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BalanceLost
09/17/21 4:43:04 PM
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Sweden.

A now 17-year old girl, who is active in the Conservative youth wing, internally reported the MP after he allegedly wanted her to send nudes on Snapchat when she was 15 or 16 and trying to have sex with her while they were alone together. Age of consent in Sweden is 15 but asking for nudes of someone under 18 is child pornography and trying to have sex with someone under 18 if youre in a position of power over them is also illegal. The girl has now officially made a police report since the Conservative party hasnt done enough to handle the situation. So the MP has now taken a time-out. The party leaderships inaction is now causing internal strife in the party as well (those who defend the MP and those who denounce him).

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UnfairRepresent
09/17/21 4:44:35 PM
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BalanceLost posted...
Age of consent in Sweden is 15 but asking for nudes of someone under 18 is child pornography and trying to have sex with someone under 18 if youre in a position of power over them is also illegal.
why not just make the age of consent 18?

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BalanceLost
09/17/21 4:50:30 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
why not just make the age of consent 18?
We have a very low teen pregnancy AND abortion rate compared to other Western nations. Allowing teenagers to have sex, instead of shaming it or making it illegal, has lead to a greater use of protection and birth control.

A teacher or similar should not be able to take advantage of a teenager though. Hence the way our law is constructed.

https://lakartidningen.se/wp-content/uploads/OldPdfFiles/2003/26814.pdf

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Grischnak
09/17/21 5:03:05 PM
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BalanceLost posted...
Sweden.

A now 17-year old girl, who is active in the Conservative youth wing, internally reported the MP after he allegedly wanted her to send nudes on Snapchat when she was 15 or 16 and trying to have sex with her while they were alone together. Age of consent in Sweden is 15 but asking for nudes of someone under 18 is child pornography and trying to have sex with someone under 18 if youre in a position of power over them is also illegal. The girl has now officially made a police report since the Conservative party hasnt done enough to handle the situation. So the MP has now taken a time-out. The party leaderships inaction is now causing internal strife in the party as well (those who defend the MP and those who denounce him).

Huh? So it's ok to have sex with 15 year olds but it's illegal for them to send nudes? That's a weird stance.
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BalanceLost
09/17/21 5:12:24 PM
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Grischnak posted...
Huh? So it's ok to have sex with 15 year olds but it's illegal for them to send nudes? That's a weird stance.
Choosing to have sex is a personal decision which remains local. Nudes can be saved and spread. One reason, I think, is to make our internet laws more compatible with other nations - make it easier to target pedo rings.

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BalanceLost
09/17/21 5:23:19 PM
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The main point is that a sleazy man tried to take advantage of a girl he had influence over as an important member of her party. He chose to get close to her physically. If you have been a member of the assembly which write our laws for 11 years, Id say it is extra-expected that you follow the laws.

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DeadBankerDream
09/17/21 5:25:16 PM
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Grischnak posted...
Huh? So it's ok to have sex with 15 year olds but it's illegal for them to send nudes? That's a weird stance.
It's actually a logical stance that makes full sense without further explanation.

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Grischnak
09/17/21 5:40:34 PM
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BalanceLost posted...
Choosing to have sex is a personal decision which remains local. Nudes can be saved and spread. One reason, I think, is to make our internet laws more compatible with other nations - make it easier to target pedo rings.

I get what you're saying but I don't buy it. If you think a person is old enough to consent to having sex, then that same person should be old enough to consent to sending nudes. They should just raise the age of consent. Don't know why they'd have it at 15 in the first place.
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UnfairRepresent
09/17/21 6:33:23 PM
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Reminds me of American Beauty where the chick who appears topless in it, wasn't legally allowed to watch the movie she appeared naked in

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BalanceLost
09/18/21 2:24:27 AM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Things have been going pretty shitty for the Conservative party lately, huh?
I think you might be partially thinking of the Norwegian Conservatives who earlier this week lost power (a proper whopping) in their election? :)

Our Conservative party leader, Ulf Kristersson, sucks so much though. There is a Right-leaning majority in Riksdagen (parliament) yet the MPs chose a Left-wing Prime-Minister since Kristersson is a proper hack.

