Current Events > So is this stupid covid paranoia ever gonna go away?

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like how the hell.

Do people expect to continue living with restrictions forever or something? why cant we just accept the disease is endemic already and move on with our lives?

Oh it could go on forever

Setting up all this shit was expensive and we have adjusted

As soon as the hillbillies actually get the vaccine and stop eating horse dewormer instead or die off enough to negate their effect on spreading it.

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I just got my family on a low income internet bill monthly stipend, not saying i hope this lasts awhile but we save $50 every month this continues...we are prepared.

SuperShake666 posted...

stop eating horse dewormer

This is good advice, if I do say so myself.

I mean in a century it'll probably be gone because nearly everyone currently alive will be dead.

But nah, plenty of these folks will live the rest of their lives convinced they were right.

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SuperShake666 posted...

As soon as the hillbillies actually get the vaccine and stop eating horse dewormer instead or die off enough to negate their effect on spreading it.

You do realize the vaccine is not some miracle cure-it-all preventable tool, right?

People that are vaccinated are STILL getting infected. In fact the Pfizer dose which most people took only have a 40% effectiveness against the Delta variant.

And this virus will keep on evolving. So what the hell is the point? We're just expending $$$ after $$$ trying to fight a virus that'll keep evolving anyway.

want to go to a overfilled hospital and ask why "we can't just move on with our lives"

God you sound you ignorant....

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40% eh?

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Social distancing is a positive thing, either way

dont mind me

Mackorov posted...

You do realize the vaccine is not some miracle cure-it-all preventable tool, right?

People that are vaccinated are STILL getting infected. In fact the Pfizer dose which most people took only have a 40% effectiveness against the Delta variant.

And this virus will keep on evolving. So what the hell is the point? We're just expending $$$ after $$$ trying to fight a virus that'll keep evolving anyway.

Why do cars have all these safety features like seat belts, crumple zones, airbags etc. when people die in car accidents anyhow?

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Vaccines are effective.

Get the damn shot, wear your damn mask, wash your damn hands you fucking children.

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Mackorov posted...

In fact the Pfizer dose which most people took only have a 40% effectiveness against the Delta variant.

I'm gonna need a source on that one.

Mackorov posted...

And this virus will keep on evolving

It's evolving because anti-vaxx, anti-mask morons keep spreading it and giving it plenty of chances to mutate.

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ColdRainAndSnow posted...

want to go to a overfilled hospital and ask why "we can't just move on with our lives"

God you sound you ignorant....

The numbers will stabilize eventually after a peak.
Go look at India's case numbers for a grand example of this. Or yknow, USA itself.

And after this peak, the curve will flatten on its own. Yes, there'll still be a constant rate of people being sent to the ICU, but we can just adapt to accomodate those many people. Eventually the virus will kill itself out and become less of a threat

SuperShake666 posted...

I'm gonna need a source on that one.

It's evolving because anti-vaxx, anti-mask morons keep spreading it and giving it plenty of chances to mutate.

Oh my god can you not like... google?? It's literally all over the news??
FYI I'm not anti-vaxx I already got all my shots. But even any rational person can see this covid problem is becoming ridiciulous

Basically the situation in Australia

Mackorov posted...

Oh my god can you not like... google?? It's literally all over the news??

You're the one touting it as fact. Cite your sources.

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This will never end. The powers that be have raging control boners that are finally being satisfied like they want


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AldousIsDead posted...

Vaccines are effective.

Get the damn shot, wear your damn mask, wash your damn hands you fucking children.

Israel had the highest vaccinated status proportion in the country and they STILL ended up with an enormous covid-19 infection spike.

Why? Because the vaccine's effectiveness dropped over time and most of the citizens were using Pfizer, not Moderna (which has a much higher effectiveness against Delta).

why try to save lives when they aren't anyone tc knows?

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SuperShake666 posted...

You're the one touting it as fact. Cite your sources.

I'm literally just googling the FIRST FEW search results here dude. Seriously do you even read t he news

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02261-8
The results, published in a preprint on 19 August1, suggest that both vaccines are effective against Delta after two doses, but that the protection they offer wanes with time.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03777-9
The journal Nature reflected the findings that a single shot of a two-dose vaccine such as Pfizer-BioNTech or AstraZeneca provided barely any protection.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html
Pfizer and BioNTechs Covid-19 vaccine is just 39% effective in Israel where the delta variant is the dominant strain, but still provides strong protection against severe illness and hospitalization, according to a new report from the countrys Health Ministry.

