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RickyTheBAWSE
09/24/21 1:58:27 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand.


should've been the end of the topic, but when people came in bad faith in the first place...
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g0ldie
09/24/21 1:59:30 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
You cannot end racial discrimination by mandating it.
I dunno, Brown v Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act, etc. have helped society be less racist

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Questionmarktarius
09/24/21 2:01:20 PM
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g0ldie posted...
I dunno, Brown v Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act, etc. have helped society be less racist
None of those particularly mandate racial discrimination.
let me go edit that one-liner right quick, to take out some ambiguity...
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NeoShadowhen
09/24/21 2:03:28 PM
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g0ldie posted...
I dunno, Brown v Board of Education, the Civil Rights Act, etc. have helped society be less racist

I think the final word it in their sentence is referencing racial discrimination. So it would read as You cannot end racial discrimination by mandating racial discrimination.
At least that would make more sense in the context of this topic.
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g0ldie
09/24/21 2:04:43 PM
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lol, I was giving you a hard time, but I feel like people aren't going to necessarily move for things to be more inclusive if they don't have some kinda "push", especially if they feel they don't benefit from it

edit: at post 53

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Questionmarktarius
09/24/21 2:08:37 PM
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g0ldie posted...
lol, I was giving you a hard time, but I feel like people aren't going to necessarily move for things to be more inclusive if they don't have some kinda "push", especially if they feel they don't benefit from it
The inherent problem with quotas is that it's just as much ignoring the individual as plain old bigotry.
You are not an individual person with unique goals and skills and experiences, but a collection of specific superfluous traits to be checked off some "diversity manager's" list.

All you get is mathematical fake diversity, while everyone breaks off into their own little cliques at lunchtime, just like in highschool.
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g0ldie
09/24/21 2:13:56 PM
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that's not necessarily what I was talking about, but I don't see how that's worse than all of those who got their positions just because of who they knew somewhere down the line


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Trumble
09/24/21 2:15:11 PM
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ScazarMeltex posted...
Being anti-racist is about actively confronting racism and racists when you see it as opposed to just passively not being a racist. It's not a difficult concept to understand.

This. In practice may not always work out that way (heck, a lot of the people who claim to be "anti-racist" are among the biggest fucking racists I've met when they aren't putting on a performance for an audience), but at a definition level, the difference is extremely simple to understand.

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RickyTheBAWSE
09/24/21 2:15:50 PM
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since we're looking at patterns critically, anybody ever notice that when a society gets "less racist," it's because a law passed that prohibited a specific act? not the goodness of their own hearts?

is there any evidence of that culture changing for the better without threats of jail and fines?

people smile and grin in your face all day, and they'll "go along to get along." but you never really know who you're dealing with until they're in a position to impose their will with minimal ramifications. if they're better educated, they're less likely to be as terrible as their predecessors though.
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AlphaCuck
09/24/21 2:21:29 PM
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100% tc. if anti-racism just means running around scolding other adults and trying to be the language police they shouldn't be surprised when nobody likes them

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IShall_Run_Amok
09/24/21 2:22:32 PM
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Lathissamus posted...
Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop?
No, but they might shut the fuck up or flee if we make them they feel as threatened as they deserve to feel.

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RickyTheBAWSE
09/24/21 2:23:00 PM
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Dathrowed1
09/24/21 2:47:11 PM
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NeoShadowhen posted...
Yes, but Im this context racial discrimination is anything that leads to an inequitable outcome in regards to race. So it isnt about just challenging racists, its about tipping the scales to provide an advantage to those groups who have faced historical discrimination, inevitably at the expense of members of groups who have not faced historical discrimination, regardless of if those people are racists or anti-racists.

I hope Im making sense. Its been a while since I read it.
You got it right. Prof. Kendi believes racial disparity in anything is only explained by racism and to combat them you need racist policies the other way

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LordMarshal
09/24/21 2:49:30 PM
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Racists are generally aggressive and stupid. Im not confronting them.

