Current Events > Bojo blames immigration for the fall of Rome, likens it to modern Europe

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Lorkh 11/02/21 4:31:09 PM #1:	https://twitter.com/profdanhicks/status/1454779291850493955 https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/01/boris-johnson-fall-rome-immigration/ Not only obscene white supremacist trash, but also blatantly historically inaccurate. --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959628342] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/profdanhicks/status/1454779291850493955 https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/11/01/boris-johnson-fall-rome-immigration/ Not only obscene white supremacist trash, but also blatantly historically inaccurate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
elysdeon 11/02/21 4:33:51 PM #2:	I mean there's definitely truth in that endless hordes of "barbarians" constantly invaded the Roman Empire for centuries and were at least in part responsible for it's downfall. However there is a gigantic difference between hostile armies invading and pillaging your land versus people peacefully immigrating for asylum, jobs, etc. Likening modern immigrants to roman era type barbarians definitely has racist undertones --- So you think I don't have a wife? I so do have one and she is HUGE, bigger than yours and way cooler. you just can't see her -Lynx the Dark <cite>elysdeon posted [p:959628423] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>I mean there's definitely truth in that endless hordes of "barbarians" constantly invaded the Roman Empire for centuries and were at least in part responsible for it's downfall. However there is a gigantic difference between hostile armies invading and pillaging your land versus people peacefully immigrating for asylum, jobs, etc. Likening modern immigrants to roman era type barbarians definitely has racist undertones </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 4:35:08 PM #3:	elysdeon posted... I mean there's definitely truth in that endless hordes of "barbarians" constantly invaded the Roman Empire for centuries and were at least in part responsible for it's downfall. However there is a gigantic difference between hostile armies invading and pillaging your land versus people peacefully immigrating for asylum, jobs, etc. Likening modern immigrants to roman era type barbarians definitely has racist undertones Literally who pulled out the 18 year old alt with 0 AMP to try to refute an article written by a qualified historian --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959628462] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>elysdeon posted... </cite> <quote>I mean there's definitely truth in that endless hordes of "barbarians" constantly invaded the Roman Empire for centuries and were at least in part responsible for it's downfall. However there is a gigantic difference between hostile armies invading and pillaging your land versus people peacefully immigrating for asylum, jobs, etc. Likening modern immigrants to roman era type barbarians definitely has racist undertones</quote>Literally who pulled out the 18 year old alt with 0 AMP to try to refute an article written by a qualified historian </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Criminalt 11/02/21 4:42:34 PM #5:	Bojo Haram. --- No tricks <cite>Criminalt posted [p:959628658] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>Bojo Haram. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 4:43:18 PM #6:	shockthemonkey posted... Its fucking insane how blatant the white nationalist rhetoric is. Yep. No effort even made to mask it up with dog whistling. --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959628678] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>shockthemonkey posted... </cite> <quote>Its fucking insane how blatant the white nationalist rhetoric is.</quote>Yep. No effort even made to mask it up with dog whistling. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMojoRising 11/02/21 4:43:21 PM #7:	elysdeon posted... racist undertones overtones, i'd say --- https://imgur.com/Wv6nCNs https://myanimelist.net/profile/nino712 <cite>MrMojoRising posted [p:959628681] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>elysdeon posted... </cite> <quote>racist undertones</quote> overtones, i'd say </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 11/02/21 4:45:20 PM #8:	Lorkh posted... Not only obscene white supremacist trash british trump and american trump have something in common about that. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:959628732] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>Lorkh posted...</cite> <quote>Not only obscene white supremacist trash</quote> british trump and american trump have something in common about that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 11/02/21 4:46:44 PM #9:	equating a lot of Immigrants to Marching Armies is a bit on the extreme side, but the part about losing control of the borders it's not completely wrong. i would definitely call that one of the eight hundred-and eleventy-six reasons why Rome fell. look at the Goths, they came into Rome as refugees seeking safety from the Huns... and then the gothic War happened, cause Rome did not have the local power to handle them another reason is that the rich did everything they could to stop paying taxes --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:959628768] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>equating a lot of Immigrants to Marching Armies is a bit on the extreme side, but the part about losing control of the borders it's not completely wrong. i would definitely call that one of the eight hundred-and eleventy-six reasons why Rome fell. look at the Goths, they came into Rome as refugees seeking safety from the Huns... and then the gothic War happened, cause Rome did not have the local power to handle them another reason is that the rich did everything they could to stop paying taxes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 4:48:00 PM #10:	ROBANN_88 posted... equating a lot of Immigrants to Marching Armies is a bit on the extreme side, but the part about losing control of the borders it's not completely wrong. i would definitely call that one of the eight hundred-and eleventy-six reasons why Rome fell. look at the Goths, they came into Rome as refugees seeking safety from the Huns... and then the gothic War happened, cause