Current Events > Clown in Texas argues with Pharmacist who refuses to fill Ivermectin for COVID.

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-GalacticBass- posted...

Wait so how are you getting to the conclusion that ivermectin didn't help Joe Rogan? He took Ivermectin early on, wasn't hospitalized, recovered rather quickly, etc. The logical conclusion would be that Ivermectin helped.

So is the horse paste the only thing he took? Or did he take the rich guy option and use the expensive stuff that has actual proof of a positive effect?

I mean, I'm not an idiot and got the shot myself, but I also drank Mountain Dew that day. So I could say that Mountain Dew is effective in me not getting covid.

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OrangeWizard posted...

But they don't have your full medical history, do they? I've never been asked about my symptoms, history, pain level, etc. by a pharmacist. So how would they know what is or isn't appropriate for me?

Is there some communication between the doctor and the pharmacist that goes on while you wait for it to be filled?

Honest questions, I don't know.

No, not every pharmacy has access to a patients chart/history. Ours does, but thats not the norm. If a prescription seems off or odd, a pharmacist definitely will be contacting the doctor for clarification.

OrangeWizard posted...

But they don't have your full medical history, do they? I've never been asked about my symptoms, history, pain level, etc. by a pharmacist. So how would they know what is or isn't appropriate for me?

Is there some communication between the doctor and the pharmacist that goes on while you wait for it to be filled?

Honest questions, I don't know.

This is a good point. Just give the dumbass his dewormer so he can go.

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BroodRyu posted...

No, not every pharmacy has access to a patients chart/history. Ours does, but thats not the norm. If a prescription seems off or odd, a pharmacist definitely will be contacting the doctor for clarification.

Neat.

If pharmacists know better than doctors, then why do I go to the doctor's office instead of the pharmacy when I get sick? Why don't I just skip the middle-man?
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-GalacticBass- posted...

This is actually a case of a lack of common decency. A Doctor saw or talked with a patient and prescribed him medication and the pharmacist refuses to fill that order because why? Like what is the huge deal here?

The deal is the doctor is wrong straight up. Same reason why you don't prescribe general anesthesia ass off label sleep aids. If a doctor did it, the pharmacist's job at that point becomes to tell the doctor to fuck off.

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OrangeWizard posted...

Neat.

If pharmacists know better than doctors, then why do I go to the doctor's office instead of the pharmacy when I get sick? Why don't I just skip the middle-man?

You're free to go ask pharmacists for shit any time you want and they'll be more than happy to recommend whatever OTC they have on hand.


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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Thats kind of fucked up. You think you know more than a doctor, despite knowing absolutely nothing about the patient?

Shut the fuck up

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Tyranthraxus posted...

You're free to go ask pharmacists for shit any time you want and they'll be more than happy to recommend whatever OTC they have on hand.

But they can't give me the good stuff without a doctor's signature that they have the authority to deny anyway?

So why can't they give me the good stuff? That's my question. They know better than doctors, apparently, right? So what's the issue?
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OrangeWizard posted...

Neat.

If pharmacists know better than doctors, then why do I go to the doctor's office instead of the pharmacy when I get sick? Why don't I just skip the middle-man?

Where did I say the pharmacist knows more than the doctor? I said the pharmacist is the drug information expert. Thats only one piece of the broad picture of healthcare.

Video is removed lmao

I guess the guy didnt like the idea of the whole world seeing how he behaved there

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OrangeWizard posted...

But they can't give me the good stuff without a doctor's signature that they have the authority to deny anyway?

So why can't they give me the good stuff? That's my question. They know better than doctors, apparently, right? So what's the issue?

The "good stuff" is either

1. A straight up controlled substance so you legally need a documented licensed certified MD to say you need it because that's the law
2. Is prone to cause serious side effects
3. Has a chance of reacting negatively with other medications
4. Has strict instructions that need to be followed or else it won't work or be deadly

As for why a prescription might be rejected

1. The pharmacist suspects the drugs are being abused
2. The drug / dosage is not appropriate for the patient because of age / weight / something else
3. The prescription appears to be a mistake

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BroodRyu posted...

