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joe40001 11/12/21 6:16:47 PM #51:	Important highlights: CRITICAL RACE THEORYS ORIGINS AS LEGAL THEORY Let's get back to what we were talking about. So words meanings are always changing. Words meanings are getting more specific. Now, there's a term that we're using lately as if those two, frankly rather obvious, things weren't true. And that term is, get ready for it: critical race theory. We really need just some simple perspectives from linguistics to cut through a lot of one of the weirdest, messiest controversies I've seen in a long time, because nobody quite understands what the other person is talking about. And so critical race theory begins with obscure legal theory articles a good 35, 40 years ago. And they had a particular subject matter. They were about reconceiving our sense of how society works on the basis of power relations, which are so entrenched that we might reconsider the very philosophical foundations of the republic. That is one of the arguments in this body of work. And this body of work was, as legal scholarship, also about how we might reconceive our very notion of what justice is. So this is law school stuff. This is legal scholarship and it was titled Critical Race Theory. Now, today we're hearing that critical race theory is being used in schools and it's something quite different from what these legal papers were about because critical race theory has come to refer to different things than it happened to in, for example, 1985. This is what happens. So Democratic doesn't mean today what it meant in 1920. Diversity today doesn't mean what it meant as recently as, say, 1975. Critical race theory what we mean by that has extended from what it originally meant into something that is different, related, but different. *IS CRT* BEING TAUGHT TO SCHOOLCHILDREN?** So to take an extreme, and this is an extreme, there are schools where people are teaching a way of looking at things that's rooted in critical race theory, but certainly is not about exposing nine or 12 or even 15 year olds to articles written for legal scholars decades ago. But for example, there's the Dalton School in New York City and there is an anonymous letter from parents where they describe the sort of thing that has been going on at that particular school. It's something different from preaching from legal articles. So, quote: Every class this year has had an obsessive focus on race and identity, racist cop reenactments in science, decentering whiteness in art class, learning about white supremacy and sexuality in health class. In place of a joyful progressive education, students are exposed to an excessive focus on skin color and sexuality before they even understand what sex is. Children are bewildered or bored after hours of discussing these topics in the new long format classes. Now, that's not happening everywhere, but it is a useful peek at what is alarming many parents. What we have to understand is that when that is called critical race theory, we're talking about what that term has come to apply to in the wake of the original articles, but it doesn't refer anymore to the articles in question. So there's a pushback against that happening in the schools. And you should understand that my point here is only to be a linguist, not to editorialize about those things. As most of you know, I do that elsewhere. But my issue here is to say that if there's going to be a coherent debate about these things, we have to understand that the pushback against the kind of thing I just described is not against exploring the operations of power. It's not against students supposedly being introduced to a whole reconception of what justice should be. Almost nobody is teaching that to schoolchildren. The idea is the modern manifestation of CRT, as it's called, and that's less about legal theory than about, for example, separating students by race to teach them that race and power relations are deeply embedded in our fabric. It is having anti-racism be the core of pretty much all teaching in the schools. The people who came up with critical race theory weren't thinking about school pedagogy at all. This is the morphing of the term and what it applies to over time. Or there's a general theme that you might teach that the whole American experiment has essentially been a kind of a, a crime spree. Now that, although the CRT people don't put it that way, it is a reflection of what those legal scholars thought. But the fact is, the package that is being taught in many schools today, and it really is, is not critical race theory as a legal scholar would have recognized it 30 years ago. Critical race theory as we discuss it today, is more specific than what these legal scholars were talking about. It's not about legal scholarship and the entire foundations of the nation. It's a particular pedagogical teaching program and a particular set of practices. So it's more specific. So all the people I just quoted need to really read and digest those 2 paragraphs. Once you do, this whole conversation will become much more honest and practical. PS: If you want to listen to these 2 paragraphs they start at 7:15 and last like 5 min: https://www.booksmartstudios.org/p/lexicon-valley-the-morphing-of-critical --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959944551] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Important highlights: <quote>CRITICAL RACE THEORYS ORIGINS AS LEGAL THEORY Let's get back to what we were talking about. So words meanings are always changing. Words meanings are getting more specific. Now, there's a term that we're using lately as if those two, frankly rather obvious, things weren't true. And that term is, get ready for it: critical race theory. We really need just some simple perspectives from linguistics to cut through a lot of one of the weirdest, messiest controversies I've seen in a long time, because nobody quite understands what the other person is talking about. And so critical race theory begins with obscure legal theory articles a good 35, 40 years ago. And they had a particular subject matter. They were about reconceiving our sense of how society works on the