Current Events > I wish black men were more desirable in the dating pool

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Lairen posted...

Hmm....maybe because admitting it is problematic to their reputation/social media/job?

what can I tell ya? a lot of people dont like people who discriminate based on race. America kinda has a shaky history when it comes to that.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

im not arguing with someone that thinks black Americans naturally have blonde straight hair

When did anyone say that?

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What about culture?

I strongly prefer my culture. My wife is Uruguayan but she was adopted and lived in the US her entire life so shes american cultured.

Is that racist?

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JimmyFraska posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

You would need a legitimate reason in order to not be racist. That's kind of the difference between discrimination based on race and discrimination based of substantive reasoning.

You wouldn't need a reason because that's not how the normal world works. If a black guy doesn't want to date non-black, he doesn't have to. That's all there is to it.

BeantownHero posted...

there's a difference between saying "I only date X" and "i refuse to date X" \

If a black guy wants to exclude white people, there's nothing wrong with that. Fully exclude.

Yeah no shit. If people want to be racist they are already allowed to be racist. That doesn't mean it stops being racist just because genitals are involved.
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Lairen posted...

What about culture?

I strongly prefer my culture. My wife is Uruguayan but she was adopted and lived in the US her entire life so shes american cultured.

Is that racist?

what is american culture, exactly?


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MrNintendo1213 posted...

Yeah no shit. If people want to be racist they are already allowed to be racist. That doesn't mean it stops being racist just because genitals are involved.

Yeah and the person I was responding to said they needed a reason. A black person doesn't need a reason to exclude a white person from their dating life.

JBaLLEN66 posted...

do black girls have natural straight blonde hair though? If thats what I want, why would I go for black girls?

I dont imagine you would, but again, having a preference to blonde hair, which I dont believe is exclusive to any ethnicity, isnt the same as excluding an entire group of people.

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JimmyFraska posted...

MrNintendo1213 posted...

Yeah no shit. If people want to be racist they are already allowed to be racist. That doesn't mean it stops being racist just because genitals are involved.

Yeah and the person I was responding to said they needed a reason. A black person doesn't need a reason to exclude a white person from their dating life.

Not needing a reason doesn't make them less of a shitty racist.
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BeantownHero posted...

what is american culture, exactly?

She speaks completely fluent english with no accent. She speaks spanish to her mother. But we play video games and watch movies. Boring american cultured stuff.

Theres spanish girls at work who are like "As a latina/mexican we (something stereotypical)"

My wifes not like that. Our cultures do not clash as theyre similar.

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JimmyFraska posted...

You wouldn't need a reason because that's not how the normal world works. If a black guy doesn't want to date non-black, he doesn't have to. That's all there is to it.

If a black guy wants to exclude white people, there's nothing wrong with that. Fully exclude.

"The normal world" is full of racism. The reason it's full of racism is because it's full of people discriminating against others based on race instead of substantive reasoning. You are just literally describing racism. If I applied your logic to any other facet of society, it would just sound like racism.

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively hire white people!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively talk to white people!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively insult black people on sight!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively vote for white people!"

You need a substantive reason. If "race" is your reason, you are racist. You are literally performing discrimination based on race. Your relationship preferences aren't some sacred thing where morality is thrown out the window.

Now, do you want the best argument you could actually make? It's the argument of culture. If you don't want to date a person because they're really into hip-hop and you don't like hip-hop, that's substantive. If you don't want to date a person because they're really into basketball and you hate sports, that's substantive. If you don't want to date someone because they're really into "hood" culture and you hate "hood" culture, that's substantive. Those aren't "black people" though. Especially in a place like America, any race can be deeply rooted into just about any culture you can imagine. If you aren't even willing to get to know someone, get to know their beliefs and hobbies, get to know their personality, before dismissing them for their skin color, you are still racist.

If we were to take this to it's absolute limit with very restrictive cultures like Orthodox Judaism, dating someone only if they are also an Orthodox Jew is still NOT racist, although it is perhaps unethical in other ways.

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BeantownHero posted...

