Current Events > Does anyone on here legit think climate change is not real?

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I assume its just the crazies now who continue to deny it?

there are a few number of republicans here, yes

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The only thing I disagree on is that it's viewed so one dimensional in popular media

"All of the snow will melt!! Skiing will be a thing of the past!!" . There are even popular skiing-climate change orgs called "Protect Our Winters" as if winter will disappear

No... Some areas will get snowier. Some areas will get less snow. Some areas will get colder. Warming of the ocean currents will redirect cold air masses

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we got a fucken climatologist here.

I hope it isn't.

If it is, we're gonna die. If we try to get rid of fossil fuels, we'll have a war on our hands. Every form of clean energy is patented by fossil fuel companies so that they can keep us dependent upon their stock. If we disregard those patents, it will be taken as an act of western imperialism. That means going to war with our suppliers in the Middle East. If we lose, we die. If we win, we still have to police China and prevent them from tearing up the ozone layer. So we probably still die.

FortuneCookie posted...

If we try to get rid of fossil fuels, we'll have a war on our hands.

No, Western society would collapse first if we ever legitimately tried to ban Fossil Fuels. Too much of our lives and economies are tied too it.
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This past summer in California is enough to erase all doubt, not that I had any. It was brutal and the thought of it getting hotter is yikes. I remember I used to wear sweaters in the summer, can't imagine doing that now.

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It's a proven fact. What exactly is causing it is questionable imo. Earth has been warming up since the end of the ice age.

Cleaning up the environment definitely won't hurt.

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It's definitely real, but the problem is that the actual solutions we need aren't as profitable for large companies, compared to the so called "fake" solutions like paper straws, sustainable fishing, electric cars, etc.

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OVERGOATED posted...

Climate change denial is one of the things they SHOULD be suspending people for.

Remember when Trump laughed off global warming when confronted with it?

That man is such a piece of shit.

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it's real, but not an extinction level event and not driven by human behavior. its used by politicians to help funnel money into their own companies

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Njolk posted...

The only thing I disagree on is that it's viewed so one dimensional in popular media

This i hate the fundamentalism that surrounds it

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hsvhighlife posted...

it's real, but not an extinction level event

It's not even an end-of-society level threat. Humanity will adapt to it like we've done for millions of years.
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Duncanwii posted...

It's not even an end-of-society level threat. Humanity will adapt to it like we've done for millions of years.

If the ice caps melt my state will be under water. The part where I live anyway.



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Duncanwii posted...

No, Western society would collapse first if we ever legitimately tried to ban Fossil Fuels. Too much of our lives and economies are tied too it.

what if we...changed our economies in order to facilitate not destroying the planet and having society collapse down the road?

I won't believe it's real until we see it's birth certificate.

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LeoRavus posted...

Remember when Trump laughed off global warming when confronted with it?

That man is such a piece of shit.

you sounded every bit as stupid as Trump with your first post in this thread, fyi

Fam_Fam posted...

what if we...changed our economies in order to facilitate not destroying the planet and having society collapse down the road?

It would require changing society in ways most Americans wouldnt be up to doing. Youd cause massive unrest and infighting over it, maybe even a war.
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hsvhighlife posted...

not driven by human behavior

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Omnislasher posted...

you sounded every bit as stupid as Trump with your first post in this thread, fyi

I didn't laugh it off or deny it. I'm just not sure if it's 100% man made. I'm all for cleaning up the environment and see how that helps. That needs to be done regardless.

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Speaking of what exactly is causing it, it's definitely radiative forcing from all the carbon people have been pumping into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution. The jump isn't just a natural 'coming out of an ice age' type of thing.


Animals are also currently going extinct at hundreds of times the natural rate, could possibly end up being a mass extinction level event if nothing's done about it.

Climate change is just a conspiracy invented by windmill companies to sell more wind.

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LeoRavus posted...

I didn't laugh it off or deny it. I'm just not sure if it's 100% man made. I'm all for cleaning up the environment and see how that helps. That needs to be done regardless.

you're doing it again

hsvhighlife posted...

it's real, but not an extinction level event and not driven by human behavior. its used by politicians to help funnel money into their own companies

some people are too stupid to insult.

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The narritive has shifted. Many on the right are accepting that it's real but believe there is nothing we can do. They believe that since the damage is done we should just adapt as things get worse.

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hsvhighlife posted...

it's real, but not an extinction level event and not driven by human behavior. its used by politicians to help funnel money into their own companies

I agree that it isn't an extinction level event (for humanity anyway) but it is driven by human behavior.

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LeoRavus posted...

It's a proven fact. What exactly is causing it is questionable imo. Earth has been warming up since the end of the ice age.

Cleaning up the environment definitely won't hurt.

You just said it. People act like part of doomsday cult when warming is natural.

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Woodger posted...

