Current Events > People are getting taken for a ride over this Chappelle shit tbh

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Jokes taken out of context to create a headline, well meaning, tho naive, people reacting to that headline, people reacting to the reaction of the headline in order to use Chappelle as some champion of hateful beliefs when he isn't. And none of these people are actually watching the special lol
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I watched it and it made me uncomfortable

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https://twitter.com/PFTompkins/status/1447768953825095682?t=dAEAM5A64MGyJBGnX6HLuQ&s=19

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Plot twist: TC didn't watch it either

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I watched it.

I didn't find it offensive, but the trans jokes are fucking old. Makes him sound like an old man yelling at clouds.

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This is one of those times where people defending Dave Chappelle need to understand that they are also keeping the company of right wing and neo-nazis and maybe should take a step back and evaluate their stance here.

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Hayame Zero posted...

https://twitter.com/PFTompkins/status/1447768953825095682?t=dAEAM5A64MGyJBGnX6HLuQ&s=19

Paul F Tompkins couldn't identify funny if it slapped him in the face. But that's besides the point, he's absolutely wrong here. Every criticism about this has been snippets of his special taken out of context. You shouldn't have to take something out of context in order to make your case.
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I watched like half of it before falling asleep last night. He was rude and brash about the LGBT community but nothing so bad he should be canceled or whatever.

I get he's trying to clear the air about some things, but yeah he just kept going on and on about it to the point where I felt really dragged out in this special. There were some good jokes in there, but I think the problem with Trans jokes is that you hear one of them you basically heard almost all of them. The only thing that got me hooked on his stand ups is his story telling.

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I watched it a few days ago. It's not that great.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Paul F Tompkins couldn't identify funny if it slapped him in the face. But that's besides the point, he's absolutely wrong here. Every criticism about this has been snippets of his special taken out of context. You shouldn't have to take something out of context in order to make your case.

paul f tompkins is infinitely funnier than you will ever be lol

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RobertDoback posted...

This is one of those times where people defending Dave Chappelle need to understand that they are also keeping the company of right wing and neo-nazis and maybe should take a step back and evaluate their stance here.

This is a weird way to look at it. Chappelle is in no way pushing neo-Nazi or right wing ideas in his special. And they're only taking his side because of the various headlines claiming he's a TERF, or that he hates trans people. Which he isn't/doesn't.
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RobertDoback posted...

This is one of those times where people defending Dave Chappelle need to understand that they are also keeping the company of right wing and neo-nazis and maybe should take a step back and evaluate their stance here.

I'ma share a little secret with you: People off-web don't really think in those terms. They just like what they like; nobody in the "real world" is keeping track of what political parties share their views on entertainment.

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What is there to take out of context? He was pretty clear in his comparison of trans women's genitals to beyond meat. The fact that he prefaces it with "I'm not saying they're not women" doesn't make the fact that he goes on to use the same rhetoric transphobes use any better lol

I don't think this whole situation is the best use of peoples energy, but it does kinda show how little progress we're making when we still have popular comedians perpetuating negative stereotypes at a crucial time when we need to be shedding those beliefs

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Prestoff posted...

I get he's trying to clear the air about some things, but yeah he just kept going on and on about it to the point where I felt really dragged out in this special. There were some good jokes in there, but I think the problem with Trans jokes is that you hear one of them you basically heard almost all of them. The only thing that got me hooked on his stand ups is his story telling.

He's gonna keep doing it because everyone always has a hissy fit over everything he says, which not only makes him richer but also kinda affirms what he's been saying about the demeaning experience of a black person living in America vs. every other social demo in the same regard.

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Gwynevere posted...

What is there to take out of context?

The TERF joke and the black face joke are the ones that are being used mostly.
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Is the comparison to beyond meat both apt and offensive?

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Also Netflix suspending a trans employee for tweeting against Chappelle was a headline when that wasn't what actually happened. It seems like these entertainment outlets are being shittier than usual and people should be way more mad at that.
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He's a piece of shit what's new?

Gwynevere posted...