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One_Day_Remains
09/24/21 3:00:24 PM
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How coincidental that the people agreeing with TC are the very same people that get clowned in just about every other topic they post for posting stupid shit
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One_Day_Remains
09/24/21 3:01:23 PM
#66:


AlphaCuck posted...
100% tc. if anti-racism just means running around scolding other adults and trying to be the language police they shouldn't be surprised when nobody likes them


Like lmao look at this and see if you don't roll your eyes out of your socket. "The language police". Are you 5 years old?
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AlphaCuck
09/24/21 3:03:51 PM
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One_Day_Remains posted...
Like lmao look at this and see if you don't roll your eyes out of your socket. "The language police". Are you 5 years old?
no i don't tattle on people for saying a bad word

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One_Day_Remains
09/24/21 3:04:23 PM
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So you are in fact, 5 years old
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CyricZ
09/24/21 3:09:12 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
You cannot end racial discrimination by mandating racial discrimination.
That's not the plan. The plan is mandating anti-racial discrimination. Mandating against racists.

It only becomes "racial discrimination" if the only racists in the world are white, and there are some very fine intellectuals on this board who tell me that not only white people are racist.

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Questionmarktarius
09/24/21 3:17:27 PM
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CyricZ posted...
That's not the plan. The plan is mandating anti-racial discrimination. Mandating against racists.
It's already illegal to be racist in several (or most) interactions. There's not a whole hell of a lot left before we start wandering into thoughtcrime, or at the very least start punishing the very people we're nominally trying to help.
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FarFromFields
09/24/21 3:19:11 PM
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brotrrwinner posted...
"Anti-racists" at work:

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553
Fair, those guys are assholes.

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CyricZ
09/24/21 3:38:41 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
It's already illegal to be racist in several (or most) interactions.
Actually that's probably not true.

I say probably because you've really committed to nothing in this sentence.

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What_
09/24/21 3:42:24 PM
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This is hilarious considering the tag I have for TC
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Background_Guy
09/24/21 4:00:14 PM
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Why does CE have so many racists?
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PatrickMahomes
09/24/21 4:01:42 PM
#76:


FarFromFields posted...
Fair, those guys are assholes.
On what grounds?

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Solution_45
09/24/21 4:11:01 PM
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brotrrwinner posted...
"Anti-racists" at work:

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553

my new favorite twitter account

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Shadow Don
09/24/21 4:43:06 PM
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Lathissamus posted...
Additionally, when you tell white people in general that they are inherently racist, or oppressors, you are going to get push back.

I have still yet to encounter this as a straight white guy doing academic research on the topic of racial equity.

Also, that's not what anti-racism is supposed to be.


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Lathissamus
09/24/21 5:19:33 PM
#80:


CyricZ posted...
Prove it.

Prove it.


Okay:

teep_ posted...
aka "how can I justify my hatred of those darn browns???"


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dirtydog
09/24/21 5:34:16 PM
#81:


brotrrwinner posted...
"Anti-racists" at work:

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553

This is what anti-white racism looks like.

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Skype
09/24/21 5:38:38 PM
#82:


brotrrwinner posted...
"Anti-racists" at work:

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1441202362073239553

Apparently, these guys were intruding into a multi-cultural space in order to get a reaction out of people like the camera person. Is the camera person reactionary? Sure, they're college kids.

But these dudes are actual losers who wanted to invade a harmless space where minorities could interact.

"Police matters" is not a culture and these guys got the reaction they fished for.

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CyricZ
09/24/21 5:41:01 PM
#83:


Lathissamus posted...
Okay:
Proving which one? And how?

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AlphaCuck
09/24/21 6:18:38 PM
#84:


Skype posted...
Apparently, these guys were intruding into a multi-cultural space in order to get a reaction out of people like the camera person. Is the camera person reactionary? Sure, they're college kids.

But these dudes are actual losers who wanted to invade a harmless space where minorities could interact.

"Police matters" is not a culture and these guys got the reaction they fished for.
no they can can have a pro police sticker if they want to. get real

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Skype
09/24/21 6:37:11 PM
#85:


AlphaCuck posted...
no they can can have a pro police sticker if they want to. get real

So which one of these dudes were you?