Speaking of what exactly is causing it, it's definitely radiative forcing from all the carbon people have been pumping into the atmosphere since the industrial revolution. The jump isn't just a natural 'coming out of an ice age' type of thing.


Animals are also currently going extinct at hundreds of times the natural rate, could possibly end up being a mass extinction level event if nothing's done about it.

Just because CO2 levels are rising doesn't make the radiative effect particularly more effective.

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Duncanwii posted...

No, Western society would collapse first if we ever legitimately tried to ban Fossil Fuels. Too much of our lives and economies are tied too it.

Duncan don't

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Its too late to reverse the course anyway, just let things run how they do and pray someone invents something that can alter the climate

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TerraSeeker posted...

Just because CO2 levels are rising doesn't make the radiative effect particularly more effective.

CO2 absorbs a lot of infrared radiation emitted from the Earth, basically slowing the rate that Earth radiates heat into space, but without slowing the rate that Earth receives heat from the sun (more UV than infrared) - that's why it causes heating.

CO2 and average temperature have always been drivers for each other, but the problem this time is how sharply its happening, doing like 30000 years worth of increase in only 200.

Oh it's real alright, but we're already fucked so no amount of paper straws will save us now

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hsvhighlife posted...

it's real, but not an extinction level event and not driven by human behavior. its used by politicians to help funnel money into their own companies

Maybe not a HUMAN extinction level event, but climate change is causing the extinction of many other animals and organisms. Ones humans rely on for survival.

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Its the mass migrations that are really going to be the main issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_extinction

Some of you got your head in the sand never hearing about the Holocene extinction. It's the second fastest mass extinction after the asteroid event.

Feline posted...

Its the mass migrations that are really going to be the main issue.

technically the issue there is the cause of the mass migrations: mass starvation as the +3-6C global temperature increases we experience trigger food and water shortages in equatorial regions

nations like the USA that are in higher latitudes are less impacted and can continue to ignore it as it happens, but in central america, it's happening now

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Sackgurl posted...

technically the issue there is the cause of the mass migrations: mass starvation as the +3-6C global temperature increases we experience trigger food and water shortages in equatorial regions

nations like the USA that are in higher latitudes are less impacted and can continue to ignore it as it happens, but in central america, it's happening now

yup exactly one of the reasons for the big caravan during trump time was down to climate change.

Mr Hangman posted...

I don't think anyone really thinks it's not real. That's a straw man set up so that vocal climate change activists don't have to answer actually hard questions like: How much warmer will it get? How long will it take? What are the climate consequences of that? What are actually effective responses to it? Is government action really the best way to deal with it? What can we do without government? What are the costs of these responses and is it a good tradeoff? Is this emissions source worth focusing on vs. this other one? Etc.

Counter to that problem is that no one that can actually do something about it are asking them those questions, because those answers are already there, based of current research trends.

Instead, they're still arguing IF anything is worth doing.


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nearly all of hangman's questions have been answered in scientific literature, the issue is conservatives refuse to listen and then ask these questions pretending no one has answered them

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globally, 3-4C above pre-industrial levels (which were static for more than ten thousand years) this century.

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about 0.5C per 20 years is the current rate, so 1.5C by 2040, 3C by 2100 if we do not accelerate beyond our current rate (we are accelerating beyond our current rate, so projections span a fairly wide range).

https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/1834/

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here's a tool that quantifies it in real terms.

https://interactive.carbonbrief.org/impacts-climate-change-one-point-five-degrees-two-degrees/?utm_source=web&utm_campaign=Redirect

summarizing-

3+C= drout becomes the norm

5.2 C=extinction event
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-25019-2

Our findings predict that a temperature increase of 5.2 C above the pre-industrial level at present rates of increase would likely result in mass extinction comparable to that of the major Phanerozoic events, even without other, non-climatic anthropogenic impacts.

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https://www.unep.org/resources/emissions-gap-report-2019

g20 countries leaning in to renewable energy for goods transport, power production, and building, basically.

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the tradeoff is against the costs of no response, which is estimated at ~2.8% annual gdp loss per year per degree celcius rise

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generally speaking things that are not profitable now but will be beneficial later are almost always government driven

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The climate changes back and forth every few million years, there is no known way to stop nature

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My old coworker is a flat earth, climate change denier. Odd because when I worked with him, he was a pretty normal guy. And hes all in on the flat earth stuff too.

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Mr Hangman posted...

I'm not saying those questions can't or haven't been answered, just that the public discourse hardly ever rises to the level of these basic questions.

mostly because they're not basic questions and you weren't expecting your sealioning bullshit to get hard answers from someone who knows the science

the point of public discourse right now is to draw attention to the gap between 'what scientific evidence says we need to be doing to avoid the consequences that scientific evidence has predicted' and 'what we are doing'

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but i've already posted the details and you're not talking about them at all

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