I dont imagine you would, but again, having a preference to blonde hair, which I dont believe is exclusive to any ethnicity, isnt the same as excluding an entire group of people.

so why would I date a black women if her features are in exact opposite of what Im looking for in a long term partner? Its not racist if I choose to stay within my personal preferences.

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Lairen posted...

She speaks completely fluent english with no accent. She speaks spanish to her mother. But we play video games and watch movies. Boring american cultured stuff.

Theres spanish girls at work who are like "As a latina/mexican we (something stereotypical)"

My wifes not like that. Our cultures do not clash as theyre similar.

this isnt exactly American

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Im sure im not explaining culture correctly but me and my wife act similarly despite being different races. Similar interests/behaviour.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

so why would I date a black women if her features are in exact opposite of what Im looking for in a long term partner? Its not racist if I choose to stay within my personal preferences.

straight blonde hair is a deal breaker in terms of what you're looking for in a life partner?


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yemmy posted...

When I lived in Memphis there were a ton of girls on tinder that said "no white guys" lol but the same people on CE crying racism in this instance would make a million excuses as to why that isn't racist.

Still racist. Anybody race can be racist. Try again.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

BeantownHero posted...

I dont imagine you would, but again, having a preference to blonde hair, which I dont believe is exclusive to any ethnicity, isnt the same as excluding an entire group of people.

so why would I date a black women if her features are in exact opposite of what Im looking for in a long term partner? Its not racist if I choose to stay within my personal preferences.

Discriminating against black people in your dating pool is still racist even if it is your preference. Like, how does you having a preference mean it isn't racist?

Explain that in any way that makes sense. You can literally have a preference for any situation. You could prefer to not talk to black people. You could prefer to not work with asians.

You could prefer a lot of things, but if your preference is about discriminating against someone in any situation based on race it is explicitly racist. That's just the definition of racism. I'm not saying you should be forced to date someone you don't want to. But it is still racist.
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BeantownHero posted...

straight blonde hair is a deal breaker in terms of what you're looking for in a life partner?

if Im going to marry a woman and her be the woman I look at forever. Im going to make sure she meets my attraction criteria.

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@Rayman2943 where do you happen to live?

MrNintendo1213 posted...

Discriminating against black people in your dating pool is still racist even if it is your preference. Like, how does you having a preference mean it isn't racist?

Explain that in any way that makes sense. You can literally have a preference for any situation. You could prefer to not talk to black people. You could prefer to not work with asians.

You could prefer a lot of things, but if your preference is about discriminating against someone in any situation based on race it is explicitly racist. That's just the definition of racism. I'm not saying you should be forced to date someone you don't want to. But it is still racist.

so lets just call everyone a bigot if they choose McDonalds over Arbys then


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JBaLLEN66 posted...

MrNintendo1213 posted...

Discriminating against black people in your dating pool is still racist even if it is your preference. Like, how does you having a preference mean it isn't racist?

Explain that in any way that makes sense. You can literally have a preference for any situation. You could prefer to not talk to black people. You could prefer to not work with asians.

You could prefer a lot of things, but if your preference is about discriminating against someone in any situation based on race it is explicitly racist. That's just the definition of racism. I'm not saying you should be forced to date someone you don't want to. But it is still racist.

so lets just call everyone a bigot if they choose McDonalds over Arbys then

McDonald's isn't a race. Neither is Arby's. What part of that was supposed to make any sense?
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

so lets just call everyone a bigot if they choose McDonalds over Arbys then

I already do.

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yemmy posted...

When I lived in Memphis there were a ton of girls on tinder that said "no white guys" lol but the same people on CE crying racism in this instance would make a million excuses as to why that isn't racist.

Whether that's true or not, that doesn't affect the racial discrimination TC is experiencing. If you want to make a topic about the discrimination white men face in the dating market, go ahead, but don't try to "what about white history month" in this topic

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

"The normal world" is full of racism. The reason it's full of racism is because it's full of people discriminating against others based on race instead of substantive reasoning. You are just literally describing racism. If I applied your logic to any other facet of society, it would just sound like racism.

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively hire white people!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively talk to white people!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively insult black people on sight!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively vote for white people!"

You need a substantive reason. If "race" is your reason, you are racist. You are literally performing discrimination based on race. Your relationship preferences aren't some sacred thing where morality is thrown out the window.

