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What_
10/11/21 8:50:24 PM
#51:


LeoRavus posted...
I completely agree. Some people are so brainwashed. It's why America is failing. I can't even make this shit up. This is what she said to me early on when I found out


Holy shit the idiot in that tweet is infuriating even after their own family member dies and they watch it happen they still wont get vaccinated
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CableZL
10/11/21 8:51:19 PM
#52:


DarkRoast posted...
Why the hell would we get paid extra for killing our customers
Logic easily escapes those who say dumb shit like that.

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kingdrake2
10/11/21 8:52:22 PM
#53:


EbonTitanium posted...
Ive seen pictures of what COVID does to your lungs.


it destroys em. that's if unlucky enough to get that after-effect. people lose alot of vitality they cant walk up stairs without getting winded. even walking a short distance is tiring.
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DarkRoast
10/11/21 8:53:43 PM
#54:


Trumble posted...
On top of that, they genuinely seem to believe that "you can still catch/transmit it" is some big secret being kept from us, rather than something literally everyone knows but most people just can put into its proper context.

There's actually a name for it - the Nirvana Fallacy. It's very common with anti-vaxxers. Using the argument that if something isn't 100% safe, it cannot be mandated. The problem obviously being that literally nothing is 100% safe, including eating. Vaccines have such a good safety profile, anti-factors basically have to perform incredible mental gymnastics to explain why they think they are so dangerous. My favorite being that literally every vaers submission counts as a death, but only 10% of deaths are reported, so there are 10 times as many deaths. It's absolutely goofy as hell. The vast majority of deaths reported to vaers have nothing to do with the vaccine other than temporal proximity. Something like one out of six deaths are literally trauma.

I literally had a patient tell me that he suspected at least 1 billion people had died from the vaccine. I told him we would probably notice if one out of seven people in the entire world dropped dead, and it would be rather confusing at the vaccine killed more people than even received it.

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/21 8:57:49 PM
#55:


dealing with people who use selective logic based on how it benefits their narrative are a chore to deal with lol.
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DarkRoast
10/11/21 9:00:32 PM
#56:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
dealing with people who use selective logic based on how it benefits their narrative are a chore to deal with lol.




We desperately need a lot more of Marcus Aurelius

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metralo
10/11/21 9:02:49 PM
#57:


Trump and Conservative media has literally permanently destroyed America. I dont know if there's any coming back from this.

I'm sorry TC.

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DarkRoast
10/11/21 9:04:47 PM
#58:


metralo posted...
Trump and Conservative media has literally permanently destroyed America. I dont know if there's any coming back from this.

I'm sorry TC.

Thank goodness I somehow managed to escape that misinformation echo chamber. It's nothing short of Orwellian with all the Memory Hole-ism, which makes it all the more ironic that they tend to claim Democrats are 1984-ish.


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Trumble
10/11/21 9:07:51 PM
#59:


DarkRoast posted...
There's actually a name for it - the Nirvana Fallacy. It's very common with anti-vaxxers. Using the argument that if something isn't 100% safe, it cannot be mandated. The problem obviously being that literally nothing is 100% safe, including eating. Vaccines have such a good safety profile, anti-factors basically have to perform incredible mental gymnastics to explain why they think they are so dangerous. My favorite being that literally every vaers submission counts as a death, but only 10% of deaths are reported, so there are 10 times as many deaths. It's absolutely goofy as hell. The vast majority of deaths reported to vaers have nothing to do with the vaccine other than temporal proximity. Something like one out of six deaths are literally trauma.

To be clear I am not disputing anything you're saying but, that's not what I was getting at. It's more that they actually think "you can still catch" it is something we don't know, that amazes me.

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DarkRoast
10/11/21 9:09:53 PM
#60:


Trumble posted...
To be clear I am not disputing anything you're saying but, that's not what I was getting at. It's more that they actually think "you can still catch" it is something we don't know, that amazes me.

Oh, I get what you're saying now. Yeah, it's their way of trying to make us seem less honest. Ironically, by using dishonesty.

They act like we don't talk about side effects or give informed consent, yet they're the ones preventing informed consent by spreading misinformation.

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Gobstoppers12
10/11/21 9:16:12 PM
#61:


DarkRoast posted...
The vast majority of deaths reported to vaers have nothing to do with the vaccine other than temporal proximity. Something like one out of six deaths are literally trauma.
I made the mistake of arguing with an anti-vaxxer on Twitter like six months ago, on one of the extremely rare occasions I decided to expose myself to that absolute pit of a website.

