Current Events > Raditz will never not be weird to me tbh.

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Literally Goku's brother, and he's around for like 10 mins and never mentioned ever again.

Feels like he should've just been a random mook and they just made him related to Goku at the last second before realizing they didn't care about him lol.

Also, it's funny that all of his attack names in the games are named after weekdays.

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Consider the fact that Goku didn't know his father's name until literally the most recent chapter of the ongoing Dragon Ball Super manga.

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I feel the same way TC. I also feel weird about King Cold.
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He's mentioned a couple times throughout the series, including super. If you want weird, go play FF12. Vaan mentions his brother Reks maybe twice in the storyline and then never again.

jeffhardyb0yz posted...

Who cares if its Gokus brother, family doesnt mean a lot to saiyans anyways

fuck that DB minus BS

Tbf, Vegeta seems to care a lot about his family. It's just Goku that doesn't since he's a huge fighting obsessed manchild.

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Family means jack shit to Saiyans

i dunno why thats weird to you, by far the biggest failing in dbz is that 90% of the cast becomes entirely irrelevant the moment something new and shiny shows up for goku to punch

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Yea Raditz should have been around longer. If I wrote dbz, Raditz would have lived and played the role Vegeta did. Actual Vegeta would die on earth in his invasion attempt alongside Nappa. Maybe Raditz would do a suicide attack on Vegeta or Frieza to stop him, cementing his redemption.

I read a fan fiction once like this. Raditz survives and goes on to fight on Namek against Frieza as a good guy. I wish it was canon

On that note... would SSJ Nappa just get a blonde moustache?

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SSj3 Raditz

Did you know that Raditz = Raddish

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the biggest failing at least for me is Toriyamas ability to not keep up continuity in things that should make sense. In super they have a mini tournament for the super dragon balls, which leads to them reviving U6s Earth. Instead of explaining Goku Black, or a character similar to him coming from that universe, from that Earth, they instead go into this long ridiculous storyline of a corrupt apprentice, who then merges with a carbon clone of himself shapeshifted into Goku.

I mean, people want to talk about shit storytelling, that's about as bad as Super 17, but at least Super 17 made some sense.

Ivany2008 posted...

the biggest failing at least for me is Toriyamas ability to not keep up continuity in things that should make sense. In super they have a mini tournament for the super dragon balls, which leads to them reviving U6s Earth. Instead of explaining Goku Black, or a character similar to him coming from that universe, from that Earth, they instead go into this long ridiculous storyline of a corrupt apprentice, who then merges with a carbon clone of himself shapeshifted into Goku.

I mean, people want to talk about shit storytelling, that's about as bad as Super 17, but at least Super 17 made some sense.

Seriously? I still haven't seen Super but I heard about Goku Black and I always assumed that he was from the multiverse

The Goku Black arc is probably the worst written arc in all of DB, but tbh I still really liked it. It's absolutely an arc you have to turn your brain off for and just enjoy the cool fights for, but Black is just a super entertaining villain. Plus, Future Trunks is my favorite DB character so that got bonus points. He should've stayed in the main timeline btw smh.

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Raditz is a plot device TC.

He is there for exposition and exposure to much more powerful characters for Goku from space (Goku was already the strongest warrior on earth)

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BipBapBam posted...

The Goku Black arc is probably the worst written arc in all of DB, but tbh I still really liked it. It's absolutely an arc you have to turn your brain off for and just enjoy the cool fights for, but Black is just a super entertaining villain. Plus, Future Trunks is my favorite DB character so that got bonus points. He should've stayed in the main timeline btw smh.

I wish somehow Black could've used Future Gohan's body.

Gohan has limitless potential , so if put into the right hands, he'd be deadly. Plus it would be a better plot point for Trunks to have to kill Gohan's body himself. Same with bringing in Goku to the battle. Plenty of narrative weight there

BigSLM1993 posted...

I wish somehow Black could've used Future Gohan's body.

Gohan has limitless potential , so if put into the right hands, he'd be deadly. Plus it would be a better plot point for Trunks to have to kill Gohan's body himself. Same with bringing in Goku to the battle. Plenty of narrative weight there

Toriyama had the opportunity to make Gohan the brains of the group during the universal tournament Arc. He even set Gohan up perfectly by having him and piccolo struggle to deal with an enemy that could redirect lasers from some hidden location. I thought for sure Gohan was going to actually use trigonometry or something to triangulate where the lasers were coming from to demonstrate both that he's tactical and to make use of all that schooling chi chi put him through. Instead piccolo just ran out there and played a game of hot and cold where the enemy kept blowing his arms off over and over again until they figured it out.

