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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/22/21 2:13:22 PM
#51:


Oh hey! This is literally a mile and a half from my house. I've only ever been there once.

There is for sure some local backlash where people are talking about never going there again. The problem is the gas station is on a relatively busy highway and is also a gas station for tractor trailers so it gets huge outside of the area business.

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voldothegr8
09/22/21 2:14:23 PM
#53:


Sad_Face posted...
Indeed. I have a neighbor who decided to leave the house due to his abusive landlord and go back to the streets. He ended up trying to rob a bank (while on crutches) to land himself behind bars.

But that's beside the point. The lad here in the article didn't have the intention of going to jail to find a good night's sleep. I know the cashier didn't want the unpaid money to come out of his pocket but really the cashier could have stood to overlook this transgression.

Perhaps this wasn't the first time he shorted the store and they'd had enough. The vast majority of clerks or managers aren't going to bother with cops over a one time small shortage like that. Repeat offenders though, eventually the cops are getting involved.
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brestugo
09/22/21 2:16:35 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
If anything, this is a decent argument for including sales tax in the shelf price.
I have said this on this board for over a year now. Heard a lot of objections but none have made sense.

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Questionmarktarius
09/22/21 2:17:51 PM
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brestugo posted...
Heard a lot of objections but none have made sense.
Most of them distill down to "obfuscating the actual price is a good thing!".
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legendary_zell
09/22/21 2:22:45 PM
#57:


Unjust laws like this aren't worth the paper they're written on. Anyone who is enforcing this in any way is deciding to make the world worse. And the people defending it or making up scenarios to justify it here are the reasons these things happen.

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Kaiganeer
09/22/21 2:23:27 PM
#58:


don't do the crime if you can't do the time
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spikethedevil
09/22/21 2:24:04 PM
#59:


So glad we have the VAT on the shelf price over here.

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brestugo
09/22/21 2:26:16 PM
#60:


If I worked at that store, I'd have picked up the $0.43 myself.

And 3 strikes laws are a relic of the 1990s "tough on crime" approach. There's gotta be some kind of reform of these laws.

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darkprince45
09/22/21 2:31:13 PM
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A lot of businesses make the employees call the police per policy or be fired. I run into that a lot, I know everyone wants to get at the employees

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thronedfire2
09/22/21 2:31:46 PM
#62:


brestugo posted...
I have said this on this board for over a year now. Heard a lot of objections but none have made sense.

because adding tax on shelf prices will mess up businesses pricing strategies. Something thats $2.99 subconsciously feels like a better bargain than something thats $3. Thats why everything is $.99 or $.95 or whatever.

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VipaGTS
09/22/21 2:34:41 PM
#63:


Our entire system of justice is fucked. A non violent offender being held on $50k? Thats fuckin asinine. Its for profit and set up to keep him in there. Now of course Im not saying its just 43 centsfor a business if everyone did that it adds up, so they have to nip it no matter how trivial it seems, but once our government run institutions got involved (cops, court, etc) they handle it completely wrong.

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g980
09/22/21 2:51:26 PM
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VipaGTS posted...
Our entire system of justice is fucked. A non violent offender being held on $50k? Thats fuckin asinine. Its for profit and set up to keep him in there. Now of course Im not saying its just 43 centsfor a business if everyone did that it adds up, so they have to nip it no matter how trivial it seems, but once our government run institutions got involved (cops, court, etc) they handle it completely wrong.


Bail for profit? How do you think bail works?
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VipaGTS
09/22/21 2:51:58 PM
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g980 posted...
Bail for profit? How do you think bail works?

Prison, genius. They know he cant make bail.

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AwesomeFawful
09/22/21 2:53:45 PM
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This is why I don't like buying shit at gas stations. Fuck them.

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What_
09/22/21 2:55:10 PM
#67:


All the alt right trumpers itt masturbating in pleasure over this. Yikes
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Questionmarktarius
09/22/21 2:55:15 PM
#68:


VipaGTS posted...
Prison, genius. They know he cant make bail.
Bail only applies at the local-jail level, which hasn't quite gone privatized yet.
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Axiom
09/22/21 2:57:09 PM
#69:


When I was a cashier I always had at least a dollar in change under the register from people just leaving it. Imagine not using that for this

Fuck that store and the police
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NeoShadowhen
09/22/21 2:58:01 PM
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The circumstances bother me. Ive bought a lot of things at gas stations and never before have I just slapped some money down and walked out. Was there a clerk present? It seems like part of the story is missing.