Even mainstream media cant spin a positive turn about vaccines on this. Period, the more the virus evolves the less your outdated vaccine that's already waning over time works

Its something we cant ignore.

Mackorov posted...

Israel had the highest vaccinated status proportion in the country and they STILL ended up with an enormous covid-19 infection spike.

Why? Because the vaccine's effectiveness dropped over time and most of the citizens were using Pfizer, not Moderna (which has a much higher effectiveness against Delta).

Israel is 61% vaccinated. Guess who's in the hospital?

Get the vaccine.

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Fluttershy posted...

why try to save lives when they aren't anyone tc knows?

You cant save everybody. A child in Africa is dying every 5 minutes and no one cares. A person is dying from cancer right now no one cares. Someone probably just got hit by a car right now. No one cares.

So why the hell do you care so much people are also dying from a virus that should very well be treated as endemic by now?

yes but you don't seem to understand that it's the people pushing back against all of it that are making it take longer and giving it platform to mutate.

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AldousIsDead posted...

Israel is 61% vaccinated. Guess who's in the hospital?

Get the vaccine.

Singapore is 80%+ vaccinated and now experiencing a huge covid-19 surge.

You were saying?

Fluttershy posted...

yes but you don't seem to understand that it's the people pushing back against all of it that are making it take longer and giving it platform to mutate.

Yes just submit to medical tyranny. Then everything will go back to normal.

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It's going on longer than expected BECAUSE of people who don't want to follow instructions and stay indoors/wear masks/get the damn vaccine.

Next time you get mad at the pandemic shit lasting this long, blame those fucking people.

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Mackorov posted...

Singapore is 80%+ vaccinated and now experiencing a huge covid-19 surge.

You were saying?

Singapores epidemic situation is still extremely favourable, said NUS vice dean Cook, citing the 55 deaths and six in the ICU as of Monday. While we would expect this number to rise in the days ahead, the severe cases the city state has been having are overwhelmingly among the minority of the population who declined to be vaccinated.

Get the fucking shot.

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You cant save everybody.

that isn't an excuse to just give up on saving anyone.

and no one cares

also, no, the people going through it care. the families of those going through it care. decent human beings care.

Yes just submit to medical tyranny.

it's really sad that there are so many gullible people out there saying things like this.

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BakonBitz posted...

It's going on longer than expected BECAUSE of people who don't want to follow instructions and stay indoors/wear masks/get the damn vaccine.

Next time you get mad at the pandemic shit lasting this long, blame those fucking people.

I totally support people getting the vaccine, and I myself am fully vaccinated. But the truth is that regardless vaccine or not, the virus is HERE to stay.

A country can get 100% vaccination for all I know and still experience a huge infection spike yet again. Because

1. the vaccine wanes over time
2. the virus will keep on mutating
3. old people will always still be somewhat susceptible
4. it's impossible to get everyone vaccinated regardless

Like...what are you expecting here? The virus to suddenly disappear if everyone gets vacc'ed?

Also you do realize many many other countries are failing to get their populations vacc'ed and at this point probably don't care? Do we just keep all our international borders closed up forever then?

How many of those causes of death you listed are contagious? Don't be disingenuous like that, no one likes that.

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ColdRainAndSnow posted...

How many of those causes of death you listed are contagious? Don't be disingenuous like that, no one likes that.

Does it matter contagious or not if the chances of you ultimately dying from whichever event is the same?

Fluttershy posted...

You cant save everybody.

that isn't an excuse to just give up on saving anyone.

and no one cares

also, no, the people going through it care. the families of those going through it care. decent human beings care.

Yes just submit to medical tyranny.

it's really sad that there are so many gullible people out there saying things like this.

Look at Australia. Basically permanent lockdown. Almost no cases. People getting pulled over for not wearing a mask in the car while driving by themselves. Yup totally not tyranny. Definitely for public health. Yup.

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We're dealing with a highly contagious and deadly virus, probably more deadly than the flu. I don't know what measures we have to take to minimize its range, but telling people to just let go and let it happen sounds a lot like survival of the fittest to me.

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A country can get 100% vaccination for all I know and still experience a huge infection spike yet again.

you can't really protect people from a might-happen event in some undefined future. you can protect people from something that is concurrent.

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Dreepapult posted...

Look at Australia. Basically permanent lockdown. Almost no cases. People getting pulled over for not wearing a mask in the car while driving by themselves. Yup totally not tyranny. Definitely for public health. Yup.