What is there to take out of context? He was pretty clear in his comparison of trans women's genitals to beyond meat. The fact that he prefaces it with "I'm not saying they're not women" doesn't make the fact that he goes on to use the same rhetoric transphobes use any better lol

I don't think this whole situation is the best use of peoples energy, but it does kinda show how little progress we're making when we still have popular comedians perpetuating negative stereotypes at a crucial time when we need to be shedding those beliefs

I think the reality is that Dave finds transitioning to be a fundamentally funny concept. He doesn't appear to hold ill will towards it, but he thinks it's inherently surreal that people actually get surgery and stuff to become more like the opposite sex.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Paul F Tompkins couldn't identify funny if it slapped him in the face. But that's besides the point, he's absolutely wrong here. Every criticism about this has been snippets of his special taken out of context. You shouldn't have to take something out of context in order to make your case.

You an't fit to lick the peanut butter off Mr. Peanutbutter's shoes.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Paul F Tompkins couldn't identify funny if it slapped him in the face.

If I had at any point been willing to hear you out on this, that statement alone would disqualify you from ever passing judgment on comedy.

Tagging TC as a transphobe and moving on with my life.

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lol at people being buttmad about Chappelle, some things never change

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Every single one of Paul F Tompkins stand up specials are God awful. He's palatable when he has competent writers behind him (like in Bojack where he isn't just being Paul F Tompkins) but man he's awful on his own.
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MrToothHasYou posted...

Tagging TC as a transphobe and moving on with my life.

See, this doesn't help. By preemptively labeling people as some sort of ist/phobe/etc., you're only encouraging them to respond with the same dismissive attitude. And the result is everyone doubling down on their beliefs instead of actually having a nuanced conversation.

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the0rebirth posted...

I think the reality is that Dave finds transitioning to be a fundamentally funny concept. He doesn't appear to hold ill will towards it, but he thinks it's inherently surreal that people actually get surgery and stuff to become more like the opposite sex.

What you're describing is still pretty transphobic.

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The best thing about the Dave Chappelle special is the competition for who is the wokest

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I don't think he needs to be canceled, but I will say his trans jokes are some of his worst material ever. I believe in the fact that everything can be made fun of, either all of it is ok or none of it is, but those were lazy ass jokes.

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FarFromFields posted...

What you're describing is still pretty transphobic.

For me, that's where it gets grey. Is it transphobic to think transness is sort of surreal by its very nature, but still not take any issue with it nor promote animosity towards it? Thinking something has an element of strangeness to it isn't necessarily the same as thinking it's bad.

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the0rebirth posted...

See, this doesn't help. By preemptively labeling people as some sort of ist/phobe/etc., you're only encouraging them to respond with the same dismissive attitude. And the result is everyone doubling down on their beliefs instead of actually having a nuanced conversation.

lmao if one side is pro murder and the other is anti murder, you don't need to have a nuanced conversation or "meet in the middle." the logic you're using is how transphobia/homophobia/etc. are able to survive; sometimes you just need to stomp a weed.

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Lorthremar posted...

lmao if one side is pro murder and the other is anti murder, you don't need to have a nuanced conversation or "meet in the middle."

But we're not talking about something so extreme, and that's where this rebuttal is dishonest. TC didn't say anything transphobic, and yet the user I responded to said he would mark him for transphobia. How is that fair, reasonable, or conducive to any sort of productive dialogue?

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the0rebirth posted...

For me, that's where it gets grey. Is it transphobic to think transness is sort of surreal by its very nature, but still not take any issue with it nor promote animosity towards it? Thinking something has an element of strangeness to it isn't necessarily the same as thinking it's bad.

Bingo

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Everybody knows if Dave is your type of comic or not, and if he isnt then you're just watching to get offended.

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Lorthremar posted...

lmao if one side is pro murder and the other is anti murder, you don't need to have a nuanced conversation or "meet in the middle." the logic you're using is how transphobia/homophobia/etc. are able to survive; sometimes you just need to stomp a weed.

Chappelle isn't pro-transphobia though. So you're just stomping everywhere to look like you're doing something lol
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the0rebirth posted...

For me, that's where it gets grey. Is it transphobic to think transness is sort of surreal by its very nature, but still not take any issue with it nor promote animosity towards it? Thinking something has an element of strangeness to it isn't necessarily the same as thinking it's bad.

Thats my entire issue with the trans community if Im being honest. Gender identity shouldnt require belief in it. If we had the church saying people hate religion because they dont believe in it and should in every instance people would cry bloody murder. I can understand someone else believing in trans identity, but saying someone else is transphobic because they themselves dont hold that belief is bullshit.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

This is a weird way to look at it. Chappelle is in no way pushing neo-Nazi or right wing ideas in his special. And they're only taking his side because of the various headlines claiming he's a TERF, or that he hates trans people. Which he isn't/doesn't.