Where did I say the pharmacist knows more than the doctor? I said the pharmacist is the drug information expert. Thats only one piece of the broad picture of healthcare.

Okay, then let me rephrase.

If Pharmacists can refuse an order from a doctor, then they must have more authority than doctors, or at the very least they share authority, like a 2FA system.

So why do I have to get a prescription from a doctor, instead of a pharmacist?

Tyranthraxus posted...

The "good stuff" is either

1. A straight up controlled substance so you legally need a documented licensed certified MD to say you need it because that's the law

This seems like the reason that makes the most sense. "It's the law", so that's just how it is.
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There's a lot of pharmacists who won't fill birth control or HIV meds due to "religion." It's legal.

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OrangeWizard posted...

Okay, then let me rephrase.

If Pharmacists can refuse an order from a doctor, then they must have more authority than doctors., or at the very least they share authority, like a 2FA system.

So why do I have to get a prescription from a doctor, instead of a pharmacist?

This seems like the reason that makes the most sense. "It's the law", so that's just how it is.

Think of it like proof reading. The doctor does the bulk of the work, the pharmacist double checks for errors.

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loafy013 posted...

Think of it like proof reading. The doctor does the bulk of the work, the pharmacist double checks for errors.

This also makes sense, though it doesn't jive with the whole "personal belief" bit, but thanks.

It all seems like a messy, complicated, system that could stand to be improved somewhat. (Yet I participate in such a system. Curious)
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-GalacticBass- posted...

Wait so how are you getting to the conclusion that ivermectin didn't help Joe Rogan? He took Ivermectin early on, wasn't hospitalized, recovered rather quickly, etc. The logical conclusion would be that Ivermectin helped.

Did you want scientists to surround Joe Rogan the whole time he was sick to test if Ivermectin was working or not?

Sprite and Tomato soup aren't medicine. What a terrible analogy lol.

Just give the man his prescribed medicine and move on. It's not that hard. Even in the Pharmacist's position, say if he doesn't believe Ivermectin works, he already knows the patient is not going to get vaccinated. So for the patient's health, what would be better? Not taking anything at all? Or trying out a medicine that has been noted to work?

If it helps him then great. If not, he wasn't going to take the vaccine anyway so God be with him. I don't care how much they disagree, the patient is still a human being and should be given the chance to take something that may actually help him.

When have we been so quick to forget the people we disagree with are our fellow human beings? We should be quick to have mercy not quick to anger and resentment. That goes for both sides.

Rogan was treated with monoclonal antibodies, the ivermectin wasn't relevant to his recovery because it's a dewormer. It's likely that he could have recovered naturally too.

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OrangeWizard posted...

Neat.

If pharmacists know better than doctors, then why do I go to the doctor's office instead of the pharmacy when I get sick? Why don't I just skip the middle-man?

This dude is not being genuine in his comments despite how much he coaches his language as 'just asking questions'. He's intentionally posted Project Veritas videos as evidence of something happening.

If pharmacists know better than doctors, then why do I go to the doctor's office instead of the pharmacy when I get sick? Why don't I just skip the middle-man?

Lol cute.

The other day at work, an emergency medicine physician calls me because he wants to start Kcentra (a 4-factor PCC meant to stop the activity of warfarin in a patient with a life-threatening bleed). I tell him the correct dose, how to order it, and the need to order another medication to administer concurrently to sustain the effects of Kcentra. 30 seconds later, I see the medications I told him to order in my queue to verify in the exact specifications I outlined. When it comes to medications, yes, pharmacists do generally know more than physicians.

That's what we do, bro.

PS - Happy Pharmacy Week to all my comrades out there!

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OrangeWizard posted...

Interesting, so pharmacists can refuse to give out medicines, going against the doctor's advice, based on a combination of their own personal feelings and their own independent research. I never knew that!

I am genuinely sad to see you going through this. It's not right.

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-GalacticBass- posted...

He took Ivermectin early on, wasn't hospitalized, recovered rather quickly, etc. The logical conclusion would be that Ivermectin helped.