basis of power relations, which are so entrenched that we might reconsider the very philosophical foundations of the republic. That is one of the arguments in this body of work. And this body of work was, as legal scholarship, also about how we might reconceive our very notion of what justice is. So this is law school stuff. This is legal scholarship and it was titled Critical Race Theory. Now, today we're hearing that critical race theory is being used in schools and it's something quite different from what these legal papers were about because critical race theory has come to refer to different things than it happened to in, for example, 1985. This is what happens. So Democratic doesn't mean today what it meant in 1920. Diversity today doesn't mean what it meant as recently as, say, 1975. Critical race theory what we mean by that has extended from what it originally meant into something that is different, related, but different. IS CRT BEING TAUGHT TO SCHOOLCHILDREN? So to take an extreme, and this is an extreme, there are schools where people are teaching a way of looking at things that's rooted in critical race theory, but certainly is not about exposing nine or 12 or even 15 year olds to articles written for legal scholars decades ago. But for example, there's the Dalton School in New York City and there is an anonymous letter from parents where they describe the sort of thing that has been going on at that particular school. It's something different from preaching from legal articles. So, quote: Every class this year has had an obsessive focus on race and identity, racist cop reenactments in science, decentering whiteness in art class, learning about white supremacy and sexuality in health class. In place of a joyful progressive education, students are exposed to an excessive focus on skin color and sexuality before they even understand what sex is. Children are bewildered or bored after hours of discussing these topics in the new long format classes. Now, that's not happening everywhere, but it is a useful peek at what is alarming many parents. What we have to understand is that when that is called critical race theory, we're talking about what that term has come to apply to in the wake of the original articles, but it doesn't refer anymore to the articles in question. So there's a pushback against that happening in the schools. And you should understand that my point here is only to be a linguist, not to editorialize about those things. As most of you know, I do that elsewhere. But my issue here is to say that if there's going to be a coherent debate about these things, we have to understand that the pushback against the kind of thing I just described is not against exploring the operations of power. It's not against students supposedly being introduced to a whole reconception of what justice should be. Almost nobody is teaching that to schoolchildren. The idea is the modern manifestation of CRT, as it's called, and that's less about legal theory than about, for example, separating students by race to teach them that race and power relations are deeply embedded in our fabric. It is having anti-racism be the core of pretty much all teaching in the schools. The people who came up with critical race theory weren't thinking about school pedagogy at all. This is the morphing of the term and what it applies to over time. Or there's a general theme that you might teach that the whole American experiment has essentially been a kind of a, a crime spree. Now that, although the CRT people don't put it that way, it is a reflection of what those legal scholars thought. But the fact is, the package that is being taught in many schools today, and it really is, is not critical race theory as a legal scholar would have recognized it 30 years ago. Critical race theory as we discuss it today, is more specific than what these legal scholars were talking about. It's not about legal scholarship and the entire foundations of the nation. It's a particular pedagogical teaching program and a particular set of practices. So it's more specific.</quote> So all the people I just quoted need to really read and digest those 2 paragraphs. Once you do, this whole conversation will become much more honest and practical. PS: If you want to listen to these 2 paragraphs they start at 7:15 and last like 5 min: https://www.booksmartstudios.org/p/lexicon-valley-the-morphing-of-critical </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 11/12/21 6:18:49 PM #52:	People still ask about CRTs? I haven't used one since 2008. They have a nice 90s and 2000s vibe, but modern LCD and LED monitors are much superior for general use today. Granted, I suppose for a retro gamer setup, a CRT can be good, but good luck finding one in reasonable condition that isn't priced insanely. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:959944618] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>People still ask about CRTs? I haven't used one since 2008. They have a nice 90s and 2000s vibe, but modern LCD and LED monitors are much superior for general use today. Granted, I suppose for a retro gamer setup, a CRT can be good, but good luck finding one in reasonable condition that isn't priced insanely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/12/21 6:22:07 PM #53:	joe40001 posted... Important highlights: So all the people I just quoted need to really read and digest those 2 paragraphs. Once you do, this whole conversation will become much more honest and practical. I read the transcript. the meaning hasn't shifted; there is a moral panic about Critical Race Theory from people who don't know what it is. simultaneously, there are laws being written which actively prevent people from teaching about race. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:959944719] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>Important highlights: So all the people I just quoted need to really read and digest those 2 paragraphs. Once you do, this whole conversation will become much more honest and practical.</quote>I read the transcript. the meaning hasn't shifted; there is a moral panic about Critical Race Theory from people who don't know what it is. simultaneously, there are laws being written which actively prevent people from teaching about race. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 11/12/21 6:51:29 PM #54:	Has CRT become the new SJW? --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:959945512] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Has CRT become the new SJW? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 11/12/21 7:06:42 PM #55:	I've figured out that every single time someone attacks CRT what they're actually attacking is intersectional feminism as a whole, I see the only way to solve this is to do a hard sell of intersectional feminism to the public. There needs to public debate on this matter on a grand scale, make it an entertainment spectacle where all the conversations we as a nation have been putting off for a very long time can happen with as many eyes on them as possible. We all know where the borders of the abyssal chasm that is our cultural divide lie but we need to explore Pandora's hole itself together and rescue the hope trapped at the bottom before it kills itself out of sheer loneliness --- There was a sig here It's gone now <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:959945920] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>I've figured out that every single time someone attacks CRT what they're actually attacking is intersectional feminism as a whole, I see the only way to solve this is to do a hard sell of intersectional feminism to the public. There needs to public debate on this matter on a grand scale, make it an entertainment spectacle where all the conversations we as a nation have been putting off for a very long time can happen with as many eyes on them as possible. We all know where the borders of the abyssal chasm that is our cultural divide lie but we need to explore Pandora's hole itself together and rescue the hope trapped at the bottom before it kills itself out of sheer loneliness </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 11/13/21 5:27:13 PM #56:	averagejoel posted... I read the transcript. the meaning hasn't shifted; there is a moral panic about Critical Race Theory from people who don't know what it is. simultaneously, there are laws being written which actively prevent people from teaching about race. I am very glad that you read it. Like he concludes that section: "Critical race theory as we discuss it today, is more specific than what these legal scholars were talking about. It's not about legal scholarship and the entire foundations of the nation. It's a particular pedagogical teaching program and a particular set of practices." There really isn't another term in society to describe this "anti-racist" (As defined by Kendi) style of teaching young children. People have latched on to the term CRT because a lot of these styles of thinking trace their roots to CRT, and because frankly there isn't another term. So the claim that "CRT isn't being taught to children" is at best pedantic. Because this teaching style derived from CRT, which most people call CRT, is being taught in schools. And that's what people object to. You hear stories of white kids coming home and asking their parent "Mom, why can't I be friends with my black friend?" and stuff like that is fucking chilling. And stuff like that is the downstream consequence of getting small children together and segregating by race. Baked into Kendi style "anti-racism" is the idea that there is no such thing as "not racist". He explicitly says this. And so he and people of a similar ilk actively resist any formulations of society or teaching that try to move past racism. Things like this are CRT. Yes, it is an new definition of a word, but in some ways it isn't. Until the past few years, no common person even knew the term "Critical Race Theory" and so for many people this new definition of "Critical Race Theory", referring to an arguably harmful style of teaching, is their first and only definition of the term. That is what the great many people mean when they use the term. So hopefully now it's more clear to you what people mean when they say CRT. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:959970441] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I read the transcript. the meaning hasn't shifted; there is a moral panic about Critical Race Theory from people who don't know what it is. simultaneously, there are laws being written which actively prevent people from teaching about race.</quote> I am very glad that you read it. Like he concludes that section: <quote>"Critical race theory as we discuss it today, is more specific than what these legal scholars were talking about. It's not about legal scholarship and the entire foundations of the nation. It's a particular pedagogical teaching program and a particular set of practices."</quote> There really isn't another term in society to describe this "anti-racist" (As defined by Kendi) style of teaching young children. People have latched on to the term CRT because a lot of these styles of thinking trace their roots to CRT, and because frankly there isn't another term. So the claim that "CRT isn't being taught to children" is at best pedantic. Because this teaching style derived from CRT, which most people call CRT, is being taught in schools. And that's what people object to. You hear stories of white kids coming home and asking their parent "Mom, why can't I be friends with my black friend?" and stuff like that is fucking chilling. And stuff like that is the downstream consequence of getting small children together and segregating by race. Baked into Kendi style "anti-racism" is the idea that there is no such thing as "not racist". He explicitly says this. And so he and people of a similar ilk actively resist any formulations of society or teaching that try to move past racism. Things like this are CRT. Yes, it is an new definition of a word, but in some ways it isn't. Until the past few years, no common person even knew the term "Critical Race Theory" and so for many people this new definition of "Critical Race Theory", referring to an arguably harmful style of teaching, is their first and only definition of the term. That is what the great many people mean when they use the term. So hopefully now it's more clear to you what people mean when they say CRT. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/14/21 8:05:58 PM #57:	joe40001 posted... There really isn't another term in society to describe this "anti-racist" (As defined by Kendi) style of teaching young children. People have latched on to the term CRT because a lot of these styles of thinking trace their roots to CRT, and because frankly there isn't another term. So the claim that "CRT isn't being taught to children" is at best pedantic. Because this teaching style derived from CRT, which most people call CRT, is being taught in schools. And that's what people object to. there is a word for people who object to anti-racism being taught to children. You hear stories of white kids coming home and asking their parent "Mom, why can't I be friends with my black friend?" and stuff like that is fucking chilling. And stuff like that is the downstream consequence of getting small children together and segregating by race. maybe you hear stories like that and take them at face value. I don't, and I suggest that you should stop doing that. Baked into Kendi style "anti-racism" is the idea that there is no such thing as "not racist". He explicitly says this. And so he and people of a similar ilk actively resist any formulations of society or teaching that try to move past racism. this is completely, 100% false. you would recognize this if you had so much as read the wikipedia synopsis of "How to be an Antiracist" Things like this are CRT. Yes, it is an new definition of a word, but in some ways it isn't. Until the past few years, no common person even knew the term "Critical Race Theory" and so for many people this new definition of "Critical Race Theory", referring to an arguably harmful style of teaching, is their first and only definition of the term. That is what the great many people mean when they use the term. So hopefully now it's more clear to you what people mean when they say CRT. no, right-wing tabloids publishing clickbait stories about one white kid who got upset is not critical race theory, and in the future, you should consider sourcing your opinions from somewhere other than your ass --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960004312] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>There really isn't another term in society to describe this "anti-racist" (As defined by Kendi) style of teaching young children. People have latched on to the term CRT because a lot of these styles of thinking trace their roots to CRT, and because frankly there isn't another term. So the claim that "CRT isn't being taught to children" is at best pedantic. Because this teaching style derived from CRT, which most people call CRT, is being taught in schools. And that's what people object to.</quote>there is a word for people who object to anti-racism being taught to children. <quote>You hear stories of white kids coming home and asking their parent "Mom, why can't I be friends with my black friend?" and stuff like that is fucking chilling. And stuff like that is the downstream consequence of getting small children together and segregating by race.</quote>maybe you hear stories like that and take them at face value. I don't, and I suggest that you should stop doing that. <quote>Baked into Kendi style "anti-racism" is the idea that there is no such thing as "not racist". He explicitly says this. And so he and people of a similar ilk actively resist any formulations of society or teaching that try to move past racism.</quote>this is completely, 100% false. you would recognize this if you had so much as read the wikipedia synopsis of "How to be an Antiracist" <quote>Things like this are CRT. Yes, it is an new definition of a word, but in some ways it isn't. Until the past few years, no common person even knew the term "Critical Race Theory" and so for many people this new definition of "Critical Race Theory", referring to an arguably harmful style of teaching, is their first and only definition of the term. That is what the great many people mean when they use the term. So hopefully now it's more clear to you what people mean when they say CRT.</quote>no, right-wing tabloids publishing clickbait stories about one white kid who got upset is not critical race theory, and in the future, you should consider sourcing your opinions from somewhere other than your ass </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 11/14/21 8:08:04 PM #58:	AngelsNAirwav3s posted... https://youtu.be/m66rcHzWaPU Here you go This dude is a fucking pundit --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:960004367] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>AngelsNAirwav3s posted... </cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/m66rcHzWaPU Here you go</quote>This dude is a fucking pundit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 11/14/21 10:19:16 PM #59:	averagejoel posted... no, right-wing tabloids publishing clickbait stories about one white kid who got upset is not critical race theory, and in the future, you should consider sourcing your opinions from somewhere other than your ass lmao --- "if i was a woman i would mail kyle rittenhouse my panties." ~ledbowman "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:960007528] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>no, right-wing tabloids publishing clickbait stories about one white kid who got upset is not critical race theory, and in the future, you should consider sourcing your opinions from somewhere other than your ass</quote> lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheoryzC 11/15/21 5:25:47 AM #60:	Garioshi posted... This dude is a fucking pundit To add to this https://streamable.com/5rl820 --- This is where my sigs suppose to be. <cite>TheoryzC posted [p:960013555] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Garioshi posted... </cite> <quote>This dude is a fucking pundit</quote>To add to this https://streamable.com/5rl820 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 11/15/21 5:44:12 AM #61:	"Hey, can we get the opinions of authentic black people, and not these dirty inauthentic 'blacks' with the wrong black people opinions?" --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:960013688] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>"Hey, can we get the opinions of authentic black people, and not these dirty inauthentic 'blacks' with the wrong black people opinions?