This case isnt going anywhere. Well, I suppose it might if theres some spunky assistant DA that really really really wants to get chewed out by a judge in court. Might be somebody's kink. I dont judge.
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gatorsPENSbucs
09/22/21 2:59:50 PM
#71:


Theres gotta be more to this

Antifar posted...
Joseph Sobolewski was arrested on a felony charge under Pennsylvanias three strikes law for retail theft, according to court records, as he has two nonviolent theft convictions from many years earlier.

Oh ok, fair next

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Nemu
09/22/21 3:05:42 PM
#72:


I guess my sympathy would kinda depend on if the guy pulls shit like that a lot and that was just the final straw or if it was a one time thing. If it was just one time stupidity, kind of dumb for the store to pursue it, but fuck the guy if he habitually does stuff like that and finally got caught. Though the three strike system is stupid, I'm not going to cry about anyone who fairly gets hit with it.
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/22/21 3:06:08 PM
#73:


gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Theres gotta be more to this

Oh ok, fair next

He paid though. The reason it wasn't enough is because 2 for $3 DOES NOT MEAN 1 for $1.50 which is fucking stupid. He's in jail because of fine print on an ad.

Why did he have to slap money on the counter? Because that gas station can't get enough people working for it so there probably wasn't someone at the counter. I live by it.


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g980
09/22/21 3:06:08 PM
#74:


VipaGTS posted...


Prison, genius. They know he cant make bail.


A $1 bail or a $50,000 doesnt change whether they can sell him off to prison
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Tyranthraxus
09/22/21 3:07:40 PM
#75:


Nemu posted...
I guess my sympathy would kinda depend on if the guy pulls shit like that a lot and that was just the final straw or if it was a one time thing. If it was just one time stupidity, kind of dumb for the store to pursue it, but fuck the guy if he habitually does stuff like that and finally got caught. Though the three strike system is stupid, I'm not going to cry about anyone who fairly gets hit with it.
Nobody is fairly hit with it.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/22/21 3:13:24 PM
#76:


They even had it on the front page of our newspaper yesterday. (Local paper of where this happened)

https://i.imgur.com/6U7GQJO.jpg

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SuperShake666
09/22/21 3:14:37 PM
#77:


Anyone defending this charge is a bootlicking troglodyte.

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Blue_Inigo
09/22/21 3:15:39 PM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Theres gotta be more to this

Oh ok, fair next
Fuck no this is not fair next.

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Medussa
09/22/21 3:15:54 PM
#79:


i didn't know we even had a three-strikes law for anything other than violent felonies in this state. this is beyond fucked.

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Kingbuffet
09/22/21 3:15:56 PM
#80:


Our justice system is so broken

Its literally costing more money to incarcerate the man then find a fairer punishment for petty crime

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brestugo
09/22/21 3:17:15 PM
#81:


gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Theres gotta be more to this

Oh ok, fair next
I have an issue with this. Under their law in PA, anything, no matter how small - in this case $0.43 - would have been upgraded to a felony. They've literally manufactured a felony just to incarcerate someone.

I'm sure this has to do with the prison guard union. My state saw this and limited to a 3rd strike only that was de jure serious or violent to begin with.

3 strikes laws are welfare programs for prison guard unions and the prison industrial complex.

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Intro2Logic
09/22/21 3:18:28 PM
#82:


For the cost of prosecuting and incarceration this guy the state could make the store whole several hundred thousand times over.

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brestugo
09/22/21 3:19:23 PM
#83:


thronedfire2 posted...
because adding tax on shelf prices will mess up businesses pricing strategies. Something thats $2.99 subconsciously feels like a better bargain than something thats $3. Thats why everything is $.99 or $.95 or whatever.

Not going to derail the thread on this any further but most of the world manages just fine with the full price listed.

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Arcanine2009
09/22/21 3:22:02 PM
#84:


did the cashier not tell him he was short? or just did nothing and called the cops from being 40 something cents short? either way, unbelievable.

3 strikes law needs to go also

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monkmith
09/22/21 3:25:29 PM
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Arcanine2009 posted...
did the cashier not tell him he was short? or just did nothing and called the cops from being 40 something cents short? either way, unbelievable.

3 strikes law needs to go also
it reads like the cashier wasn't even at the register and the guy just left the money.

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Jaded_Dragon
09/22/21 3:27:54 PM
#86:


I'm sure this stint in prison will rehabilitate the homeless man and he won't immediately be back on the street upon release. /s

Also, I find it absurd that tax dollars will be going to keep this person in prison for 7 years over 43 cents. Doesn't seem like the best use of funds, but also, let's no lock people up for 7 years over petty theft.