This is an incredibly simple minded way of understanding causality. Holy crap.

Stop shilling for an unproven drug, people are dying because of this.

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Crono99 posted...

The world has gone fucking insane

It's as if fringe conspiracy theories have become mainstream and normal

70 million Trumpers


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isnt this the reason why people are buying the fucked up horse versions which probably are a different dose to humans.

ive taken ivermectin in the past, not for covid as ive never had covid. but its just like any other tablet or medicine you have taken before, I didnt feel anything weird or have any side effects besides it clearing up the itch i had. i dont know why the media and everyone keeps making it out like its this big bad medicine only for animals that will fuck you up. yes, maybe if you are dumb enough to get the animal version which probably like the rejected/expired human versions. but its for people too and there is a dosage for people.

if he had a prescription for it, why wouldnt the pharmacist give it to him? i dont get it

YugiNoob posted...

I was hoping there would be a literal clown, with a rainbow wig, big red nose, colorful suit, etc. :(

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Pharmacists know more about medicine than doctors do. A pharmacist isnt a receptionist like some of you people think. If a pharmacist rejects a prescription, generally you should be questioning your doctor

toyota posted...

isnt this the reason why people are buying the fucked up horse versions which probably are a different dose to humans.

ive taken ivermectin in the past, not for covid as ive never had covid. but its just like any other tablet or medicine you have taken before, I didnt feel anything weird or have any side effects besides it clearing up the itch i had. i dont know why the media and everyone keeps making it out like its this big bad medicine only for animals that will fuck you up. yes, maybe if you are dumb enough to get the animal version which probably like the rejected/expired human versions. but its for people too and there is a dosage for people.

if he had a prescription for it, why wouldnt the pharmacist give it to him? i dont get it

I think you do get it, and are being obtuse.

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YugiNoob posted...

I was hoping there would be a literal clown, with a rainbow wig, big red nose, colorful suit, etc. :(

a literal clown would be more dignified than those jokers...

Guide posted...

I think you do get it, and are being obtuse.

no i really dont. i had a prescription when i had ivermectin

if he had a prescription why couldnt he get his medication? or was he literally being an asshat expecting to just buy it over the counter? cos i cant seem to watch the video

There's a reason why a pharmacist is required to have a degree that extends beyond the ability to read and measure out medicine.

OrangeWizard posted...

Interesting, so pharmacists can refuse to give out medicines, going against the doctor's advice, based on a combination of their own personal feelings and their own independent research. I never knew that!

The FDA flat-out says that ivermectin is not approved for treating COVID. That's not independent research or personal feelings.

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Serious Cat posted...

The FDA flat-out says that ivermectin is not approved for treating COVID. That's not independent research or personal feelings.

not saying that ivermectin works for covid but FDA have also been wrong in the past. Sure they might be the best we got but they arent completely nistake proof. These articles were from 2017. And remember there was a time when painkillers were considered safe miracle drugs yet created a generation of addicts

https://www.drugwatch.com/featured/misplaced-trust-fda-approval-concerns/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/09/527575055/one-third-of-new-drugs-had-safety-problems-after-fda-approval

toyota posted...

These articles were from 2017.

These articles about covid?

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I see the ivermectin sea lions are out in full force this morning

toyota posted...

not saying that ivermectin works for covid but FDA have also been wrong in the past. Sure they might be the best we got but they arent completely nistake proof. These articles were from 2017. And remember there was a time when painkillers were considered safe miracle drugs yet created a generation of addicts

https://www.drugwatch.com/featured/misplaced-trust-fda-approval-concerns/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/05/09/527575055/one-third-of-new-drugs-had-safety-problems-after-fda-approval

That's nice. A pharmacist refusing to fill an off-label prescription for ivermectin still isn't relying on feelings or independent research to come to that conclusion.

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Is it legal to video record this and post it online?

Amy Chao posted...

Is it legal to video record this and post it online?

If it's in Texas, I think the recording was legal.

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I really wish the people who know nothing and lack basic ethics would shut the fuck up already about what doctors and pharmacists should do.