Grischnak posted...
I get what you're saying but I don't buy it. If you think a person is old enough to consent to having sex, then that same person should be old enough to consent to sending nudes. They should just raise the age of consent. Don't know why they'd have it at 15 in the first place.
Regarding why age of consent is 15, it has as I mentioned earlier given us a low amount of teen pregnancies and a low number of teens who have an abortion since it creates a good environment for promoting safe sex. Teenagers will have sex, that is evident by pregnancy rates and abortion rates in other countries, so not making them hide their sex lives makes it possible to talk to them and to offer them help on the issue.

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UnfairRepresent
09/18/21 7:53:38 AM
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You keep saying that yet it's just claiming correlation equals causation

UK age of consent is 16, Japan is 12

Yet the numbers for pregnancy and abortion are way different

are you claiming if AOC was changed to 18 then there would be a flood of 15 year old pregnancies and abortions? because I find that hard to buy

you're undermining society, economy and drugs

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BalanceLost
09/18/21 9:37:54 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
You keep saying that yet it's just claiming correlation equals causation

UK age of consent is 16, Japan is 12

Yet the numbers for pregnancy and abortion are way different

are you claiming if AOC was changed to 18 then there would be a flood of 15 year old pregnancies and abortions? because I find that hard to buy

you're undermining society, economy and drugs
Can I ask why you think we should change our AOC though? Since we clearly have a working system which also matches our social beliefs regarding trust in teenagers regarding their sexuality.

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spikethedevil
09/18/21 9:40:04 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
why not just make the age of consent 18?

AOC in the UK is 16 and the same rules apply for the most part.

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UnfairRepresent
09/18/21 10:01:46 AM
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BalanceLost posted...
Can I ask why you think we should change our AOC though?
because a 47 year old man butt fucking a 15 year old girl that he groomed while society applauds is repulsive to me.

Girl isn't legally allowed to vote or drink or smoke because we deem her incapable of mature consent or understanding of adult logic, but aggressive sex fine?

Hell this entire controversy being over snapchat photos and not the adult grooming a teenager for sex who he then fucked... that says it all to me

thats wrong

BalanceLost posted...
Since we clearly have a working system which also matches our social beliefs regarding trust in teenagers regarding their sexuality
"that's how we always did it so its fine"

Ever considered that it could be working even better?

You realize you don't "win" at culture right? it's a constant progression of trying to approve

And you ducked my question of whether any of the societal normalities would actually change if the AOC did. Because we both know you were just using correlation equals causation fallacy logic that you won't admit to.

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Kloe_Rinz
09/18/21 10:06:42 AM
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Why isnt UR banned over his verbiage? What he posts is absolutely abhorrent
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spikethedevil
09/18/21 10:07:55 AM
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because a 47 year old man butt fucking a 15 year old girl that he groomed while society applauds is repulsive to me.

So you think if this happened everyone in Sweden would applaud? The fuck is wrong with you? Hell the AOC is 16 in many us states. Just because a 47 year old can have sex with a 15 year old doesnt mean people wouldnt think it wasnt fucked up.

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spikethedevil
09/18/21 10:09:39 AM
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Kloe_Rinz posted...
Why isnt UR banned over his verbiage? What he posts is absolutely abhorrent

Hes been put in purge before if you report him it literally comes down to if the mod cares or not.

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UnfairRepresent
09/18/21 10:10:10 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
because a 47 year old man butt fucking a 15 year old girl that he groomed while society applauds is repulsive to me.

So you think if this happened everyone in Sweden would applaud? The fuck is wrong with you? Hell the AOC is 16 in many us states. Just because a 47 year old can have sex with a 15 year old doesnt mean people wouldnt think it wasnt fucked up.
Fair enough, I added accept.

My point wasn't that everyone likes it, it was the concept that it was legal.

And i think the same for 16 year olds.