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cardoor123
09/22/21 3:29:34 PM
#87:


Gotta love how everyone here is struggling with the concept of "2 for $3".... news flash if it was meant to be $1.50 for one item then the print will actually say $1.50. Please stop giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, he knows how this all works
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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/22/21 3:30:44 PM
#88:


Arcanine2009 posted...
did the cashier not tell him he was short? or just did nothing and called the cops from being 40 something cents short? either way, unbelievable.

3 strikes law needs to go also

I said a little bit earlier that they can't get/keep employees working there. They pay shit.

Odds are it's because no one was at the counter. I find it odd that if a dude wanted to steal a soda he would put down money at all.

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Flauros
09/22/21 3:31:25 PM
#89:


Jaded_Dragon posted...
I'm sure this stint in prison will rehabilitate the homeless man and he won't immediately be back on the street upon release. /s
Dont prisons offer education and career planning workshops now?

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CoorsLight
09/22/21 3:31:54 PM
#90:


cardoor123 posted...
Gotta love how everyone here is struggling with the concept of "2 for $3".... news flash if it was meant to be $1.50 for one item then the print will actually say $1.50. Please stop giving this guy the benefit of the doubt, he knows how this all works

1. These places often don't even show the price unless it's on a deal.
2. He tried to pay $2, not $1.50. It's not crazy to assume that's the regular price.
3. It's 43 cents.
4. Go fuck yourself
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Nemu
09/22/21 3:37:18 PM
#91:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
I said a little bit earlier that they can't get/keep employees working there. They pay shit.

Odds are it's because no one was at the counter. I find it odd that if a dude wanted to steal a soda he would put down money at all.
It could very easily be a recurring scam. Wait until the teller is super busy, leave less money than it costs, and then use that as an excuse if he gets caught. Not a ton of money, but could lead to big savings for someone who survives on change. Or could just be a dumb mistake as presented. Though the idea of taking merchandise without properly checking out is pretty suspect.
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brestugo
09/22/21 3:38:36 PM
#92:


WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...
I said a little bit earlier that they can't get/keep employees working there. They pay shit.

Odds are it's because no one was at the counter. I find it odd that if a dude wanted to steal a soda he would put down money at all.

+1

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cardoor123
09/22/21 3:38:37 PM
#93:


Machete posted...
Post 39: "a guy should go to prison for years so that people learn a lesson about reading fine print and sale-related math."

Absolutely disgusting post. That user should be extremely ashamed.
Yep, want to stop crime? Be extremely harsh with your punishments. See two guys fighting inside of sporting event over some trivial thing? Put both of them in prison for a decade, no questions ask. Have illegal substances on you? Go to prison for a decade, no questions asked. Drunk driving even if you didn't hurt anyone? Prison for life. Kill anyone for any reason? Execute them, no questions asked.

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Medussa
09/22/21 3:39:28 PM
#94:


except the store is clearly willing the sell the damn thing for $1.50. the store didn't actually lose any money at all.

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monkmith
09/22/21 3:39:47 PM
#95:


cardoor123 posted...
Yep, want to stop crime? Be extremely harsh with your punishments. See two guys fighting inside of sporting event over some trivial thing? Put both of them in prison for a decade, no questions ask. Have illegal substances on you? Go to prison for a decade, no questions asked. Drunk driving even if you didn't hurt anyone? Prison for life. Kill anyone for any reason? Execute them, no questions asked.

The country is too damn soft when it comes down to crime, it's sickening.
alternatively, just shoot everyone that can identify you when you commit petty crimes since the outcome is going to be the same anyway.

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CoorsLight
09/22/21 3:49:29 PM
#96:


cardoor123 posted...
Yep, want to stop crime? Be extremely harsh with your punishments.

Great point, this is why we no longer have crime and nobody ever returns to prison


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Tyranthraxus
09/22/21 3:51:51 PM
#97:


monkmith posted...
alternatively, just shoot everyone that can identify you when you commit petty crimes since the outcome is going to be the same anyway.

Why stop there? Let's just go full 2000AD judge dredd.

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr
09/22/21 3:53:05 PM
#98:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Why stop there? Let's just go full 2000AD judge dredd.

I shoot jaywalkers. I yell out STOP CRIMINAL SCUM first.

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Tyranthraxus
09/22/21 3:55:17 PM
#99:


Lets combine judge dredd with minority report so judges just walk around killing people and claim they were going to commit a crime 3 weeks from now anyway. Society will be safe then.

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Taharqa_
09/22/21 3:55:21 PM
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Those people at the gas station are assholes.

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