He brought up vaers, and I tried to calmly and clearly explain to him why those statistics were not in any way a measure of people dying because of the vaccine, but instead related to those who died for any reason after having received it. I posted a direct quote from the CDC's website: "VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

And then he went off on this ridiculous rant about how he knows the truth, and that vaccines are poison, and that the CDC is lying to cover their asses, etc. etc. etc.

Even though he was the one using VAERS to support his argument that the vaccines were unsafe. It's fucking useless to debate with these people. They already know they're the smartest person in the world, and fuck you for trying to tell them otherwise.

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DarkRoast
10/11/21 9:22:03 PM
#62:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
I made the mistake of arguing with an anti-vaxxer on Twitter like six months ago, on one of the extremely rare occasions I decided to expose myself to that absolute pit of a website.

He brought up vaers, and I tried to calmly and clearly explain to him why those statistics were not in any way a measure of people dying because of the vaccine, but instead related to those who died for any reason after having received it. I posted a direct quote from the CDC's website: "VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

And then he went off on this ridiculous rant about how he knows the truth, and that vaccines are poison, and that the CDC is lying to cover their asses, etc. etc. etc.

Even though he was the one using VAERS to support his argument that the vaccines were unsafe. It's fucking useless to debate with these people. They already know they're the smartest person in the world, and fuck you for trying to tell them otherwise.

Yes, and if you remember the way Trump supporters responded to the post-election insanity, anti-vaxxers are very similar. They swear the data will prove them right, and then when the data doesn't, it's a conspiracy. They demand studies, then when the studies come back and prove them wrong, the data must be doctored. And they absolutely love quack physicians who say what they want to hear, but they never seem to realize that those physicians charge money for their lectures, books, supplements, etc. It's all about the grift.

They are so desperate to feed their confirmation bias, they will literally pay people with degrees at the end of their name, regardless of what they are, huge sums of money to give lectures. And of course those people never give free lectures; they are always subscription services and books.

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Machete
10/11/21 9:28:47 PM
#63:


TULPAMANCER posted...
Sorry to hear that, TC. I myself finally got my first shot just a week or so ago. I'm not anti-vaxx, I'm just too stubborn in trusting my own immune system. I realized how selfish I was being, how it would effect my family and friends if I got very sick or potentially died, and essentially got vaccinated for them.

I was that way... I still partially am. I do have a very strong immune system and I do still trust it... but when covid made it clear that it was real, I quickly went from "lol this a joke right? I'll be fine" to "okay now my job is on hold shit this is real" to "what the fuck even is happening?" I have always had anxiety and I have always had a pristine immune system and the level of anxiety I had knowing my immune system was not going to make any difference... was profound. I have no anti-vaxxer friends or family. I got the 2nd shot months ago. I will get any boosters that are suggested, and I will not care about any "back to normal" rhetoric. The world is a different place now. There is adaptation and survival. There is no return.

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What_
10/11/21 9:29:07 PM
#64:


Trumble posted...
To be clear I am not disputing anything you're saying but, that's not what I was getting at. It's more that they actually think "you can still catch" it is something we don't know, that amazes me.

yeah that shits infuriating I even hear idiots like Joe Rogan say this shit now oh that you can still get you can still catch it even after the vaccination. no shit thats always been the case with every fucking vaccine
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TULPAMANCER
10/11/21 9:32:35 PM
#65:


Machete posted...
I was that way... I still partially am. I do have a very strong immune system and I do still trust it... but when covid made it clear that it was real, I quickly went from "lol this a joke right? I'll be fine" to "okay now my job is on hold shit this is real" to "what the fuck even is happening?" I have always had anxiety and I have always had a pristine immune system and the level of anxiety I had knowing my immune system was not going to make any difference... was profound. I have no anti-vaxxer friends or family. I got the 2nd shot months ago. I will get any boosters that are suggested, and I will not care about any "back to normal" rhetoric. The world is a different place now. There is adaptation and survival. There is no return.

I also don't want to be one of those people who refused to get vaccinated, gets COVID, then takes up a precious spot in a hospital that otherwise could be used for someone who got sick due to reasons other than their own stubbornness.
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LeoRavus
10/11/21 9:33:11 PM
#66:


Wii_Shaker posted...
I'm so sorry to hear.

Does your dad approve of your lifestyle?

I don't really have a lifestyle these days, but he and my ex get along. We all hung out in Arizona a few years ago and they were talking recently before he stopped texting everyone. He's cool in a lot of ways, but this political shit did a number on him. I just can't wrap my head around it. He's always been kind of paranoid though so can't blame it on that alone.

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Zodd3224
10/11/21 9:35:39 PM
#67:


LeoRavus posted...
I completely agree. Some people are so brainwashed. It's why America is failing. I can't even make this shit up. This is what she said to me early on when I found out


My second best friend died recently from Covid, unvaccinated. And I also dealt with responses like this from unvaccinated people at his wake. It's mind numbing.