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3PiesAndAFork
09/24/21 6:38:36 PM
#86:


What_ posted...
This is hilarious considering the tag I have for TC


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NeoShadowhen
09/24/21 7:02:12 PM
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AlphaCuck posted...
no they can can have a pro police sticker if they want to. get real

Yeah they can. But it definitely seems like they were trying to be dicks.
The person chewing them out was a weirdo too. No such thing as white culture? Thats feeding right in to the whole white is the norm thing. Completely naive.

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AlphaCuck
09/24/21 7:21:06 PM
#88:


NeoShadowhen posted...
Yeah they can. But it definitely seems like they were trying to be dicks.
The person chewing them out was a weirdo too. No such thing as white culture? Thats feeding right in to the whole white is the norm thing. Completely naive.
they were just sitting there

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NeoShadowhen
09/24/21 7:29:41 PM
#90:


Goatesque posted...
These guys are obvious shit stirrers, what's the drama itt about?

Really, only a very small portion of this topic has been about that video. Its mostly been trying to clear up peoples misconceptions about the concept of being anti-racist. Regrettably a lot of people still arent getting it. On both sides.
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Background_Guy
09/24/21 7:33:24 PM
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If you're not anti-racist, then you're either pro-racist and neutral to racism. Those both seem bad.
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Trumble
09/24/21 7:34:40 PM
#92:


Background_Guy posted...
If you're not anti-racist, then you're either pro-racist and neutral to racism. Those both seem bad.
But it's fine to be "neutral" when it comes to negative things as long as they're not the current hot topic issue, right?

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sktgamer_13dude
09/24/21 7:49:59 PM
#93:


Trumble posted...

But it's fine to be "neutral" when it comes to negative things as long as they're not the current hot topic issue, right?

I forgot, people can only be outraged at one thing at a time. Forgot about that law being passed.
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CyricZ
09/24/21 7:56:27 PM
#94:


NeoShadowhen posted...
On both sides.
@Everyone!

He said the thing!

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Trumble
09/24/21 8:05:51 PM
#95:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
I forgot, people can only be outraged at one thing at a time. Forgot about that law being passed.
On the other hand, I'm pretty sure it's humanly impossible to be actively taking a stand against literally every negative thing in the world at the same time.

Given that what's being defined as "neutral" here would be better described as "not participating in, would probably call it out if personally encountering it, just not going out of their way to challenge it in wider society", what exactly determines when it's okay to be neutral and when one must be actively anti- something, beyond what's the current hot-button issue at any given time?

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Vicious_Dios
09/24/21 8:09:59 PM
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That clip can't be real.


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brotrrwinner
09/24/21 9:31:56 PM
#97:


Skype posted...
Apparently, these guys were intruding into a multi-cultural space in order to get a reaction out of people like the camera person. Is the camera person reactionary? Sure, they're college kids.

But these dudes are actual losers who wanted to invade a harmless space where minorities could interact.

"Police matters" is not a culture and these guys got the reaction they fished for.

I'm sorry, doesn't "multi-cultural" include white people? Or are you in favor of segregating spaces according to race? As far as I can tell, they were just trying to study until someone started harassing them

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Trumble
09/24/21 9:34:08 PM
#98:


brotrrwinner posted...
I'm sorry, doesn't "multi-cultural" include white people?
"Multi-cultural" is often a dogwhistle for "no whites allowed" in this sort of context; this isn't new.

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IfGodCouldDie
09/24/21 9:34:36 PM
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Lathissamus posted...
Is a racist going to have a moment of clarity because someone they already don't like is telling them to stop?
It is not about the people they don't like telling them to stop. Its about the people that look like them telling them to stop.

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sevihaimerej
09/24/21 9:53:42 PM
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IfGodCouldDie posted...
It is not about the people they don't like telling them to stop. Its about the people that look like them telling them to stop.
At this point I don't think that alone would persuade them. You would have to find a conspiracy behind all the other conspiracies to inhibit these programmed racist behaviors. Like...if someone could hack Alex Jones and create the ultimate conspiracy to dissolve all other conspiracies. The key is that while an enemy is needed for this to work you can shrink the group of perceived enemies to an incredibly small, possibly fictional set of people living on the moon Phobos or something.

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