Current Events > Man Daniel Craig says James Bond should not be played by a woman.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-woman-b1923858.html

Daniel Craig has said he does not believe that James Bond should be played by a woman.

The debate over representation and the future recasting of the spy character has rumbled on for years, with some fans suggesting a woman could take over the iconic role.

However, the idea has also sparked a backlash from critics who either say it would do the character a disservice, or that there are better ways of improving representation onscreen.

Speaking to Radio Times, Craig has now offered his own opinion, that there should simply be better parts for women and actors of colour.

He questioned: Why should a woman play James Bond when there should be a part just as good as James Bond, but for a woman?

Craig is the latest member of the Bond Universe who has spoken against a female playing the lead role.
In a 2020 interview with Variety, the franchises producer Barbara Broccoli said: James Bond can be of any colour, but he is male.

She explained this is because shed rather create new characters for women to portray, rather than have a woman play a role originally written as male.

I believe we should be creating new characters for women strong female characters, she continued. Im not particularly interested in taking a male character and having a woman play it. I think women are far more interesting than that.

In 2017, Halle Berry also told Entertainment Tonight that the series is steeped in history... you know, Ian Flemings stories. I dont think you can change Bond to a woman.

No Time To Die will see actor Lashana Lynch playing the first female 007.

However, speaking to The Guardian ahead of the films release earlier this month, Lynch denied speculation that she could take over as Bond in future instalments, saying: Nooo! You dont want me!

Asked who she thought it should be, Lynch replied: We are in a place in time where the industry is not just giving audiences what it thinks the audience wants. Theyre actually giving the audience what they want to give the audience.

With Bond, it could be a man or woman. They could be white, black, Asian, mixed race. They could be young or old. At the end of the day, even if a two-year-old was playing Bond, everyone would flock to the cinema to see what this two-year-olds gonna do, no?

Lynchs comments came amid widespread speculation over who will be the next James Bond, with Tom Hardy, Idris Elba and Tom Hiddleston among the frequently mentioned candidates.

No Time To Die is set to release on 30 September.

Bond, James Bond



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Speaking to Radio Times, Craig has now offered his own opinion, that there should simply be better parts for women and actors of colour.

agreed

100% behind Dan The Man and his reasoning.

Make new, rich characters in both background and development, and that will create new stars.

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He's kinda right.

"How about James Bond (who let's face it, is a shit character) with tits!?" isn't promoting women, it's being lazy.

Reminds me of like Batgirl and Supergirl and Spiderwoman.

Why not just make up a whole new good character right?

Bastila was't just Luke Skywalker with tits.

You can make a kickass movie about a spy or John Wick style chick who doesn't have to be Bond or Wick.

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If they've actually got some way to work that into the story - he's a spy agent who has all sorts of high tech shit, I can't see it being hard to find a way - then sure.

Simply "oh yeah story is as is but for no reason whatsoever this dude is now a chick" doesn't work though. Either work it into the story if practical, or else create a new character (who could absolutely still be in the same universe, including that a new movie could focus on them rather than James).

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I never got the idea of why they need to recreate things with a female lead or cast, wouldn't something brand new be more rewarding? I watched Atomic Blonde the other day which was pretty good and essentially a female Bond, wouldn't making a series out of that with a brand new character made for women be more progressive and anger less idiots?

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HagenEx posted...

100% behind Dan The Man and his reasoning.

Make new, rich characters in both background and development, and that will create new stars.

Good way to achieve representation:

you have Ironman, you add Shang chi and falcon

bad way to achieve representation:

you have captain America (evans) and James Bond (Craig), so you retire evans and give the role to the guy who used to be falcon and then retire Craig and give the 007 role to that woman from the upcoming movie

one adds, other substitutes


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I don't really understand wanting to co-opt existing franchises/characters in the first place. If the character cannot exist without being attached to an existing franchise, then it's probably just going to be shit regardless (Ghostbusters 2016 being a prime example). If they want to springboard a female spy Bond spinoff, that'd make a lot more sense. Just have the next Bond apprentice a female spy for two movies and then give her a movie of her own if she's popular.

Man thanks for including the last option

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

He's kinda right.

"How about James Bond (who let's face it, is a shit character) with tits!?" isn't promoting women, it's being lazy.

Reminds me of like Batgirl and Supergirl and Spiderwoman.

