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Winrawr
09/19/21 5:31:46 PM
#102:


One_Day_Remains posted...
I'm ultimately convinced about what Rebel said about RedJackson

He definitely displays some symptoms of schizophrenia

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RedJackson
09/19/21 5:32:27 PM
#103:


Lorthremar posted...
I'm in an airport killing time, and I'm not doing so by vomiting stupidity in front of everyone.

again I heavily recommend you stop posting, you're just embarrassing yourself. go outside, get a hobby. maybe read a book? I can give recommendations.



so uh,

Lorthremar posted...
the guy actively fills his time by trolling. he clearly doesn't have a lot going on lol

Did you wanna try the part where youre on here getting upset at GaneFAQS posts? Lol

One_Day_Remains posted...
I'm ultimately convinced about what Rebel said about RedJackson

He definitely displays some symptoms of schizophrenia

Im sorry you feel compelled to DUNK on GameFAQS users by demeaning the experience of people who actually suffer symptoms of Schizophrenia - not cool dude, it wasnt cool when Rebel had to shine a light on his own familys personal and private problems just to win some GameFAQS conversation either >_>

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Medussa
09/19/21 5:40:16 PM
#104:


in what fucking universe is trolling about 4.5 million dead people and counting anything less than an immediate and permanent removal?

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RedJackson
09/19/21 5:42:15 PM
#105:


Medussa posted...
in what fucking universe is trolling about 4.5 million dead people and counting anything less than an immediate and permanent removal?

I dunno, the universe where you get over yourself and a dying video game websight I guess

Just a hunch

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One_Day_Remains
09/19/21 5:45:49 PM
#106:


RedJackson posted...
Im sorry you feel compelled to DUNK on GameFAQS users by demeaning the experience of people who actually suffer symptoms of Schizophrenia - not cool dude, it wasnt cool when Rebel had to shine a light on his own familys personal and private problems just to win some GameFAQS conversation either >_>


I think it's really funny how hard you're trying to interpret that as a roast. I don't even think you fully believe that
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RedJackson
09/19/21 5:47:48 PM
#108:


One_Day_Remains posted...
I think it's really funny how hard you're trying to interpret that as a roast. I don't even think you fully believe that

How hard? Hmm.. nah, I think its exactly what it looks like lol theres not many ways to interpret that beyond the ridiculously obvious intent of that


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pinky0926
09/19/21 5:48:14 PM
#109:


Why derail a topic like this for attention though

How small do you have to be

Sad because the original point was a good one

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One_Day_Remains
09/19/21 5:50:50 PM
#110:


RedJackson posted...


How hard? Hmm.. nah, I think its exactly what it looks like lol theres not many ways to interpret that beyond the ridiculously obvious intent of that



Saying "my sibling has X" isn't a roast. The reality is it's your fault for interpreting it that way. You immediately assumed they were a lesser person for having X, like it's something that needs to be permanently hidden
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RedJackson
09/19/21 5:52:30 PM
#111:


pinky0926 posted...
Why derail a topic like this for attention though

How small do you have to be

Sad because the original point was a good one

I dont think I derailed anything, I made a post - yall got upset, posted things that were obviously untrue or unfounded, and I responded

Not admitting youre complicit in what you dub as malicious derailing is kind of a sign that there really isnt much to take away from yalls words on a serious level. You have good concern, thats about it - acting like a jackass with those concerns is what led us down this road millions of posts later though

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RedJackson
09/19/21 5:53:52 PM
#112:


One_Day_Remains posted...
Saying "my sibling has X" isn't a roast. The reality is it's your fault for interpreting it that way. You immediately assumed they were a lesser person for having X, like it's something that needs to be permanently hidden

Nice try, thats what they call the reversal to the reversal, but only you and those upset in this topic agree with that - I didnt have any malicious intent in trying to state the complete obvious that you try to use legitimate illness as an insult

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OrangeWizard
09/19/21 5:55:23 PM
#113:


DarkRoast posted...
there's a RIDICULOUS nursing shortage that keeps getting worse


Why is there a nursing shortage?
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One_Day_Remains
09/19/21 5:55:44 PM
#114:


"Only me and those upset in the topic"

As opposed to all zero people that are on your side. You should actually go back to your first post and count the amount of people clowning you right now. It's not a small number.
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MrToothHasYou
09/19/21 5:56:44 PM
#115:


shockthemonkey posted...
What if everyone stops giving the obvious troll attention