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UnfairRepresent
09/18/21 10:11:55 AM
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I think it says it all that you ask my why I want 18 as an age of consent and then I explain it, you get mad at me talking about men having sex with teenage girls because the subject offends you

it offends me too, that's why it should be illegal

And the fact you can't respond to my points is obvious

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spikethedevil
09/18/21 10:12:18 AM
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Adding accept doesnt make your post less fucked up. Just change the word applauds for accept in my post and you still didnt apologise for once again generalising an entire nation.

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spikethedevil
09/18/21 10:18:12 AM
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No were angry because you as always generalised an entire nation. Yes a 47 year old could have sex with a 15 year old in Sweden or 16 year old in the UK but society in general would think they were fucked up and ostracise them. And fucking lol where the fuck did I advocate for low AOC because of culture or any other reasons? Youve been modded for flat out lying about what people have said and misrepresenting them before.

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UnfairRepresent
09/18/21 10:24:22 AM
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I'm not apologising for saying a 47 year old man having sex with a 15 year old girl that he groomed is wrong and should be illegal

Calling for mods to delete the message just reveals that you can't counter it

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spikethedevil
09/18/21 10:25:24 AM
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No one is saying that it should be legal hell in this instance its illegal. And you know full well why we reported your message lol. Hell I wouldn't complain if the AOC was bumped up to 18 in the UK.

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UnfairRepresent
09/18/21 10:27:49 AM
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spikethedevil posted...
No one is saying that it should be legal hell in this instance
In any instance

it should be illegal

spikethedevil posted...
And you know full well why we reported your message lol.

I sure do

Hell I wouldn't complain if the AOC was bumped up to 18 in the UK.
I agree

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spikethedevil
09/18/21 10:28:56 AM
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Same for all the US states the AOC is 16 in as well. And stop flat out lying about what people have said when everyone can read the topic lol. And suspended for lying about what people have said.

Personally I am for the AOC being raised to 18 here in the UK but as I said we also have the position of trust thing as well as everyone would think a 50 year old going with a 16 year old is fucked up and tbh same could be said about a 50 and 18 year old.

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WeeWeiWiiWie
09/18/21 10:42:01 AM
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BalanceLost posted...
Age of consent in Sweden is 15 but asking for nudes of someone under 18 is child pornography

This is moronic lol.

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Grischnak
09/19/21 3:05:11 PM
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VioletMassacre posted...
This may sound logical at first, but after sending nudes you have lost all control and risk getting it spread everywhere.

So? If there is nothing wrong with having sex with someone then there should be nothing wrong with looking at nudes of them. I'll say that again: It's legal to have sex(unless you're their teacher or something) but asking for nude pictures is a super serious crime. ...The fuck? That's totally backwards. Some old dude having sex with a 15 year old is way more damaging to the kid then asking the kid for nudes. That's such nonsense. Both should illegal and having sex with a kid should be the more serious of the two crimes. Backwards ass laws.
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Ruvan22
09/20/21 5:41:25 PM
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Grischnak posted...
Yeah and they can used to threaten and explicit adults as well. So you think nudes should be illegal in general I guess? But having sex with kids is cool? Fuck man. Can't believe that multiple people are fucking telling me that having sex with kids isn't as bad as having nude pictures of the same kid. Why do I interact with you people? What a cesspool this board is.

Who here said having sex with kids was cool?
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spikethedevil
09/20/21 5:50:35 PM
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No where in that post does he advocate for sex with kids.

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spikethedevil
09/21/21 6:17:15 AM
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Wonder why he closed his account because he blocked me first off. Basically they both lied about what people were saying claiming they are ok with sex with kids and then after UR got suspended the other guy did the same thing when people were trying to explain the whole why sex is ok at the AOC but not sending nudes thing.

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JimmyFraska
09/21/21 10:46:07 AM
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Ruvan22 posted...
Who here said having sex with kids was cool?
The above users who support the degenerate law
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Kingbuffet
09/21/21 10:58:31 AM
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BalanceLost posted...
Snapchat when she was 15 or 16


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