Why not just make up a whole new good character right?

Bastila was't just Luke Skywalker with tits.

You can make a kickass movie about a spy or John Wick style chick who doesn't have to be Bond or Wick.

Spider-Woman has nothing to do with Spider-Man

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LeperMessiahXX posted...

I never got the idea of why they need to recreate things with a female lead or cast, wouldn't something brand new be more rewarding? I watched Atomic Blonde the other day which was pretty good and essentially a female Bond, wouldn't making a series out of that with a brand new character made for women be more progressive and anger less idiots?

They're afraid that if they have to create something brand new, then nobody will want to see it

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Barb broccoli sounds like the name of a crazy hard-core vegan porn star.

Also I agree with him. Being a man is an integral part of James bonds character. Id love to see a female version of that become a long running successful franchise, but make it and market it well. Don't just tag it on to bond so you can have a one up in garnering interest, if anything that seems mildly prejudiced to me because its almost implying that a franchise with an original badass female spy character can't make it.

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RIP Man Daniel Craig

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LeperMessiahXX posted...

I never got the idea of why they need to recreate things with a female lead or cast, wouldn't something brand new be more rewarding? I watched Atomic Blonde the other day which was pretty good and essentially a female Bond, wouldn't making a series out of that with a brand new character made for women be more progressive and anger less idiots?

I think the problem is that it takes time for a new character to build a legacy. The ones we remember are the ones that stuck into the cultural memory for whatever reason, and predicting which ones that would happen to as they were being made was probably very difficult. People who are pushing for representation want iconic, legacy weighted characters now and changing up existing characters is a convenient shortcut. At the very least the character will get attention automatically. It's probably the case that there will be a significant delay between carrying about diversity in entertainment and actually having diverse characters people give a fuck about. And people don't want to wait a couple decades.

That, and the fuck ton of adaptations and remakes that go on these days.

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Now that he's said that, they're for sure gonna make it a woman. The successes of movies like Black Panther, Wonder Woman, Black Widow, Shang-Chi prove that original, diverse characters can be successful without resorting to "let's turn male character into a woman" or "let's turn white character into a black character". I think it does hinder the movement for diversity in media if the only idea you have for them is just race/gender swap and historically, most of that type of media ends up as a flop.

lol If they make James Bond a woman, I expect it to have the same results as ghostbuster 2016.

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I hate when execs try to change a bunch of shit to pander

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I totally get what he is saying for sure. It doesn't really benefit women to have a female James Bond (Jaime Bond?). Not saying it couldn't work but it feels like you are just changing it for representations sake. Do we need a female Sherlock Holmes? Female Dick Tracy?

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Now it will be, this guy will be saying SORRY soon

Hollywood will shut his ass up

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wackyteen posted...

They're afraid that if they have to create something brand new, then nobody will want to see it

which kinda alludes to the bankrupt creativity of hollywood.

"we wanna make women stand out but we lack the creativity to do anything about it!"

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Casino Royale (the book) could still work with R63 Bond and Vesper.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

He's kinda right.

"How about James Bond (who let's face it, is a shit character) with tits!?" isn't promoting women, it's being lazy.

Reminds me of like Batgirl and Supergirl and Spiderwoman.

Why not just make up a whole new good character right?

Bastila was't just Luke Skywalker with tits.

You can make a kickass movie about a spy or John Wick style chick who doesn't have to be Bond or Wick.

Are you referring to Spider-Woman as a rip-off of Spider-Man? Srsly? She shares nothing in common with him. Besides the name.
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The thing I never really got about bond flicks is why they can't spin off and have movies with other double Os. Like, its a whole fuckin department guys.

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I wouldn't choose to have a female Bond, but if there was one, I'd be interested to see if they can make it work.

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Based.

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silver_stoner posted...

lol If they make James Bond a woman, I expect it to have the same results as ghostbuster 2016.

It will be much worse, and it will be a box office bomb of epic proportions.

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A woman can be called Jane Bond

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVKJbMDwAjg

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I mean just make a new movie with a Woman Spy?

Theres already lots of movies like that though, just google "women spy movies".

Or make it a one-off called Jane Bond. It might be good.

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deoxxys posted...

I mean just make a new movie with a Woman Spy?

Theres already lots of movies like that though, just google "women spy movies".