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Zikten posted...

Seriously? I still haven't seen Super but I heard about Goku Black and I always assumed that he was from the multiverse

Me trying to explain that fucking storyline would be harder than me having an aneurism. I'll try and sum it up in bare bones.
Goku, Supreme Kai, and Whis, maybe Beerus as well, go to a different universes Supreme Kai(each of the 12 universes have their own Supreme Kai) to talk about something, I forget what it was about. There they are introduced to an apprentice, who apparently hates his Supreme Kai enough to want to kill him. Long story short, Goku being the careless guy he is ends up pissing off the apprentice for him to literally go apeshit. Enter Trunks from a different universe/reality. In Trunks universe Goku has killed most of the people of Earth, that Goku is actually the apprentice who used the super dragonballs to look like Goku and become all powerful, that's how much he hated him. Then our universes Goku and others go to that reality to try and stop him. Somehow in all of that mess, that Fake-Goku who is called Goku Black merges with yet another apprentice from another alternate reality to become a super chaos evil god. The only being able to "kill him" is the Omni king, who is essentially the most powerful being in all realities. They then go to our Gokus other universe to stop the apprentice from killing his Supreme Kai, preventing him from starting up all that nonsense in the first place.... only in our reality.

Again... I'm missing a few points here and there, but its literally one of the worst storylines in all of anime, and I've watched the entire series of Evangelion and even that's easier to explain.

Piccolo in Super in general was just given the role of having his arm blown off every time he fought anyone to remind us he can regen. That was his entire purpose lmao.

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Zikten posted...

Seriously? I still haven't seen Super but I heard about Goku Black and I always assumed that he was from the multiverse

one thing about the DB multiverse is that it's not a typical "x characters in y different situation", but that it's more of an "x species in y different situation"

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It just really annoys me that they introduced the concept of different universes but then they are doing absolutely nothing with all that massive world building potential. Hell there can even be even more on top of the ones introduced that was restored because of the wish at the end of the universe survival tourny arc.

Ain't no one care about that lamer goku and vegeta is currently fighting in the super manga.....lets see whats up in the so called ultimate universe, universe 12, or somethin'

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MadDewg posted...

It just really annoys me that they introduced the concept of different universes but then they are doing absolutely nothing with all that massive world building potential. Hell there can even be even more on top of the ones introduced that was restored because of the wish at the end of the universe survival tourny arc.

Ain't no one care about that lamer goku and vegeta is currently fighting in the super manga.....lets see whats up in the so called ultimate universe, universe 12, or somethin'

what's strange is that at the end of the latest tournament 17 specifically asked to have all universes restored. By very definition, that should mean the ones that were destroyed when Zeno had his temper tantrum before the tournament even begun, meaning universes 13 through 18.

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BipBapBam posted...

Future Trunks should've stayed in the main timeline btw smh.

He should have done the whole Time Patrol thing from Xenoverse, it is supposed to be canon afterall. That would have been a great opportunity to introduce it. Have him vow to save other timelines from being ruined like his.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Goku literally died TWICE for his son. Fuck off with that bad father meme.

second time was after giving the murderer a sensu bean so he could kill his son

Goku is an awful awful father

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Raditz needs a movie tbh.

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Dragonball Super is Toriyama endorsed fanfiction as far as I'm concerned. Ever arc just ups the ridiculousness.

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BipBapBam posted...

Literally Goku's brother, and he's around for like 10 mins and never mentioned ever again.

You sure about that?




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Remember Vegetas brother?

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Remember Vegetas brother?

Tarble's introduction and Vegeta greeting him like he's kept in touch with him daily is one of the weirdest things in the franchise

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ultimate reaver posted...

i dunno why thats weird to you, by far the biggest failing in dbz is that 90% of the cast becomes entirely irrelevant the moment something new and shiny shows up for goku to punch

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I think Golden Frieza is bullcrap. Or Frieza being anywhere in Goku's league for that matter. Super Saiyan Goku obliterated Frieza, Super Saiyan God Goku is thousands of times stronger then vanilla Super Saiyan Goku. Theres absolutely no way that Frieza caught up just by "training."
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s0nicfan posted...