"The customer is always right" is bullshit anyway, but it shouldn't even exist in healthcare

Society is in full collapse.

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Crono99 posted...

In some places there may also be a risk of professional sanction if a pharmacist doesn't catch a doctor's mistake

Doctors diagnose, that's why you get your prescription from them. The pharmacy is like a goalie who's the last line of defense in case the doctor screws up in the prescription

Exactly this. I'm a pharmacist and Ive caught many of these mistakes. I'm not blaming the doctors for making them, they're human too, but a lot of the time it's because the patient hasn't given all the information (allergies, concurrent meds, etc.). Usually doctors are grateful for our help and I'm happy to help protect them and their patients.

But we're also more than just the goalie. We teach patients how to use their medications, when to take, how to inject their insulin, how to use inhalers, provide vaccinations, etc. Patients will spend the same amount, if not more, time with their pharmacist than their doctor. It's really frustrating to see ignorant people like orange_wizard, or whatever his name is, say that pharmacists don't know their patients. We know them far better than you even know

toyota posted...

isnt this the reason why people are buying the fucked up horse versions which probably are a different dose to humans.

ive taken ivermectin in the past, not for covid as ive never had covid. but its just like any other tablet or medicine you have taken before, I didnt feel anything weird or have any side effects besides it clearing up the itch i had. i dont know why the media and everyone keeps making it out like its this big bad medicine only for animals that will fuck you up. yes, maybe if you are dumb enough to get the animal version which probably like the rejected/expired human versions. but its for people too and there is a dosage for people.

if he had a prescription for it, why wouldnt the pharmacist give it to him? i dont get it

A drug being taken at a safe dose and not killing you does not mean anyone can take it in any amount for any reason and that it will clear up what's wrong with them. Overdoses wouldn't exist if that was the case.

"Just give it to them if they want it" is a ridiculously reckless way for a pharmacist to operate and anyone who does so should be stripped of their license and charged with crimes.

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This topic is filled with a lot of stupidity and trolling.

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Crono99 posted...

We live in a post-fact world.

It's no longer about science. It's about whose side you're on.

I also blame some of it on capitalism, or at least a stubborn American consumer's idea of it.

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YugiNoob posted...

I was hoping there would be a literal clown, with a rainbow wig, big red nose, colorful suit, etc. :(

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why are conservatives dying on yet another stupid hill. I feel like they're going harder on this ivermectin thing more than they did for hydroxychloroquin

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Anyone have the video? Its unavailable now

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-GalacticBass- posted...

It worked for many people like Joe Rogan.

Theres no proof of this. Rogan underwent traditional treatment methods in addition to taking ivermectin. Hes also in relatively good shape and isnt that old, so its not odd that he recovered quickly.

YugiNoob posted...

I was hoping there would be a literal clown, with a rainbow wig, big red nose, colorful suit, etc. :(

Same That was the only reason I came to the topic
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@OrangeWizard You do realize that pharmacists are doctors too right?

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hockeybub89 posted...

A drug being taken at a safe dose and not killing you does not mean anyone can take it in any amount for any reason and that it will clear up what's wrong with them

But you can apply that logic to any medicine. "Lets not give them these anti-biotics in case they take the whole bottle thinking it will heal them faster as opposed to the 1 tablet, 2 times a day over 7 days instructions"

Im sure for the most part the doctor would have given him a regular normal dose, and if not, the pharmacist will notice if a dosage was off or incorrect.

Serious Cat posted...

That's nice. A pharmacist refusing to fill an off-label prescription for ivermectin still isn't relying on feelings or independent research to come to that conclusion.

Thats the part I dont understand. How did the pharmacist know it was an 'off-label' prescription? Did they just assume then causing a drama over it? Can pharmacists even ask what their condition is and all sorts of private info out in the open (remember, doctors consult you in private rooms behind closed doors), besides asking them if they had taken the medication before? Thats what I find so odd.

When I had ivermectin years ago I dont recall a pharmacist asking me what its for. I dont recall a pharmacist ever asking me the reason why i was taking any prescription I had.

SoggyBottomBoy posted...

Anyone have the video? Its unavailable now

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