Or make it a one-off called Jane Bond. It might be good.

The ones wanting the change don't care about adding a separate Woman Spy movie, they only want to take away a white male hero away from long time fans.

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Bass_X0 posted...

The ones wanting the change don't care about adding a separate Woman Spy movie, they only want to take away a white male hero away from long time fans.

https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/00_agents

That's a fundamental problem when you can easily create a 00# that isn't 007 that's a female spy or use an existing female 00 agent and expand on their stories.

https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Scarlett_Papava
Scarlett Papava is 004 in the novel Devil May Care.
You can literally write more spy adventures about 004 if you cared about expanding to a pre-existing female 00 agent.

https://jamesbond.fandom.com/wiki/Briony_Thorne
Briony Thorne is 0013 in the James Bondcomic strip, Fear Face
You can literally create more stories about her spy adventures as well.

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Only if hot lesbian jenny bond

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Bond, Jane Bond.

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Verdekal posted...

Bond, Jane Bond.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5d130Ew698

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Zombified_Toast posted...

The thing I never really got about bond flicks is why they can't spin off and have movies with other double Os. Like, its a whole fuckin department guys.

Fuck that is a really good point. I literally never thought of that. If they wanted to put the effort in they can roll out the post Craig era bond movie and a female 00 agent at the same time and build a whole cinematic universe type deal like marvel did.

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James Bond should be a transsexual woman that gets a black girlfriend and fucks her on screen.

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I agree with him

If you want a female 00(which they already have anyways), give them a better spot or a different movie. Not 007 though.

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RIP Man Daniel died in the room shot up to 97 women

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/09/22/sean-connerys-bond-rapist-says-new-007-director/

James Bond was a rapist, says new 007 director
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Bass_X0 posted...

The ones wanting the change don't care about adding a separate Woman Spy movie, they only want to take away a white male hero away from long time fans.

That always seems to be the narrative, but everyone I talk to who is against these feminization of established male led movies, happens to love movies like Terminator 1/2, Alien and other great original movies. They dont hate women, they just hate bad movies that have this forced rule 63 shtick. Gender flipping a character is only interesting when the genre actually is gender bender.

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everyone I talk to who is against these feminization of established male led movies, happens to love movies like Terminator 1/2, Alien and other great original movies.

Those started out as good movies with a good strong female character.

But there's no legitimacy or existing fanbase for completely new strong female characters, so hollywood is hijacking legitimate movies with male starring characters to turn female.

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If the franchise is confirmed to be a multiverse like Connery, Moore, Brosnan, and Craig are their own separate universes, then I can accept a new universe with a female James Bond.

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Bass_X0 posted...

But there's no legitimacy or existing fanbase for completely new strong female characters, so hollywood is hijacking legitimate movies with male starring characters to turn female.

I mean amazing Scifi movies are the ones that draw in a fanbase to begin with and sometimes it can take years for a fanbase to collect. I think theres plenty legitmacy for strong female characters, it just isnt a slamdunk hit. A recent one that was pretty good was Annihilation. And if we're honest the true star of Mad Max Fury Road was Furiosa. I prefer the Book but Hunger Games was another popular one.

Looking up a list, I need to get cracking on trying these films:

• The Invisible Man
• Arrival
• Gravity
• Shape of Water
• Birdbox

Come to think of it, what good modern sci-fi movies are there? (legitimately curious)

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Tldr

Why can't Moneypenny be the next bad ass agent

Bass_X0 posted...

Those started out as good movies with a good strong female character.

But there's no legitimacy or existing fanbase for completely new strong female characters, so hollywood is hijacking legitimate movies with male starring characters to turn female.

Imagine what kind of uproar there would be if somebody in Hollywood wanted to turn "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" into "Buddy the Vampire Slayer" and starred a "Male Chosen One" to kill vampires instead of the original female "Buffy Summers".

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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...

Tldr

Why can't Moneypenny be the next bad ass agent

She can be Agent 001

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But does Bond have any sisters?

And just happens to get a job with MI6.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

its almost implying that a franchise with an original badass female spy character can't make it.

It can, but it'd take work and time and Hollywood hates work and time. They want the money/accolades now!

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Ivynn posted...

It can, but it'd take work and time and Hollywood hates work and time. They want the money/accolades now!

Bingo!

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