Toriyama had the opportunity to make Gohan the brains of the group during the universal tournament Arc. He even set Gohan up perfectly by having him and piccolo struggle to deal with an enemy that could redirect lasers from some hidden location. I thought for sure Gohan was going to actually use trigonometry or something to triangulate where the lasers were coming from to demonstrate both that he's tactical and to make use of all that schooling chi chi put him through. Instead piccolo just ran out there and played a game of hot and cold where the enemy kept blowing his arms off over and over again until they figured it out.

Toriyama didnt write any of that. We know this because none of that happened in the manga.

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IMO raditz was the series biggest missed potential

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Subtract the family connection and nothing changes.

King Cold is also totally moot. Delete him and nothing changes other than Trunk being slightly less limelit.

CapnMuffin posted...

Subtract the family connection and nothing changes.

King Cold is also totally moot. Delete him and nothing changes other than Trunk being slightly less limelit.

King Cold was still in his second stage and underestimated Trunks. Had Trunks let him transform, like Vegeta would have, there's a chance he may have been much stronger.
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Radeez nuts ha Goten!

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Duncanwii posted...

King Cold was still in his second stage and underestimated Trunks. Had Trunks let him transform, like Vegeta would have, there's a chance he may have been much stronger.

Cold cant transform.

Freezas final form is his base form. He made the other forms to weaken himself.

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Ivany2008 posted...

Vaan mentions his brother Reks maybe twice in the storyline and then never again.

Literally what. Am I being trolled

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ApherosyLove posted...

Literally what. Am I being trolled

Unless I'm misremembering, which I could be. He mentions it once during a brief flashback, and once when he interacts with Basch. The reason he wasn't mentioned more is because Vaan was a character tacked into the story literally at the last minute before the game was released.

Ivany2008 posted...

Unless I'm misremembering, which I could be.

Vaan's feeling of having lost Reks in the war is his most important connection to Ashe, who also feels the same way about losing her husband Rasler.

It's also the reason Vaan sees the visions the Occuria place to manipulate Ashe throughout the story, because Reks/Rasler die through similar circumstances and that's why Vaan wants to help Ashe.

They have a whole discussion about it in Jahara.

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ApherosyLove posted...

Vaan's feeling of having lost Reks in the war is his most important connection to Ashe, who also feels the same way about losing her husband Rasler.

It's also the reason Vaan sees the visions the Occuria place to manipulate Ashe throughout the story, because Reks/Rasler die through similar circumstances and that's why Vaan wants to help Ashe.

They have a whole discussion about it in Jahara.

and how many times outside of that was it brought up in the actual plot to drive the story forward? As a story plot point there should always be that driving force for him wanting to take revenge and to be part of the party. But outside of brief interactions and what you mentioned, its never actually used within the story past his interaction with Basch. I'll use a different example for a moment.

Dragonball Z, slight spoilers. They go to Namek to get the Namekian dragonballs to revive Piccolo thus bringing back Earths dragon balls to their planet. Even when they are introduced to Frieza the original plot point is still there. They are still trying to get the dragonballs to revive Piccolo. That's their original goal.

Vaans story makes no sense from start to finish. He is a street rat, so as a street rat he shouldn't have known Reks was dead in the first place unless it was broadcasted. Secondly, if it was broadcasted, it should have been the driving force for him wanting revenge throughout the entire game. Yes, it gives him a sympathetic edge with Ashe, but that only makes him relatable to her. Which affects her storyline, not his. As a character his struggle for revenge should have been placed much higher up there than it actually was. But as soon as the "main characters" were introduced, it took a back seat for their struggles, while his kind of washed out. To the point that even towards the end of the game, Balthier who up until that point didn't have a point in being in the party other than looking cool and giving sound advice, had more plot going for him than the 1st character we get control of when the main game starts.

I get why people like the game, I just can't stand it. There were so many points where the story could have been written a LOT better than it was. Ashe being introduced via Laguna type flashbacks from FF8, where she is working to restore her kingdom, Vaan having a driving force after the full party had been assembled, and a main villain who actually has screen time, rather than being shoved aside worse than Arthas/Lich King was in WoW: Wrath of the Lich King.

I went on a bit of a rant there, mainly because I love the FF series and JRPGs so much in general. I can forgive a lot of things, but sloppy writing, especially in a JRPG isn't one of them.

Ivany2008 posted...

