Current Events > Young Left-wing politician criticize Greta Thunberg.

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Lisa Nbo, leader of the Swedish Socialdemocratic partys youth wing, held a speech yesterday at the partys national congress. Part of her speech was aimed at Greta Thunberg:

Lisa said that it will never be enough to just make demands without coming with solutions yourself. Becoming involved in politics is more important than being an activist (opposite of what Greta says). The solutions to the climate crisis will not be party politically neutral. If young people want change then they need to enter politics because if a portion of all who participate in Gretas global protest organisation got involved in politics, then they could steer the direction of ruling parties with sheer numbers.



https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/7djnj4/ssu-kritik-mot-thunberg-kommer-aldrig-racka

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She makes a good point

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How dare she!

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She just turned 18 and a good portion of the world hates her guts. I'd give her some time to become a politician lol
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I mean, that pretty mild "criticism". More of a critique really.

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indica posted...

She makes a good point

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inb4 she actually becomes one

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she's not wrong.

it's easy to stand in someplace and shout out "we need this or that" with all the scientific backing in hand but she probably wouldn't survive a face to face with the leader of a country without pissing off most of said country's people.

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I'm one of those absurd-right Ayn Rand weirdos, and I respect Thunberg.

If the left is pissed off, I don't know what's even going on anymore.

Questionmarktarius posted...

I'm one of those absurd-right Ayn Rand weirdos, and I respect Thunberg.

If the left is pissed off, I don't know what's even going on anymore.

I use to teach an Ethics class and we would spend a few days on Rand and Rational Egoism. Although she's claimed by the right, she's more of her own thing--this whole left-right stuff is bullshit anyway. We need to pay more attention to people grouped vertically on the social ladder, not horizontally...

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indica posted...

We need to pay more attention to people grouped vertically on the social ladder, not horizontally...

Rand loons went diagonal.

she could criticize me

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I mean it isn't like Greta can run for office...she is 18. All that age group really can do is be activists.

Greta Thunberg knows what she wants to happen and how to do it, and I have to respect her over the terrible politicians who echo meaningless platitudes and never actually do a goddamn thing.

I don't really agree with what she wants, but still fucking respect as hell for the youthful passion. I've been beaten to dust by age.

AP3Brain posted...

I mean it isn't like Greta can run for office...she is 18. All that age group really can do is be activists.

If she decided to run for office and got elected, she wouldnt be the first member of Riksdagen who is 18.

Edit:

In the current Riksdag (2018-2022) 7% are 18-29, 56% is 30-49, 35% is 50-64 and 2% is 65+.



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Riksdagen still has no influence on the three or four nations that are ruining everything.

China
United States
Russia
(I forgot who the fourth one is - India?)

Questionmarktarius posted...

Riksdagen still has no influence on the three or four nations that are ruining everything.

China
United States
Russia
(I forgot who the fourth one is - India?)

This is true.

Young folk in countries with free elections could push for influence though. Lisa Nbo is not just talking about Greta when she says young folk should join politics.

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The first step, is not letting seven nations steamroll the UN.
Four of them are irrelevant now anyway.

BalanceLost posted...

If she decided to run for office and got elected, she wouldnt be the first member of Riksdagen who is 18.

Edit:

In the current Riksdag (2018-2022) 7% are 18-29, 56% is 30-49, 35% is 50-64 and 2% is 65+.

how many people among that 7% are straight up 18 or 19? being in your mid to late 20s is very different.

in any case I think demanding accountability is a huge first step, which is what thurnberg has done. We know the gist of what must be done, stop granting companies such freedom to pollute, and start to saddle them with more of the duties to fix the consequences of their operations. regulation and fines would be a good start. we already know this. we just need to up and do it already, the problem is that our politicians don't care about it or don't have the boldness to demand it. in america. idk about in your country.

but i do agree that young people should join politics. one of the reasons my country's politics are so messed up is because it has too many old men running it. if we had more young politicians then we'd definitely not be so mired in things like "ooohhhhh end abortions" instead of real problems

Wetterdew posted...

my country's

you need to be more specific than that.

Generally, this is all of them.

Wetterdew posted...

young people should join politics

nah, they should work jobs until they're 40-somethings and then go into politics

the only place kids fresh out of school will run a country into is the ground

United States has hard age minimums, I don't know about anywhere else.

House: 25
Senate: 30
President: 35

*little girl why not both meme*

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Greta goes by sail to complain about useless politicians.
Automatic respect.

She's completely right

Activistism feels empowering but if the voter turnouts remain so low, then the boomers will always win.