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DezDroppedFreak
09/19/21 5:57:14 PM
#116:


RedJackson posted...
I dont think I derailed anything, I made a post - yall got upset, posted things that were obviously untrue or unfounded, and I responded

Not admitting youre complicit in what you dub as malicious derailing is kind of a sign that there really isnt much to take away from yalls words on a serious level. You have good concern, thats about it - acting like a jackass with those concerns is what led us down this road millions of posts later though
You made a stupid post that added nothing and got told you made a stupid post

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Valjackal
09/19/21 5:58:27 PM
#117:


OrangeWizard posted...
Why is there a nursing shortage?

Burnout, mostly. They've been at this shit for a year and a half. Some are leaving careers they've had for years for other hospitals, or to be travelers. Some are leaving healthcare altogether. This latest completely preventable surge is the straw that broke the camel's back.

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Funkydog
09/19/21 5:59:49 PM
#119:


OrangeWizard posted...
Why is there a nursing shortage?
It depends on the country.

In the UK it's a product of cutting funding to nursing training, tiny pay rises in recent years even before the pandemic, intentionally poor handling of the NHS, being burnt out from overwork/stress/dealing with anti vaxxers and Brexit.

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OrangeWizard
09/19/21 6:03:02 PM
#120:


Valjackal posted...
Burnout, mostly. They've been at this shit for a year and a half. Some are leaving careers they've had for years for other hospitals, or to be travelers. Some are leaving healthcare altogether. This latest completely preventable surge is the straw that broke the camel's back.


If they're leaving to travel or leaving healthcare, okay.

But why would they just go to another hospital if they're burned out? Wouldn't they have to deal with the same type of stuff?
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Valjackal
09/19/21 6:04:39 PM
#122:


OrangeWizard posted...
If they're leaving to travel or leaving healthcare, okay.

But why would they just go to another hospital if they're burned out? Wouldn't they have to deal with the same type of stuff?

Depends on how disgruntled they are with their current leadership. Compared to the other major hospital down the road from us, our administration has been pretty trash with regards to taking care of their employees.

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RedJackson
09/19/21 6:07:41 PM
#123:


One_Day_Remains posted...
"Only me and those upset in the topic"

As opposed to all zero people that are on your side. You should actually go back to your first post and count the amount of people clowning you right now. It's not a small number.

I dont make calculative posts to get people on my side nor do I pride myself in the fact someone agrees with me lol

Thats just stupid and crazy, I say what I say at the time of saying it and in this case I pointed out something else TC can latch onto other than feeding more misery back into them

DezDroppedFreak posted...
You made a stupid post that added nothing and got told you made a stupid post

That seems clear to the point it almost seems like yall were arguing with yourselves about it - I just entertained it cause I knew itd be easy enough for yall to go ahead and do that after I realized how much my post really upset others. The fact that a wave of 'BWAHHH BWAHHHH' tried to overwhelm one person and failed to do so is enough of a victory for me.

This is my last post in this topic though, so feel happy

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_BlueMonk
09/19/21 6:08:51 PM
#124:


But

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spikethedevil
09/19/21 6:16:15 PM
#125:


Lol at the mod doing nothing about the trolling.

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b_nolan
09/19/21 6:16:50 PM
#126:


Its Redjackson, he has nothing else going on in his life

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OrangeWizard
09/19/21 6:23:52 PM
#127:


Woozul posted...


traveling as in traveling nursing

the pay is a lot more so its more worth it if you're going to have to risk your life for work


Oh, neat.

Valjackal posted...
Depends on how disgruntled they are with their current leadership. Compared to the other major hospital down the road from us, our administration has been pretty trash with regards to taking care of their employees.


So it seems that there are deeper problems, and that blaming it on "the unvaccinated" is a distraction. The more you blame it on them, the less you blame it on the hospital administration, which makes the administration happy.

Why are hospitals allowed to get away with bad management that creates disgruntled employees? Isn't this costing lives? Isn't keeping hospitals from collapsing one of the top priorities, and one of the main reasons behind masks, distancing, quarantines, etc? At what point should (or ought) someone step in?
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Valjackal
09/19/21 6:32:50 PM
#128:


OrangeWizard posted...
Oh, neat.

So it seems that there are deeper problems, and that blaming it on "the unvaccinated" is a distraction. The more you blame it on them, the less you blame it on the hospital administration, which makes the administration happy.