Rome did not have the local power to handle them another reason is that the rich did everything they could to stop paying taxes The fucking article I posted is written by a historian on the topic. Why random rightwingers with no expertise in history think their person opinions hold more weight is baffling to me --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959628816] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>ROBANN_88 posted... </cite> <quote>equating a lot of Immigrants to Marching Armies is a bit on the extreme side, but the part about losing control of the borders it's not completely wrong. i would definitely call that one of the eight hundred-and eleventy-six reasons why Rome fell. look at the Goths, they came into Rome as refugees seeking safety from the Huns... and then the gothic War happened, cause Rome did not have the local power to handle them another reason is that the rich did everything they could to stop paying taxes</quote>The fucking article I posted is written by a historian on the topic. Why random rightwingers with no expertise in history think their person opinions hold more weight is baffling to me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
elysdeon 11/02/21 4:50:02 PM #11:	Lorkh posted... Literally who pulled out the 18 year old alt with 0 AMP to try to refute an article written by a qualified historian lmao I've been on gamefaqs since I was a kid I just don't post much anymore. "Barbarians" in the Roman Empire is actually a very complicated and nuanced topic, and the fall of rome defies any one explanation. But to say that the endless incursions into rome by "barbarian" tribes were actually a net gain for rome seems like a big stretch to me. --- So you think I don't have a wife? I so do have one and she is HUGE, bigger than yours and way cooler. you just can't see her -Lynx the Dark <cite>elysdeon posted [p:959628872] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>Lorkh posted... </cite> <quote>Literally who pulled out the 18 year old alt with 0 AMP to try to refute an article written by a qualified historian</quote>lmao I've been on gamefaqs since I was a kid I just don't post much anymore. "Barbarians" in the Roman Empire is actually a very complicated and nuanced topic, and the fall of rome defies any one explanation. But to say that the endless incursions into rome by "barbarian" tribes were actually a net gain for rome seems like a big stretch to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 4:50:48 PM #12:	elysdeon posted... lmao I've been on gamefaqs since I was a kid I just don't post much anymore. "Barbarians" in the Roman Empire is actually a very complicated and nuanced topic, and the fall of rome defies any one explanation. But to say that the endless incursions into rome by "barbarian" tribes were actually a net gain for rome seems like a big stretch to me. I like that you addressed the part about being an alt but not the part about you trying to argue with historians based on your fee fees --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959628895] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>elysdeon posted... </cite> <quote>lmao I've been on gamefaqs since I was a kid I just don't post much anymore. "Barbarians" in the Roman Empire is actually a very complicated and nuanced topic, and the fall of rome defies any one explanation. But to say that the endless incursions into rome by "barbarian" tribes were actually a net gain for rome seems like a big stretch to me.</quote>I like that you addressed the part about being an alt but not the part about you trying to argue with historians based on your fee fees </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
elysdeon 11/02/21 4:50:54 PM #13:	And I'm definitely not a right-winger, just someone who cares about history --- So you think I don't have a wife? I so do have one and she is HUGE, bigger than yours and way cooler. you just can't see her -Lynx the Dark <cite>elysdeon posted [p:959628898] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>And I'm definitely not a right-winger, just someone who cares about history </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 4:52:19 PM #14:	elysdeon posted... And I'm definitely not a right-winger, just someone who cares about history Cool. Reading wikipedia doesnt give you more expertise than historians --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959628941] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>elysdeon posted... </cite> <quote>And I'm definitely not a right-winger, just someone who cares about history</quote>Cool. Reading wikipedia doesnt give you more expertise than historians </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FunkyCat 11/02/21 4:53:08 PM #15:	Honestly pretty tame for Boris. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>FunkyCat posted [p:959628964] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>Honestly pretty tame for Boris. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 11/02/21 4:53:48 PM #16:	It still boggles my mind that there exists a world leader who has a worse hairstyle than Trump --- Thanks to Proofpyros for the sig images https://imgur.com/Nv4Pi1v https://imgur.com/N43HJYv <cite>FL81 posted [p:959628988] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>It still boggles my mind that there exists a world leader who has a worse hairstyle than Trump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 11/02/21 4:58:19 PM #17:	What does the article say? It paywalls me. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:959629116] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>What does the article say? It paywalls me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Criminalt 11/02/21 4:58:50 PM #18:	FL81 posted... It still boggles my mind that there exists a world leader who has a worse hairstyle than Trump It boggles my mind that Johnson is still seen as, at worst, an essentially harmless and likeable buffoon with some comic eccentricities. --- No tricks <cite>Criminalt posted [p:959629132] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>FL81 posted... </cite> <quote>It still boggles my mind that there exists a world leader who has a worse hairstyle than Trump</quote>It boggles my mind that Johnson is still seen as, at worst, an essentially harmless and likeable buffoon with some comic eccentricities. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rayman2943 11/02/21 5:00:18 PM #19:	All i am saying is the UK definitely needs more immigrants. Widen the gene pool <cite>Rayman2943 posted [p:959629177] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>All i am saying is the UK definitely needs more immigrants. Widen the gene pool </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