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rexcrk 11/15/21 6:28:56 AM #62:	I feel like theyd have HDTVs at this point, so they probably dont use CRTs. --- Bah weep grannah weep ni ni bon <cite>rexcrk posted [p:960014106] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>I feel like theyd have HDTVs at this point, so they probably dont use CRTs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Total_Lost2 11/15/21 6:41:11 AM #64:	Taharqa_ posted... Oh, she's very much of the Candace Owens ilk. She doesn't even know what CRT is when Roland Martin pressed her on defining it. https://youtu.be/IsiPBcVLVrk Two minutes in and you could tell she is full of shit. Kind of surprised I listened to that whole thing --- Just when you think you see a silver lining, God makes you blind....the ***** Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici <cite>Total_Lost2 posted [p:960014213] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Taharqa_ posted... </cite> <quote>Oh, she's very much of the Candace Owens ilk. She doesn't even know what CRT is when Roland Martin pressed her on defining it. https://youtu.be/IsiPBcVLVrk Two minutes in and you could tell she is full of shit.</quote> Kind of surprised I listened to that whole thing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/15/21 10:43:24 AM #65:	shnangyboos posted... "Hey, can we get the opinions of authentic black people, and not these dirty inauthentic 'blacks' with the wrong black people opinions?" you should consider engaging with the words that people actually say instead of making things up --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960018087] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>shnangyboos posted... </cite> <quote>"Hey, can we get the opinions of authentic black people, and not these dirty inauthentic 'blacks' with the wrong black people opinions?"</quote>you should consider engaging with the words that people actually say instead of making things up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/21 10:46:49 AM #66:	Coleman Hughes had talked about it and reported. One black mom is suing a school district since they subjected her son to shaming or a failing grade (father is non-black) --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960018155] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Coleman Hughes had talked about it and reported. One black mom is suing a school district since they subjected her son to shaming or a failing grade (father is non-black) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 11/15/21 11:01:20 AM #67:	the real question is why do we care what any one person thinks about CRT we should care about what representative samples of the entire population think about material that is actually being taught to their children, and relentlessly shit on people who pretend that individual people's viewpoints on what is not being taught to their children matter in any way --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:960018498] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>the real question is why do we care what any one person thinks about CRT we should care about what representative samples of the entire population think about material that is actually being taught to their children, and relentlessly shit on people who pretend that individual people's viewpoints on what is not being taught to their children matter in any way </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/15/21 11:02:50 AM #68:	Dathrowed1 posted... Coleman Hughes had talked about it and reported. One black mom is suing a school district since they subjected her son to shaming or a failing grade (father is non-black) why yes, the people responsible for the moral panic around critical race theory can cherry pick black people who also don't know what critical race theory is and use them to improve the image of their narrative. how astute of you to point that out --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960018539] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Coleman Hughes had talked about it and reported. One black mom is suing a school district since they subjected her son to shaming or a failing grade (father is non-black)</quote>why yes, the people responsible for the moral panic around critical race theory can cherry pick black people who also don't know what critical race theory is and use them to improve the image of their narrative. how astute of you to point that out </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 11/15/21 11:12:21 AM #69:	https://medium.com/unsafe-space/is-critical-race-theory-racist-f32cb8a7233d <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:960018797] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>https://medium.com/unsafe-space/is-critical-race-theory-racist-f32cb8a7233d </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 11/15/21 11:17:13 AM #70:	I dont have kids in school so I dont really care what they teach but I think they should focus on the 3 rs --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:960018940] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>I dont have kids in school so I dont really care what they teach but I think they should focus on the 3 rs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/21 11:20:26 AM #71:	averagejoel posted... why yes, the people responsible for the moral panic around critical race theory can cherry pick black people who also don't know what critical race theory is and use them to improve the image of their narrative. how astute of you to point that out Well it is on you to explain to this mom why they are teaching her son as having privileged and should feel shame just because of who his father was --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960019030] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>why yes, the people responsible for the moral panic around critical race theory can cherry pick black people who also don't know what critical race theory is and use them to improve the image of their narrative. how astute of you to point that out</quote>Well it is on you to explain to this mom why they are teaching her son as having privileged and should feel shame just because of who his father was </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Teh_Dr_Phil 11/15/21 11:21:14 AM #72:	Shablagoo posted... Yeah her agenda was easy to see as soon as she started talking. Oh this is lulzy coming from you --- Yep. <cite>Teh_Dr_Phil posted [p:960019051] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah her agenda was easy to see as soon as she started talking.