Tried saying he was so unhealthy but they will be fine. We are all in our late 30s to early 40s. None of you mfers are healthy. Delusional.

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ScazarMeltex
10/11/21 9:38:46 PM
#68:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
I made the mistake of arguing with an anti-vaxxer on Twitter like six months ago, on one of the extremely rare occasions I decided to expose myself to that absolute pit of a website.

He brought up vaers, and I tried to calmly and clearly explain to him why those statistics were not in any way a measure of people dying because of the vaccine, but instead related to those who died for any reason after having received it. I posted a direct quote from the CDC's website: "VAERS is not designed to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event. A report to VAERS does not mean the vaccine caused the event."

And then he went off on this ridiculous rant about how he knows the truth, and that vaccines are poison, and that the CDC is lying to cover their asses, etc. etc. etc.

Even though he was the one using VAERS to support his argument that the vaccines were unsafe. It's fucking useless to debate with these people. They already know they're the smartest person in the world, and fuck you for trying to tell them otherwise.
You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I appreciate that you made the effort but quite frankly they aren't worth it.

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DarkRoast
10/11/21 9:41:31 PM
#69:


Zodd3224 posted...
My second best friend died recently from Covid, unvaccinated. And I also dealt with responses like this from unvaccinated people at his wake. It's mind numbing.

Tried saying he was so unhealthy but they will be fine. We are all in our late 30s to early 40s. None of you mfers are healthy. Delusional.

July 1 2020


July 30 2020


Aug 31 2020



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What_
10/11/21 9:46:59 PM
#70:


DarkRoast posted...
July 1 2020


July 30 2020


Aug 31 2020


its a death cult
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Machete
10/11/21 9:49:56 PM
#71:


TULPAMANCER posted...
I also don't want to be one of those people who refused to get vaccinated, gets COVID, then takes up a precious spot in a hospital that otherwise could be used for someone who got sick due to reasons other than their own stubbornness.

I was fortunate that everything got real as fuck around me and thus did not give me even any chance at all to be like that. I could have been. I would have never been anti-vax, but I was indifferent as fuck until it was clear that the world was knocked on its ass and I was like "is this real?" I needed that, and I'm glad things played out that way. Thankfully no one in my life has died from the virus. I have an aunt and uncle who got it early and still have lasting effects many months later but they are alive and I am grateful for that. I'm just kinda pissed at myself that I shrugged it off at first. Maybe I shouldn't be. I came around and it didn't take too long but I could have come around sooner.

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Verdekal
10/11/21 9:50:42 PM
#72:


I'm sorry.

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metralo
10/11/21 9:59:21 PM
#73:


DarkRoast posted...
Thank goodness I somehow managed to escape that misinformation echo chamber. It's nothing short of Orwellian with all the Memory Hole-ism, which makes it all the more ironic that they tend to claim Democrats are 1984-ish.

I'm very, very happy you did.

Conservatism (at least at this point) is a disease. They don't have policies. They don't govern for the people. They don't help anyone aside from the 1%. And people think this is ok. Its just disgusting how much they have brainwashed the country.

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TULPAMANCER
10/11/21 10:05:42 PM
#75:


ScazarMeltex posted...
You can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Damn, I like that. QFT.

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Humble_Novice
10/11/21 10:07:40 PM
#76:


Perhaps this subreddit might help you out, TC: https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/new/
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Gobstoppers12
10/11/21 10:10:32 PM
#77:


Humble_Novice posted...
Perhaps this subreddit might help you out
Please don't link to hate subreddits.

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dj1200
10/11/21 10:12:11 PM
#78:


Holy shit. Thats crazy man. Hope your dad pulls through.

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dj1200
10/11/21 10:15:13 PM
#79:


Man, fuck anti vaxxers. Theyre killing ppl with that stupid mentality.

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/21 10:18:04 PM
#80:


lolololol @ #78 and #79.

"hope your dad pulls though. fuck that guy though."

lmao

edit: thanks Machete lmao
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metralo
10/11/21 10:19:17 PM
#81:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
Please don't link to hate subreddits.

In what world is that a hate sub?


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Gobstoppers12
10/11/21 10:19:51 PM
#82:


metralo posted...
In what world is that a hate sub?
This one. This world right here. The one you're standing in.

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Machete
10/11/21 10:21:53 PM
#83:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
#79 and #79

umm

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metralo
10/11/21 10:23:07 PM
#84:


Gobstoppers12 posted...
This one. This world right here. The one you're standing in.

