate themselves in this life regardless of their background, racial or otherwise, is going to be far more effective than cutting them a "my bad" check. You know, teach a man to fish and all.</quote>"Yeah I fucked up in the past, but how is me paying for my mistakes going to fix the future?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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