Why are hospitals allowed to get away with bad management that creates disgruntled employees? Isn't this costing lives? At what point should (or ought) someone step in?

It doesn't have to be one or the other. I'm speaking from the perspective of one hospital system out of hundreds. Decent hospital management doesn't take away from the fact that as a while, healthcare professionals are burnt out. When an influx of patients come in with blatant disregard for a worldwide health pandemic, they absolutely can and will get the blame. Opinions on leadership are subjective. This surge of unvaccinated people taking resources is not.

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Valjackal
09/19/21 6:40:58 PM
#129:


spikethedevil posted...
Lol at the mod doing nothing about the trolling.

Lol at you only entering this topic to bitch about me wanting to discuss a topic instead of spot moderating to please you. I haven't been in the queue all day, and I make it a habit to not moderate topics I'm involved in to avoid bias on my end.

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Jabodie
09/19/21 6:46:08 PM
#130:


Serious question: does anybody know how long it would take for COVID to burn through (for lack of a better word) the unvaccinated population at current trends? Assuming no variants from that undermine the vaccine in a major way. Idk if this is just slow enough to last a long time, but still fast enough to screw the medical system.

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OrangeWizard
09/19/21 6:46:12 PM
#131:


Valjackal posted...
It doesn't have to be one or the other.


It doesn't have to, but that seems to be how public opinion sees it. For instance, I've only heard "the unvaccinated are to blame!"
The media and public opinion work on black-and-white thinking.

Valjackal posted...
When an influx of patients come in with blatant disregard for a worldwide health pandemic, they absolutely can and will get the blame. Opinions on leadership are subjective. This surge of unvaccinated people taking resources is not.


That still doesn't seem right to me.

We've all seen that comic featuring a fat-cat character scooping away bags full of money, handing a dollar to a blue-collar worker, and then pointing to the immigrant and saying "He's trying to take your dollar!" in order to pit one against the other. This seems kind of like that.

Or it's like companies who contribute the vast majority of pollutants saying "bike to work instead of driving!" while they damage the earth more each year than you ever could in your lifetime.

If there were 100 units of 'resource', but mismanagement costs 90 of those units, and the unvaccinated take another 9, while the vaccinated normally take 2, sure, you can accurately blame the unvaccinated for taking more of their fair share. But everyone would have enough if it weren't for mismanagement. That, to me, seems like the true problem, and blaming the unvaccinated seems silly.
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Shezarr
09/19/21 6:46:41 PM
#132:


Valjackal posted...
Lol at you only entering this topic to bitch about me wanting to discuss a topic instead of spot moderating to please you. I haven't been in the queue all day, and I make it a habit to not moderate topics I'm involved in to avoid bias on my end.
"I ignore blatantly moddable content if it's in a topic I'm posting in" sounds like a great policy! Brilliant.

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Ps2Twilight
09/19/21 6:46:47 PM
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Valjackal
09/19/21 6:49:22 PM
#134:


Shezarr posted...
"I ignore blatantly moddable content if it's in a topic I'm posting in" sounds like a great policy! Brilliant.

Oh, you mean the accusation of derailing? Kind of like what you're doing right now? Your opinion means less than nothing to me. Fuck off.

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Machete
09/19/21 6:49:58 PM
#135:


Redjackson's account seems to have been set to suspended somehow......
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Shezarr
09/19/21 6:50:43 PM
#136:


Valjackal posted...
Oh, you mean the accusation of derailing? Kind of like what you're doing right now? Your opinion means less than nothing to me. Fuck off.
Lmao someone's in a mood today

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Shezarr
09/19/21 6:51:21 PM
#137:


Machete posted...
Redjackson's account seems to have been set to suspended somehow......
He was overdue for his trimonthly suspension

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Machete
09/19/21 6:54:43 PM
#139:


Shezarr posted...

He was overdue for his trimonthly suspension


He certainly was. He seemed to have really amped up his trolling since he had like 3 accounts suspended at once. I don't recall the names of the other ones but if he can post on them at this point, there are likely to be more meltdowns incoming.
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OrangeWizard
09/19/21 6:55:17 PM
#140:


shockthemonkey posted...
What a fucking stupid load of shit


I'm here for discussion, so I would appreciate hearing why you disagree with me.
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Valjackal
09/19/21 6:55:31 PM
#141:


OrangeWizard posted...
It doesn't have to, but that seems to be how public opinion sees it. For instance, I've only heard "the unvaccinated are to blame!"
The media and public opinion work on black-and-white thinking.