elysdeon 11/02/21 5:00:41 PM #20:	I feel like you're missing the point a bit here. The many wars they had against tribes like the Goths or the Huns definitely did not help the Romans. However it's not like that was the only factor in rome falling there were a thousand other reasons as well. It's actually very impressive that Rome managed to last as long as it did with endless civil war, foreign invasion, disease, economic disaster, etc etc --- So you think I don't have a wife? I so do have one and she is HUGE, bigger than yours and way cooler. you just can't see her -Lynx the Dark <cite>elysdeon posted [p:959629189] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>I feel like you're missing the point a bit here. The many wars they had against tribes like the Goths or the Huns definitely did not help the Romans. However it's not like that was the only factor in rome falling there were a thousand other reasons as well. It's actually very impressive that Rome managed to last as long as it did with endless civil war, foreign invasion, disease, economic disaster, etc etc </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROBANN_88 11/02/21 5:01:20 PM #21:	Lorkh posted... The fucking article I posted is written by a historian on the topic. Why random rightwingers with no expertise in history think their person opinions hold more weight is baffling to me reading it now "Moreover, modern scholarship tends to see those incursions less as a cause and more of a symptom of the fading out of this particular form of Roman state in the West." huh, i never thought of it like that before. interesting. --- https://imgur.com/cUNC8DI <cite>ROBANN_88 posted [p:959629209] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>Lorkh posted... </cite> <quote>The fucking article I posted is written by a historian on the topic. Why random rightwingers with no expertise in history think their person opinions hold more weight is baffling to me</quote> reading it now "Moreover, modern scholarship tends to see those incursions less as a cause and more of a symptom of the fading out of this particular form of Roman state in the West." huh, i never thought of it like that before. interesting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rayman2943 11/02/21 5:01:26 PM #22:	The UK, Australia, Israel, Canada, and US needs to take in 2 m Afghanistan refugees each <cite>Rayman2943 posted [p:959629214] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>The UK, Australia, Israel, Canada, and US needs to take in 2 m Afghanistan refugees each </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 5:01:51 PM #23:	elysdeon posted... I feel like you're missing the point a bit here. The many wars they had against tribes like the Goths or the Huns definitely did not help the Romans. However it's not like that was the only factor in rome falling there were a thousand other reasons as well. It's actually very impressive that Rome managed to last as long as it did with endless civil war, foreign invasion, disease, economic disaster, etc etc Lorkh posted... Cool. Reading wikipedia doesnt give you more expertise than historians --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959629230] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>elysdeon posted... </cite> <quote>I feel like you're missing the point a bit here. The many wars they had against tribes like the Goths or the Huns definitely did not help the Romans. However it's not like that was the only factor in rome falling there were a thousand other reasons as well. It's actually very impressive that Rome managed to last as long as it did with endless civil war, foreign invasion, disease, economic disaster, etc etc</quote> Lorkh posted... </cite> <quote>Cool. Reading wikipedia doesnt give you more expertise than historians</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 5:02:18 PM #24:	ROBANN_88 posted... reading it now "Moreover, modern scholarship tends to see those incursions less as a cause and more of a symptom of the fading out of this particular form of Roman state in the West." huh, i never thought of it like that before. interesting. Well props for actually reading it at least --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959629248] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>ROBANN_88 posted... </cite> <quote>reading it now "Moreover, modern scholarship tends to see those incursions less as a cause and more of a symptom of the fading out of this particular form of Roman state in the West." huh, i never thought of it like that before. interesting.</quote>Well props for actually reading it at least </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
elysdeon 11/02/21 5:04:44 PM #25:	I really don't get what you're trying to argue. Do you think the mass devastation caused by say, Attila the hun, or Rome itself being sacked by Visigoths didn't hurt the Romans? --- So you think I don't have a wife? I so do have one and she is HUGE, bigger than yours and way cooler. you just can't see her -Lynx the Dark <cite>elysdeon posted [p:959629325] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>I really don't get what you're trying to argue. Do you think the mass devastation caused by say, Attila the hun, or Rome itself being sacked by Visigoths didn't hurt the Romans? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 5:07:20 PM #26:	elysdeon posted... I really don't get what you're trying to argue. Do you think the mass devastation caused by say, Attila the hun, or Rome itself being sacked by Visigoths didn't hurt the Romans? Im begging you to shut the fuck up and read the article written by the credentialed historian --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959629400] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>elysdeon posted... </cite> <quote>I really don't get what you're trying to argue. Do you think the mass devastation caused by say, Attila the hun, or Rome itself being sacked by Visigoths didn't hurt the Romans?