People talk about Republicans as if half the country supports them (including myself sometimes, i admit) when in reality half the population isn't voting.

It makes me a little sad when I hear stories about places getting 62% or 71% turnouts and going "Look at the huge record high turn out!" because they're usually like 44%.

Australians laugh at us.

If you just have activists complaining then the people in power will always be elected by assholes. You need to vote and get involved in politics.

I mean look at Belfast South in 2015. Dude who won the election only got 24% of the vote. And only 60% of the population voted.

No matter what your politics, that's pathetic.

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totalnerdken posted...

I'm not Greta's biggest fan but I'm pretty sure she didn't have the knowledge to come up with a plan and she fully acknowledged that. So she said to let the experts come up with one. I find this a lot better then just coming up with a plan without knowledge, just because "it's not enough to complain".

I don't think she's saying Greta literally needs to come up with a plan personally. She's saying that you need political backing and government support to implement a plan.

Enviromentalists have been screaming for over a century now and businsessmen/governments have completely ignored them.

Activists joining in the screaming is catharthic but without businsessmen and government on your side, it won't change a thing.

Ever heard the story of the scorpion and the frog?

Doesn't matter how right the frog is

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United States was intentionally engineered for politicians being useless, way back in 1788.
That was brilliant.

Questionmarktarius posted...

United States was intentionally engineered for politicians being useless, way back in 1788.
That was brilliant.

Shit people say to excuse not voting

It's not true at all.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Shit people say to excuse not voting

It's not true at all.

The US was built to regime change every four years, yet still remain mostly stable.

Questionmarktarius posted...

The US was built to regime change every four years, yet still remain mostly stable.

That doesn't mean politicians are useless

How can you look at Trump for the past 4 years and still say that crap?

The opposition to equal rights, wars , taxes , education, police etc

Going "Well the system won't change therefore nothing within the system matters " is boldly going beyond stupidity where no man has gone before

You're really going to pretend that if every single political position in the US was filled by someone with the mind set of MTG, nothing would change?

Its just excusing not doing any critical thinking

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Its just excusing not doing any critical thinking

United States will always be a mess of a nation created for liberty, where people were property until 1865.

Questionmarktarius posted...

United States will always be a mess of a nation created for liberty, where people were property until 1865.

Yeah until politicians changed that

But yeah you're just refusing to think about it

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UnfairRepresent posted...

But yeah you're just refusing to think about it

what are you getting at?

Why is it on her, with no expertise or real knowledge in this field, to come up with ideas?
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Funkydog posted...

Why is it on her, with no expertise or real knowledge in this field, to come up with ideas?

because, "curmudgeon" begins at 25.

Wetterdew posted...

how many people among that 7% are straight up 18 or 19? being in your mid to late 20s is very different.

There being a huge difference between those ages is true.

Out of a total of 349 seats the following number were 25 or younger when elected in 2018.

19: two MPs
20: one MP
21: two MPs
22: two MPs
23: one MP
24: five MPs
25: five MPs
A total of 18 MPs

Of our 8 major parties it looks like this with the party leaders:

Conservatives: 57-year old man
Socialdemocrats: 54-year old woman
Liberals: 52-year old woman
Greens: 50-year old man & 45-year old woman
Nationalists: 42-year old man
Neoliberals: 38-year old woman
Far-Left: 36-year old woman
Christian Democrats: 34-year old woman

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What we need are politicians who will listen to those scientists and legislate accordingly. That is how change actually happen with the current system we got in this world.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't think she's saying Greta literally needs to come up with a plan personally. She's saying that you need political backing and government support to implement a plan.

Yeah, this is exactly what Lisa is saying.

And as youth wing leader Lisa is able to put pressure on leading politicians in the current Government. Something more young folk could do if they got involved in politics. Our major parties all got youth wings and they are not without power internally within the parties and the more members the youth wings have the more pressure they can put on the party leaders.


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How could she be a politician when she was literally underaged until now?

If young people want change then they need to enter politics

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

K see you in 2039 when average temp worldwide is 120F

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BalanceLost posted...

What we need are politicians who will listen to those scientists and legislate accordingly. That is how change actually happen with the current system we got in this world.

This is definitely true, but it will sadly take more than a few willing to listen to see change I feel given just how many are in the pockets of oil companies or just plain hate science.

Not that should stop, as got to start somewhere and the more it can be shown support does exist for these policies, the more politicians will stop selling their souls for the first oil company to throw 5 to them.

That said, not everyone is suited for politics and many activists would be utterly terrible politicians who very likely would do more harm than good. So probably better than most politicians, so go for it I guess!
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