Now, do you want the best argument you could actually make? It's the argument of culture. If you don't want to date a person because they're really into hip-hop and you don't like hip-hop, that's substantive. If you don't want to date a person because they're really into basketball and you hate sports, that's substantive. If you don't want to date someone because they're really into "hood" culture and you hate "hood" culture, that's substantive. Those aren't "black people" though. Especially in a place like America, any race can be deeply rooted into just about any culture you can imagine. If you aren't even willing to get to know someone, get to know their beliefs and hobbies, get to know their personality, before dismissing them for their skin color, you are still racist.

If we were to take this to it's absolute limit with very restrictive cultures like Orthodox Judaism, dating someone only if they are also an Orthodox Jew is still NOT racist, although it is perhaps unethical in other ways.

If a black person is racist against personally dating white people, I don't consider that racist. That's puling that whole reverse racism card, which is silly when white people try to do

JimmyFraska posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

"The normal world" is full of racism. The reason it's full of racism is because it's full of people discriminating against others based on race instead of substantive reasoning. You are just literally describing racism. If I applied your logic to any other facet of society, it would just sound like racism.

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively hire white people!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively talk to white people!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively insult black people on sight!"

"In the normal world, you don't need a reason to exclusively vote for white people!"

You need a substantive reason. If "race" is your reason, you are racist. You are literally performing discrimination based on race. Your relationship preferences aren't some sacred thing where morality is thrown out the window.

Now, do you want the best argument you could actually make? It's the argument of culture. If you don't want to date a person because they're really into hip-hop and you don't like hip-hop, that's substantive. If you don't want to date a person because they're really into basketball and you hate sports, that's substantive. If you don't want to date someone because they're really into "hood" culture and you hate "hood" culture, that's substantive. Those aren't "black people" though. Especially in a place like America, any race can be deeply rooted into just about any culture you can imagine. If you aren't even willing to get to know someone, get to know their beliefs and hobbies, get to know their personality, before dismissing them for their skin color, you are still racist.

If we were to take this to it's absolute limit with very restrictive cultures like Orthodox Judaism, dating someone only if they are also an Orthodox Jew is still NOT racist, although it is perhaps unethical in other ways.

If a black person is racist against personally dating white people, I don't consider that racist. That's puling that whole reverse racism card, which is silly when white people try to do

It's not reverse racism, it's still just normal racism.
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MrNintendo1213 posted...

It's not reverse racism, it's still just normal racism.

We'll just have to disagree. I don't believe you can be racist against white people in America.

JimmyFraska posted...

MrNintendo1213 posted...

It's not reverse racism, it's still just normal racism.

We'll just have to disagree. I don't believe you can be racist against white people in America.

That's not a disagreement you're just wrong. The definition of racism doesn't care where you live.
Its discriminating against someone based on race. Not discriminating against someone based on race except white people in America.

I would say it's true that white people don't have to deal with racism against them as often in America, that doesn't mean it is impossible.
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Deuceswild posted...

ITT: people thinking they're going to shame people based on dating preferences.

This is the same thing as when guys are shamed for not wanting to date women over 300 pounds. If you want to call me a 'phobe' for not wanting to date a 400 pound woman then so be it, it's not going to make me want to date them.

Take that black lives matter out of your sig if you're gonna come in here and defend categorically excluding black people from the dating pool.

Race is a completely different thing from size in that it's immutable and no one is trying to make you date anyone, we're simply identifying the reason why you won't because you're providing it yourself when you say "no X"


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MrNintendo1213 posted...

That's not a disagreement you're just wrong. The definition of racism doesn't care where you live.
Its discriminating against someone based on race. Not discriminating against someone based on race except white people in America.

I would say it's true that white people don't have to deal with racism against them as often in America, that doesn't mean it is impossible.

That guy is a right wing troll, trying to strawman arguments he disagrees with already.

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JimmyFraska posted...

We'll just have to disagree. I don't believe you can be racist against white people in America.

As a Black man, this is completely false. It doesn't matter what direction it's going in; racism is racism.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

As a Black man, this is completely false. It doesn't matter what direction it's going in; racism is racism.

boohoo not everyone is going to like you, thats life. Im sure even Mother Teresa had haters!