</quote>Im begging you to shut the fuck up and read the article written by the credentialed historian </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 11/02/21 5:18:43 PM #27:	Lorkh posted... Im begging you to shut the fuck up and read the article written by the credentialed historian Article is paywalled. I cant read it and it is possible others cant either. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:959629665] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>Lorkh posted... </cite> <quote>Im begging you to shut the fuck up and read the article written by the credentialed historian</quote>Article is paywalled. I cant read it and it is possible others cant either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FunkyCat 11/02/21 5:31:39 PM #29:	DoomsSD posted... If a meteorite were hurtle down from space and land directly on him, I can't say I'd be very mournful about it. I would be mournful for the damage done to the meteorite --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>FunkyCat posted [p:959629998] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>DoomsSD posted... </cite> <quote>If a meteorite were hurtle down from space and land directly on him, I can't say I'd be very mournful about it.</quote>I would be mournful for the damage done to the meteorite </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spikethedevil 11/02/21 5:35:07 PM #30:	uwnim posted... Article is paywalled. I cant read it and it is possible others cant either. No its not. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! <cite>spikethedevil posted [p:959630097] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>uwnim posted... </cite> <quote>Article is paywalled. I cant read it and it is possible others cant either.</quote> No its not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Criminalt 11/02/21 5:38:07 PM #31:	It's not paywalled for me either. --- No tricks <cite>Criminalt posted [p:959630180] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>It's not paywalled for me either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 11/02/21 5:38:32 PM #32:	spikethedevil posted... No its not. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:959630188] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>spikethedevil posted... </cite> <quote> No its not.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 11/02/21 5:39:57 PM #33:	It makes sense if you have to view history through an incredibly coloured lens that reflects your own party politics, I guess. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:959630226] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>It makes sense if you have to view history through an incredibly coloured lens that reflects your own party politics, I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 11/02/21 5:43:45 PM #34:	he's such a clown. one step away from talking about caucasoid skulls --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:959630338] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>he's such a clown. one step away from talking about caucasoid skulls </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 11/02/21 5:44:23 PM #35:	Fucktons of endemic lead poisoning probably didn't help. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:959630353] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>Fucktons of endemic lead poisoning probably didn't help. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FunkyCat 11/02/21 5:47:20 PM #36:	ThyCorndog posted... he's such a clown. one step away from talking about caucasoid skulls What makes you think he hasn't already? --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>FunkyCat posted [p:959630437] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>ThyCorndog posted... </cite> <quote>he's such a clown. one step away from talking about caucasoid skulls</quote>What makes you think he hasn't already? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 11/02/21 5:48:14 PM #37:	If there's any country that's obligated to take in immigrants it's Britain. --- I want you to grab your nuts. Grab your balls. I want you to take a handful, and just grab your nuts real quick. Swivel 'em around in a circular motion. -LTG <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:959630468] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>If there's any country that's obligated to take in immigrants it's Britain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrettyBoyFloyd 11/02/21 6:10:21 PM #38:	To be fair Europeans wasn't very popular when they immigrated and took over North America. But I guess it's OK for some to do it and others can't. --- The Evil Republicans - Est.2004 - WoT [Government Destabilizing Branch] <cite>PrettyBoyFloyd posted [p:959631091] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>To be fair Europeans wasn't very popular when they immigrated and took over North America. But I guess it's OK for some to do it and others can't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorkh 11/02/21 6:16:10 PM #39:	PrettyBoyFloyd posted... To be fair Europeans wasn't very popular when they immigrated and took over North America. But I guess it's OK for some to do it and others can't. Ah so we're comparing refugees and immigrants to colonizers again --- The artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as the artist formerly known as RebelElite791. <cite>Lorkh posted [p:959631251] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>PrettyBoyFloyd posted... </cite> <quote>To be fair Europeans wasn't very popular when they immigrated and took over North America. But I guess it's OK for some to do it and others can't.</quote>Ah so we're comparing refugees and immigrants to colonizers again </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sktgamer_13dude 11/02/21 9:11:02 PM #40:	I like how the dark ages happened because of immigrants of the Roman Empire and nothing about an entity from Rome trying to stifle science, art, creativity, etc for ages. Some mega revisionist history there lmao --- https://imgur.com/jWVrg9U https://imgur.com/g2efUtT https://imgur.com/5dOwhaP https://imgur.com/LVdqu8J Go Cougs and M's RIP SMV 2/25/21 <cite>sktgamer_13dude posted [p:959636171] in Bojo blame... [t:79740422]...</cite> <quote>I like how the dark ages happened because of immigrants of the Roman Empire and nothing about an entity from Rome trying to stifle science, art, creativity, etc for ages. Some mega revisionist history there lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > Bojo blames immigration for the fall of Rome, likens it to modern Europe