</quote>Oh this is lulzy coming from you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/15/21 11:47:27 AM #73:	Dathrowed1 posted... Well it is on you to explain to this mom why they are teaching her son as having privileged and should feel shame just because of who his father was I remember a few years ago there was a moral panic about elementary school kids supposedly learning about anal sex. as it turned out, they were not -- it was just a section in their Health class (or whatever the equivalent was called) that included some stuff about queer people. that is to say: it is on you to show that what you said is actually happening, rather than people lying and/or taking things wildly out of context --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960019748] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Well it is on you to explain to this mom why they are teaching her son as having privileged and should feel shame just because of who his father was</quote>I remember a few years ago there was a moral panic about elementary school kids supposedly learning about anal sex. as it turned out, they were not -- it was just a section in their Health class (or whatever the equivalent was called) that included some stuff about queer people. that is to say: it is on you to show that what you said is actually happening, rather than people lying and/or taking things wildly out of context </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/21 12:56:14 PM #74:	averagejoel posted... I remember a few years ago there was a moral panic about elementary school kids supposedly learning about anal sex. as it turned out, they were not -- it was just a section in their Health class (or whatever the equivalent was called) that included some stuff about queer people. that is to say: it is on you to show that what you said is actually happening, rather than people lying and/or taking things wildly out of context She is taking it to court and was offered a settlement which she refused so if you want to say I have burden of proof, then it's met. The ball is back with you --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960021725] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I remember a few years ago there was a moral panic about elementary school kids supposedly learning about anal sex. as it turned out, they were not -- it was just a section in their Health class (or whatever the equivalent was called) that included some stuff about queer people. that is to say: it is on you to show that what you said is actually happening, rather than people lying and/or taking things wildly out of context</quote>She is taking it to court and was offered a settlement which she refused so if you want to say I have burden of proof, then it's met. The ball is back with you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 11/15/21 1:09:30 PM #76:	Dathrowed1 posted... She is taking it to court and was offered a settlement which she refused so if you want to say I have burden of proof, then it's met. The ball is back with you I think it's believable that someone might be going to court over issues related to racism in school. I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory also, you have not provided any sources, so I remain skeptical of the whole thing until you do --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960022130] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>She is taking it to court and was offered a settlement which she refused so if you want to say I have burden of proof, then it's met. The ball is back with you</quote>I think it's believable that someone might be going to court over issues related to racism in school. I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory also, you have not provided any sources, so I remain skeptical of the whole thing until you do </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/21 1:59:34 PM #77:	averagejoel posted... I think it's believable that someone might be going to court over issues related to racism in school. I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory also, you have not provided any sources, so I remain skeptical of the whole thing until you do https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/03/15/lawsuit- biracial-high-school-student-receives-failing-grade-in-sociology-class -after-refusing-to-attach-aspects-of -identity-to-oppression-and-dominance/ --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960023867] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I think it's believable that someone might be going to court over issues related to racism in school. I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory also, you have not provided any sources, so I remain skeptical of the whole thing until you do</quote>https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/03/15/lawsuit- biracial-high-school-student-receives-failing-grade-in-sociology-class -after-refusing-to-attach-aspects-of -identity-to-oppression-and-dominance/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/15/21 2:32:30 PM #78:	Dathrowed1 posted... https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/03/15/lawsuit- biracial-high-school-student-receives-failing-grade-in-sociology-class -after-refusing-to-attach-aspects-of -identity-to-oppression-and-dominance/ I deleted both spaces from that link and I still got "Oops! That page cant be found" so i googled "biracial-high-school-student-receives-failing-grade-in-sociology-class -after-refusing-to-attach-aspects-of -identity-to-oppression-and-dominance" and found zero results that were not from tabloids. burden of proof is still on you edit: okay I just tried the first part of the link and... yeah, there's enough fishy stuff just in that article that I don't trust it. find a better source --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960024989] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/03/15/lawsuit- biracial-high-school-student-receives-failing-grade-in-sociology-class -after-refusing-to-attach-aspects-of -identity-to-oppression-and-dominance/</quote>I deleted both spaces from that link and I still got "Oops! That page cant be found" so i googled "biracial-high-school-student-receives-failing-grade-in-sociology-class -after-refusing-to-attach-aspects-of -identity-to-oppression-and-dominance" and found zero results that were not from tabloids. burden of proof is still on you edit: okay I just tried the first part of the link and... yeah, there's enough fishy stuff just in that article that I don't trust it. find a better source </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/21 3:44:28 PM #79:	averagejoel posted... okay I just tried the first part of the link and... yeah, there's enough fishy stuff just in that article that I don't trust it Not my problem --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960027261] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>okay I just tried the first part of the link and... yeah, there's enough fishy stuff just in that article that I don't trust it</quote>Not my problem </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/15/21 4:17:22 PM #80:	Dathrowed1 posted... Not my problem if you want people to believe what you say, and the evidence you provide is insufficient or your source is tenuous, then yes, it is your problem. burden of proof is still on you --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960028238] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Not my problem</quote>if you want people to believe what you say, and the evidence you provide is insufficient or your source is tenuous, then yes, it is your problem. burden of proof is still on you </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dathrowed1 11/15/21 5:03:17 PM #82:	averagejoel posted... if you want people to believe what you say, and the evidence you provide is insufficient or your source is tenuous, then yes, it is your problem. burden of proof is still on you I never said I wanted you to believe it. I posted it and you rejected it because of your own prejudice --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960029542] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>if you want people to believe what you say, and the evidence you provide is insufficient or your source is tenuous, then yes, it is your problem. burden of proof is still on you</quote>I never said I wanted you to believe it. I posted it and you rejected it because of your own prejudice </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RustyFerret 11/15/21 5:19:21 PM #83:	Dathrowed1 posted... I never said I wanted you to believe it. I posted it and you rejected it because of your own prejudice https://www.fairforall.org/ gabrielle-pdfs/schoolhouserights-org-nevada-complaint_compressed.pdf Here's the court document, complete with samples from the school course the mother objected to. What happened to this case anyway? It's my first time hearing about it. <cite>RustyFerret posted [p:960029994] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>I never said I wanted you to believe it. I posted it and you rejected it because of your own prejudice</quote>https://www.fairforall.org/ gabrielle-pdfs/schoolhouserights-org-nevada-complaint_compressed.pdf Here's the court document, complete with samples from the school course the mother objected to. What happened to this case anyway? It's my first time hearing about it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sackgurl 11/15/21 5:27:31 PM #84:	Dathrowed1 posted... Well it is on you to explain [to every moron running their mouth on video] is it though --- LittleBigPlanet is like merging dress-up with a real game. <cite>Sackgurl posted [p:960030234] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>Well it is on you to explain [to every moron running their mouth on video]</quote> is it though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 11/15/21 5:46:10 PM #86:	Dathrowed1 posted... I never said I wanted you to believe it. I posted it and you rejected it because of your own prejudice yes, I will freely admit that I am prejudiced against tabloids. that's why an actual source is necessary to convince me --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960030744] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>I never said I wanted you to believe it. I posted it and you rejected it because of your own prejudice</quote>yes, I will freely admit that I am prejudiced against tabloids. that's why an actual source is necessary to convince me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/15/21 6:56:18 PM #87:	averagejoel posted... yes, I will freely admit that I am prejudiced against tabloids. that's why an actual source is necessary to convince me There is one posted --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960032787] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>yes, I will freely admit that I am prejudiced against tabloids. that's why an actual source is necessary to convince me</quote>There is one posted </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BeantownHero 11/15/21 7:25:35 PM #88:	Dathrowed1 posted... There is one posted and it sucks --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america <cite>BeantownHero posted [p:960033580] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>There is one posted</quote> and it sucks </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/16/21 3:32:46 AM #89:	Dathrowed1 posted... There is one posted I'm certainly not going to accept that article at face value, and I'm going to be suspicious of anyone who is --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960043961] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>There is one posted</quote>I'm certainly not going to accept that article at face value, and I'm going to be suspicious of anyone who is </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/16/21 7:56:53 AM #90:	BeantownHero posted... and it sucks averagejoel posted... I'm certainly not going to accept that article at face value, and I'm going to be suspicious of anyone who is RustyFerret posted the court form --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960046538] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>BeantownHero posted... </cite> <quote>and it sucks</quote> averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I'm certainly not going to accept that article at face value, and I'm going to be suspicious of anyone who is</quote>RustyFerret posted the court form </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/16/21 3:13:47 PM #91:	Dathrowed1 posted... RustyFerret posted the court form this conversation with you is definitely not worth reading a 188 page court document for --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960056964] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>RustyFerret posted the court form</quote>this conversation with you is definitely not worth reading a 188 page court document for </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dathrowed1 11/16/21 4:52:10 PM #93:	averagejoel posted... this conversation with you is definitely not worth reading a 188 page court document for You need to read 188 pages to know it is real? --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960059945] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>this conversation with you is definitely not worth reading a 188 page court document for</quote>You need to read 188 pages to know it is real? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/16/21 4:55:10 PM #94:	Dathrowed1 posted... You need to read 188 pages to know it is real? averagejoel posted... I think it's believable that someone might be going to court over issues related to racism in school. I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960060022] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>You need to read 188 pages to know it is real?</quote> averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I think it's believable that someone might be going to court over issues related to racism in school. I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/16/21 4:56:25 PM #95:	averagejoel posted... I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory What would you attribute it to then? What would you call it? --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960060069] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I do not find it believable that someone telling a kid that he "should feel shame just because of who his father was" is attributable to critical race theory</quote>What would you attribute it to then? What would you call it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 11/16/21 5:15:52 PM #97:	Dathrowed1 posted... What would you attribute it to then? What would you call it? I would attribute it to the student making things up instead of engaging with the actual material; probably because it makes him uncomfortable. (disclaimer: I don't actually care why he's doing it; there are other possible explanations) I guess the term for that is a strawman argument --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960060639] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>What would you attribute it to then? What would you call it?</quote>I would attribute it to the student making things up instead of engaging with the actual material; probably because it makes him uncomfortable. (disclaimer: I don't actually care why he's doing it; there are other possible explanations) I guess the term for that is a strawman argument </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/16/21 5:21:37 PM #98:	averagejoel posted... I would attribute it to the student making things up instead of engaging with the actual material; probably because it makes him uncomfortable. From the course of the case. It doesn't look like he is making it up --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960060794] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>I would attribute it to the student making things up instead of engaging with the actual material; probably because it makes him uncomfortable.</quote>From the course of the case. It doesn't look like he is making it up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 11/16/21 5:24:14 PM #99:	Dathrowed1 posted... From the course of the case. It doesn't look like he is making it up based on the pictures of the powerpoint slides, it does not look like he was actually engaging with the content of the course. this means that he was making things up --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:960060853] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>Dathrowed1 posted... </cite> <quote>From the course of the case. It doesn't look like he is making it up</quote>based on the pictures of the powerpoint slides, it does not look like he was actually engaging with the content of the course. this means that he was making things up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dathrowed1 11/16/21 5:41:20 PM #100:	averagejoel posted... based on the pictures of the powerpoint slides, it does not look like he was actually engaging with the content of the course. this means that he was making things up It seems to have gone as far as the school trying to reach a settlement with them, so I doubt this is the case --- sig <cite>Dathrowed1 posted [p:960061312] in Are parent... [t:79756267]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>based on the pictures of the powerpoint slides, it does not look like he was actually engaging with the content of the course. this means that he was making things up</quote>It seems to have gone as far as the school trying to reach a settlement with them, so I doubt this is the case </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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