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Solar_Crimson posted...

As a Black man, this is completely false. It doesn't matter what direction it's going in; racism is racism.

As a white man in America, it's impossible for you to be racist to me. You could say something that would be considered racist, and to any other race it would be, but to me it's fair game.

I don't want the playing field leveled in my favor, you don't need to level it for me. My ancestors gave me a head start by fucking your ancestors over. You couldn't be racist against me if you were trying

JBaLLEN66 posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

As a Black man, this is completely false. It doesn't matter what direction it's going in; racism is racism.

boohoo not everyone is going to like you, thats life. Im sure even Mother Teresa had haters!

How high are you right now?

And also Mother Teresa was a terrible piece of shit who denied medicine to sick people because god would heal them. And then when she was dying she took the medicine she denied others.
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JimmyFraska posted...

As a white man in America, it's impossible for you to be racist to me. You could say something that would be considered racist, and to any other race it would be, but to me it's fair game.

I don't want the playing field leveled in my favor, you don't need to level it for me. My ancestors gave me a head start by fucking your ancestors over. You couldn't be racist against me if you were trying

The real issue here is established equity from racism. Theres plenty of white people with little to no work ethic but they are still held at a higher level due to their grandparents or aunt saving them.

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MrNintendo1213 posted...

How high are you right now?

And also Mother Teresa was a terrible piece of shit who denied medicine to sick people because god would heal them. And then when she was dying she took the medicine she denied others.

lmao thank you for proving my case


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KnightofShikari posted...

asian males are also undesired as well

Only if youre the ugly neet type of Asian dude

if youre a chad like me then youll have no problems

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legendary_zell posted...

Whether that's true or not, that doesn't affect the racial discrimination TC is experiencing. If you want to make a topic about the discrimination white men face in the dating market, go ahead, but don't try to "what about white history month" in this topic

Lol, my point was that I DIDN'T make a topic about it lol, because I'm pretty aware that bitching about it on the internet doesn't absolutely nothing. I just moved on like anyone should. You can't force girls who don't like white dudes to like them or vice versa.

All this did was start a bullshit argument on CE. You can't legislate dating preferences, or make new tinder rules to change the fact that some people want to date or not date based on skin color. I was merely pointing out that it does in fact go both ways depending on where you are, and it isn't worth making a fuss about it because there is literally nothing you can do about it.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

MrNintendo1213 posted...

How high are you right now?

And also Mother Teresa was a terrible piece of shit who denied medicine to sick people because god would heal them. And then when she was dying she took the medicine she denied others.

lmao thank you for proving my case

Again. How high are you? You didn't have a case. A black guy said white people can experience racism and you told him not everyone would like him. That has nothing to do with what he said. You're just saying random bullshit that does nothing to address what other people say.
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Also, Black people don't have it nearly as bad in dating as Asian men or black women do.

hmm

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Black men dont need dating apps so they rarely use them

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

do black girls have natural straight blonde hair though? If thats what I want, why would I go for black girls?

If that's what you want, then why single out Black girls for it? Asian girls, Hispanic girls, and even some white girls also aren't born with natural blonde hair.

That's why it sounds bad.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

didnt know every white guy loved asian woman?

Didn't know I said "every...". Oh, that's because I didn't. However, many on the anime, PS4/5 boards, and hell, just walk thorough Queens, Manhattan or downtown Brooklyn to see 50%+ of the couples you see will be wm/af.

But I'm sure you were just being disingenuous, so the joke is on me.

I do okay, don't think online dating statistics tell the entire story when it comes to desirability.

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JimmyFraska posted...

As a white man in America, it's impossible for you to be racist to me. You could say something that would be considered racist, and to any other race it would be, but to me it's fair game.

I don't want the playing field leveled in my favor, you don't need to level it for me. My ancestors gave me a head start by fucking your ancestors over. You couldn't be racist against me if you were trying

Damn what a sad opinion to have.
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any man can land any chick if they work on it, but if you're online its a lot more competition than in real life to get noticed, so work harder in being interesting and shit instead of complaining.

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