What I'm saying is, right wing/neo-Nazis types defending Chappelle here should be a red flag.

the0rebirth posted...

I'ma share a little secret with you: People off-web don't really think in those terms. They just like what they like; nobody in the "real world" is keeping track of what political parties share their views on entertainment.

Nah, they definitely do. People online are still people, also.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Thats my entire issue with the trans community if Im being honest. Gender identity shouldnt require belief in it. If we had the church saying people hate religion because they dont believe in it and should in every instance people would cry bloody murder. I can understand someone else believing in trans identity, but saying someone else is transphobic because they themselves dont hold that belief is bullshit.

Oh shit you're about to ruffle some feathers now

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Nothing he said was transphobic unless your the kind of person who thinks it's transphobic to acknowledge any difference between a trans woman and a biological woman.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Thats my entire issue with the trans community if Im being honest. Gender identity shouldnt require belief in it. If we had the church saying people hate religion because they dont believe in it and should in every instance people would cry bloody murder. I can understand someone else believing in trans identity, but saying someone else is transphobic because they themselves dont hold that belief is bullshit.

Well the problem is that some people will use that "disbelief" to then treat trans people very poorly.

RobertDoback posted...

What I'm saying is, right wing/neo-Nazis types defending Chappelle here should be a red flag.

Okay but they're defending him for the wrong reason the same way people are attacking him for the wrong reason.

I also saw a lot of users online call him racial slurs over this special. Wouldn't that be a red flag too?
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I didn't talk about it fir the first few days or week because I hadn't seen it yet.

What's as bad as what you're suggesting of us, is not being able to understand two people can fully experience something and still have different perspectives and views. If you write off everyone you don't agree with as not putting in the work, you'll remain as ignorant as the day you were born.

I did too much at the end.

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lolife67 posted...

Well the problem is that some people will use that "disbelief" to then treat trans people very poorly.

People who hate trans people are solely responsible for their own actions.

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lolife67 posted...

Well the problem is that some people will use that "disbelief" to then treat trans people very poorly.

Those people are going to be that way regardless of how much you try and shame everyone else.

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Okay but they're defending him for the wrong reason the same way people are attacking him for the wrong reason.

I disagree. There's not much context that can be added that makes his joke about the Beyond Burger an unnecessary low blow. It wasn't even clever. It was just...bad.

Smashingpmkns posted...

I also saw a lot of users online call him racial slurs over this special. Wouldn't that be a red flag too?

There is zero justification for people to be using racial slurs, so yeah, that's a red flag for that person.

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Watched it. Loved it. Your synopsis is spot on TC. People will find a way to twist anything to fit their outrage. I personally loved the bit with Daphne where she said, I dont need you to understand me. I just need you to believe Im having a human experience.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

What's as bad as what you're suggesting of us, is not being able to understand two people can fully experience something and still have different perspectives and views.

Except that's not what I'm doing. People online, especially CE, have posted about not watching it and still reacting to these out of context headlines.

If you watched it and you didn't like it that's cool. I can see why people don't like it. I can't see how it's some extreme transphobic form of media though because it blatantly isn't.
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RobertDoback posted...

Nah, they definitely do. People online are still people, also.

Internet culture conditions people differently than the real world. If all you do is visit forums, argue with strangers, and constantly expose yourself to the world's issues (especially social/political ones), it's likely gonna color your perspective on a lot of things. Most people who watch Chappelle are already big fans who have enjoyed his unapologetically edgy sense of humor for years; they're not thinking about whether crazy weirdos agree with them. They just wanna laugh.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Those people are going to be that way regardless of how much you try and shame everyone else.

Seriously, like what the hell does it have to do with anything? Go after those people instead of freaking out on everyone who doesn't view it the exact same way you do.

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Breaking: Dave Chappelle to hold meeting with creators of southpark RE: how to do trans humor that wont get you cancelled

Chappelle quoted as saying "I did a few routines and they got boycotts out on me, Trey and Matt did a whole season and ended up with a billi! I gotta know the secret!"

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ReignFury posted...

People who hate trans people are solely responsible for their own actions.

Hmm, to an extent. It's also possible to normalize things to where people find it ok to bash and others turn a blind eye.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Those people are going to be that way regardless of how much you try and shame everyone else.

Some will, sure. But it's also a bit of a dog whistle and I can understand a marginalized group not wanting to have that promoted. And I'm not shaming anyone, as an fyi.