As a story plot point there should always be that driving force for him wanting to take revenge and to be part of the party. But outside of brief interactions and what you mentioned, its never actually used within the story past his interaction with Basch.

True, but Vaan isn't the main character, and I'm sure you know that. I actually respect the game giving him his peace of mind so early in the game because it doesn't distract from Ashe's struggle, which is the main story focus. Otherwise you just have "that one teammate who won't shut up about his less important problems" syndrome. Like I agree Vaan should have been written better, but if it's what we got versus what Final Fantasy sometimes does ("I'm here to kill Chaos, that's all that matters") then I'd take the "the protagonist is not the main character" story any day. Besides, it doesn't have to be drilled in repeatedly to the audience that Vaan is pissed and wants revenge over and over again. Just because he realizes that he has to do things on his own terms doesn't mean he forgives the Empire, it just means he's not going to define himself by his hatred of it.

Ivany2008 posted...

he shouldn't have known Reks was dead in the first place unless it was broadcasted.

...okay, so Reks doesn't die in the castle. It's clearly stated that Reks tells Vaan and Vossler that Basch (Gabranth) betrayed the King and murdered him before turning on Reks, who then broadcast it, as it were, which is what allows Vayne to occupy Rabanastre and Basch become the scapegoat. Like that's another reason Vaan is upset at the Empire, his brother was lied to and those lies sparked the invasion, and it was rather mature of Vaan to realize that Basch doesn't even have to be forgiven, because Basch was used by Vayne and Gabranth, just as Reks and Vaan were.

I am adamant in my opinion that the story of FFXII is really fucking good, but it's biggest problem is its presentation/pacing, not its writing. Too many times, especially in the first playthrough, do you just forget what you're doing because it's been so long without a story beat. Or that you have to sit though Ondore's journals as a cutscene.

Ivany2008 posted...

I went on a bit of a rant there,

Dude, I don't even like DBZ or know shit all about it lmfao, I just clicked on the topic because Raditz is a silly name. That's why I thought I was being trolled: imagine going into a topic about a series you have no connection with only for some guy to hate on one of your favourite games. I was just surprised lmfao

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BipBapBam posted...

Plus, Future Trunks is my favorite DB character so that got bonus points.

I haven't seen Super but I loved him in Z. But that makes the arc sound even worse to me since it ruins his world.

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ApherosyLove posted...

True, but Vaan isn't the main character, and I'm sure you know that. I actually respect the game giving him his peace of mind so early in the game because it doesn't distract from Ashe's struggle, which is the main story focus. Otherwise you just have "that one teammate who won't shut up about his less important problems" syndrome. Like I agree Vaan should have been written better, but if it's what we got versus what Final Fantasy sometimes does ("I'm here to kill Chaos, that's all that matters") then I'd take the "the protagonist is not the main character" story any day. Besides, it doesn't have to be drilled in repeatedly to the audience that Vaan is pissed and wants revenge over and over again. Just because he realizes that he has to do things on his own terms doesn't mean he forgives the Empire, it just means he's not going to define himself by his hatred of it.

...okay, so Reks doesn't die in the castle. It's clearly stated that Reks tells Vaan and Vossler that Basch (Gabranth) betrayed the King and murdered him before turning on Reks, who then broadcast it, as it were, which is what allows Vayne to occupy Rabanastre and Basch become the scapegoat. Like that's another reason Vaan is upset at the Empire, his brother was lied to and those lies sparked the invasion, and it was rather mature of Vaan to realize that Basch doesn't even have to be forgiven, because Basch was used by Vayne and Gabranth, just as Reks and Vaan were.

I am adamant in my opinion that the story of FFXII is really fucking good, but it's biggest problem is its presentation/pacing, not its writing. Too many times, especially in the first playthrough, do you just forget what you're doing because it's been so long without a story beat. Or that you have to sit though Ondore's journals as a cutscene.

Dude, I don't even like DBZ or know shit all about it lmfao, I just clicked on the topic because Raditz is a silly name. That's why I thought I was being trolled: imagine going into a topic about a series you have no connection with only for some guy to hate on one of your favourite games. I was just surprised lmfao

I missed the point where he survived, again its been 15 years roughly. I still disagree with the story being remotely good, but that's on me. The same issues that plagued 15 plagued 12. The director somehow got replaced halfway through production so certain parts make no sense, as the new director was picking up the pieces. That said, at least everything else in 12 was good. Unlike 15 and Tabatas vision....