And still getting a covid wave right now.

Can take a good look at this to see a covid-zero strategy is utterly silly at this point. Even the Australia PM finally thinks it's time to eventually treat it as endemic

Look at Australia. Basically permanent lockdown. Almost no cases.

good. they're doing their part, and we should get our shit together and do the same.

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Fluttershy posted...

A country can get 100% vaccination for all I know and still experience a huge infection spike yet again.

you can't really protect people from a might-happen event in some undefined future. you can protect people from something that is concurrent.

at what cost?

to protect the 10% at the cost of the very livelihoods, mental well-being, economic damage to the 90% of society?

to how much government tax payer monies do we keep burning to provide free vaccines and prop up the economy for??

till the end of time when we finally burn down and realize what a dumb paranoia this has been?

Again, take a good hard look at the picture. This is the cycle that will keep repeating over and over and over and over and over and over again

So what do you want to happen instead? That we just carry on as normal and make zero attempt to minimize covid's spread?

What happens to all the people that probably would have survived covid, but died because there was no space in the hospitals? Just their time I guess, huh? It's a shame we couldn't have done anything to slow the spread and ensure there was still space in the hospit... oh wait!

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They're also experiencing massive increased rates of suicides and attempts from the lockdowns. Isolation, lack of income, etc
Fluttershy posted...

Look at Australia. Basically permanent lockdown. Almost no cases.

good. they're doing their part, and we should get our shit together and do the same.

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BakonBitz posted...

We're dealing with a highly contagious and deadly virus, probably more deadly than the flu. I don't know what measures we have to take to minimize its range, but telling people to just let go and let it happen sounds a lot like survival of the fittest to me.

It's just...ugh. I need to go to bed, I have work in the morning and I don't want to waste my time with this kind of argument.

Maybe in the US where peolpe havent been experiencing lockdowns, you wouldn't know.

But for those in Australia where lockdowns are happening over and over to no helpful extent, people are really experiencing the fatigue and seeing how pointless it all is. Covid-19 is here to stay like it or not

I bet it was nice to have everyone line up around the block for the polio vaccine back in the day. Hell, this country wore masks for the Spanish Flu without issue. We have shit only dreamt of in science fiction back then and half the country has mashed bananas for brains, fighting the miracles of modern science. Goddammit.

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at what cost?

4.5 million people have died from it so far globally. whatever stupid cost you're trying to argue for doesn't even come close to what people lose in human life.

Again, take a good hard look at the picture.

i am. 4.5 million deaths, and a virus being kept incubated by selfish and gullible losers.

They're also experiencing massive increased rates of suicides and attempts from the lockdowns. Isolation, lack of income, etc

you make the move that loses less human life, if you're in that position. end of story.

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NoxObscuras posted...

So what do you want to happen instead? That we just carry on as normal and make zero attempt to minimize covid's spread?

What happens to all the people that probably would have survived covid, but died because there was no space in the hospitals? Just their time I guess, huh? It's a shame we couldn't have done anything to slow the spread and ensure there was still space in the hospit... oh wait!

The end problem is only preventing ICUs from being overfilled with patients. So work on that. Expand the hospital spaces maybe? Accomodate more people?

You can see once cases stablize, so too, will the number of people being sent to ICU, even if the number is still high.

What happens to all the people that probably would have survived covid, but died because there was no space in the hospitals?

If they 'probably would have survived covid', then this high probability means they shouldnt be in the ICU in the first place

I don't understand why people can't take the shot and wear masks? Simple steps to basically live how you used to pre pandemic, yes you're wearing a mask now but around here life is basically near normal but with masks instead >_>

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SuperShake666 posted...

Hell, this country wore masks for the Spanish Flu without issue.

They had anti-mask idiots back then too.

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get the shot and wear a mask

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Fluttershy posted...

at what cost?

4.5 million people have died from it so far globally. whatever stupid cost you're trying to argue for doesn't even come close to what people lose in human life.

Again, take a good hard look at the picture.

i am. 4.5 million deaths, and a virus being kept incubated by selfish and gullible losers.

yeah so? tens of millions people die globally every year. I dont see you weeping for these strangers

The Australian tactic is to lock down and hold the fort as best we can until we hit high vaccination rates.

The Australian Government fucked up the vaccine rollout and are 6 months behind where they should be.

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Mackorov posted...

yeah so? tens of millions people die globally every year. I dont see you weeping for these strangers

And there's a nice cap for page 1. Get fucked, dude.

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