Lol there's no hate there. There's a lot of frustration, sure. Because literally all of this is preventable and the US media has brainwashed people into thinking the vaccine is evil. Any hate that is in that sub is towards shitbags like Trump, Carlson, or DeSantis.

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dj1200
10/11/21 10:24:04 PM
#85:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
lolololol @ #78 and #79.

"hope your dad pulls though. fuck that guy though."

lmao

edit: thanks Machete lmao
XFD

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Trumble
10/11/21 10:24:58 PM
#86:


Machete posted...
I was fortunate that everything got real as fuck around me and thus did not give me even any chance at all to be like that. I could have been. I would have never been anti-vax, but I was indifferent as fuck until it was clear that the world was knocked on its ass and I was like "is this real?" I needed that, and I'm glad things played out that way.
Same tbh. Especially in light of how much of a nothingburger several other hyped-up viruses have been (SARS, bird flu, swine flu, ebola, zika...), I really didn't take it seriously at first, and - had the vax somehow been available from the start - while not anti, I'd definitely have been in the "not gonna get it unless I'm forced or bribed" group. Though would have got it without much complaints if one of those did happen.

That changed when it became clear that no, this one is actually the real deal for once.

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tanis574
10/11/21 10:26:05 PM
#87:


metralo posted...
In what world is that a hate sub?

Laughing at people dying because they're your "political enemy" is sociopathic.
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Trumble
10/11/21 10:27:20 PM
#88:


tanis574 posted...
Laughing at people dying because they're your "political enemy" is sociopathic.
Maybe it's less about "political enemies" and more about "blatant disregard for their own health and that of others around them".

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RickyTheBAWSE
10/11/21 10:27:36 PM
#89:


dj1200 posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
lolololol @ #78 and #79.

"hope your dad pulls through. fuck that guy though."

lmao

edit: thanks Machete lmao
XFD


and I still messed up in that post, smh lol
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tanis574
10/11/21 10:28:26 PM
#90:


metralo posted...
Lol there's no hate there. There's a lot of frustration, sure. Because literally all of this is preventable and the US media has brainwashed people into thinking the vaccine is evil. Any hate that is in that sub is towards shitbags like Trump, Carlson, or DeSantis.

Trump told his supporters to get the vaccine.
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metralo
10/11/21 10:32:23 PM
#91:


tanis574 posted...
Laughing at people dying because they're your "political enemy" is sociopathic.

no one is laughing

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metralo
10/11/21 10:32:53 PM
#92:


tanis574 posted...
Trump told his supporters to get the vaccine.

and they booed him because he's been spouting anti vaccine rhetoric for the past year he was in office. fuck off


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Gobstoppers12
10/11/21 10:37:45 PM
#93:


metralo posted...
no one is laughing
Please don't play coy. You know as well as I do that the people who frequent that subreddit think they're fucking hilarious. The titles alone are proof that at least a large portion of the user base is making a joke of it all.

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PBusted
10/11/21 10:37:49 PM
#94:


tanis574 posted...
Laughing at people dying because they're your "political enemy" is sociopathic.
Where are these random right wing sage accounts coming out of the woodwork from?
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TULPAMANCER
10/11/21 10:39:59 PM
#95:


Regardless, people should not base their personal health choices on what an ideologue avers. Remain open-minded, do the research if you are skeptical, and make up your own mind.
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tanis574
10/11/21 10:42:15 PM
#96:


PBusted posted...
Where are these random right wing sage accounts coming out of the woodwork from?

TIL I am a right winger.
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PBusted
10/11/21 10:47:38 PM
#97:


"How can Ashli Babbit he hero , and Jan 6 be a hoax.tanis574
10/10/21 7:40:46 PM
#8dj1200
she was that lady who was shot and killed when they overran the capitol

When they were let in by the cops and took a bunch of selfies inside and a cop shot and killed an unarmed woman*

tanis574
10/10/21 1:38:45 PM
#42GamerguymasS
So I guess we are celebrating racism and sexism now?
Yeah the left is bringing back segregation.

Trump isn't racist

tanis574
10/10/21 1:27:13 PM
#33kingdrake2
coroni didn't finish the job when it had the chance.

Probably cause it's not that deadly to the vast majority of people.
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Example 1 million of a right winger pretending they're not right wing.
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tanis574
10/11/21 10:48:48 PM
#98:


Lol when's the last time you've been outside?
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metralo
10/11/21 10:50:08 PM
#99:


PBusted posted...
Where are these random right wing sage accounts coming out of the woodwork from?

right? there are so many accounts lately from 2005-2007 that have little to no active posts suddenly posting fake news and very pro trump stuff. wonder why

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10/11/21 10:51:19 PM
#100:


Sorry, tc.

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