That still doesn't seem right to me.

We've all seen that comic featuring a fat-cat character scooping away bags full of money, handing a dollar to a blue-collar worker, and then pointing to the immigrant and saying "He's trying to take your dollar!" in order to pit one against the other. This seems kind of like that.

Or it's like companies who contribute the vast majority of pollutants saying "bike to work instead of driving!" while they damage the earth more each year than you ever could in your lifetime.

If there were 100 units of 'resource', but mismanagement costs 90 of those units, and the unvaccinated take another 9, while the vaccinated normally take 2, sure, you can accurately blame the unvaccinated for taking more of their fair share. But everyone would have enough if it weren't for mismanagement. That, to me, seems like the true problem, and blaming the unvaccinated seems silly.

Because the fact of the matter is, people are burnt out over COVID. Hospital management may play a role, but in the grand scheme of things it's not really relevant to the current conversation. All businesses have problems. It's a problem that existed before the pandemic and will exist long after. People are blaming the unvaccinated because there was a campfire that exploded into a forest fire. All that needed to happen was for everyone to put their fires out.

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DezDroppedFreak
09/19/21 6:55:48 PM
#142:


OrangeWizard posted...
I'm here for discussion, so I would appreciate hearing why you disagree with me.
Well for starters what are you basing your numbers on for your example

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Machete
09/19/21 6:56:54 PM
#143:


shockthemonkey posted...

What a fucking stupid load of shit


Nah, as an expert on resource, I can confirm that 100 units of resource is accurate and insightful.
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hockeybub89
09/19/21 6:57:52 PM
#144:


Don't be too hard on anti-vaxxers, guys. Calling them stupid is a NWD

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spikethedevil
09/19/21 7:09:48 PM
#147:


hockeybub89 posted...
Don't be too hard on anti-vaxxers, guys. Calling them stupid is a NWD

And yet the trolling in this topic is fine apparently.

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OrangeWizard
09/19/21 7:19:19 PM
#148:


DezDroppedFreak posted...

Well for starters what are you basing your numbers on for your example


Nothing. It's a simple thought experiment of a hospital that's over capacity. It assumes that mismanagement takes away more resources than the unvaccinated does, and that the unvaccinated take away more resources than the vaccinated do. Do you disagree with these assumptions?

Valjackal posted...
Because the fact of the matter is, people are burnt out over COVID.


You yourself said that "This latest completely preventable surge is the straw that broke the camel's back."

To me, the expression "straw that broke the camel's back", means that the "last straw" is relatively insignificant compared to the mountain of stuff underneath it. When I picture a "straw", I picture a single stalk of wheat.

So to blame the breaking of the camel's back on a single stalk of wheat is ridiculous. It should be blamed on the total weight of all the objects.

I don't think it's accurate to say that people are burnt out over COVID. They are burnt out over the sum total of the burden on them. COVID is, as you said, a "straw" that just happened to be placed on top.

Valjackal posted...
People are blaming the unvaccinated because there was a campfire that exploded into a forest fire. All that needed to happen was for everyone to put their fires out.


To use a fire analogy, firefighters do preventative controlled burns in order to clear away the accumulated dead growth that can make fires, when they do happen, more severe. If they neglect this task, then they share some of the blame when things get out of hand.

You yourself also said "It doesn't have to be one or the other", so why, now, are you insisting that the blame cannot be distributed?
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Makeveli_lives
09/19/21 7:21:27 PM
#149:


Bleuets posted...
$1,000 per person who gets vaccinated. Problem solved overnight. If they were smart theyd do this. But they wont, they never do.
Nah fuck that. Make their insurance invalid if they ain't vaccinated

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DezDroppedFreak
09/19/21 7:34:00 PM
#150:


OrangeWizard posted...
Nothing. It's a simple thought experiment of a hospital that's over capacity. It assumes that mismanagement takes away more resources than the unvaccinated does, and that the unvaccinated take away more resources than the vaccinated do. Do you disagree with these assumptions?

And your assumption for 90% of resources being taken up from mismanagement and the unvaccinated is an insignificant portion is based on, what, exactly?

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Funkydog
09/19/21 7:35:49 PM
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Please don't engage the sea lion people.

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