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Bass_X0 08/30/21 3:07:00 PM #1:	https://www.out.com/news/2021/8/30/teacher-allegedly-had-students-pledge-allegiance-pride-flag A schoolteacher in California has become the focus of conservative angst after she posted a video to social media which showed her telling students to pledge allegiance to a Progress Pride flag rather than the American flag, which she had earlier removed from the classroom because it made her uncomfortable. Kristin Pitzen, whose now-deleted LinkedIn profile noted she teaches 11th grade English at Back Bay High School in Costa Mesa, Orange County, posted the video to her since-deleted TikTok profile where she laughingly describes the incident. "I always tell my class stand if you feel like, dont stand if you feel like it, say the words if you want, dont say the words if they dont want to," Pitzen said in the video, referring to how student take part in the pledge of allegiance in her class. "So my class decided to stand but not say the words. Totally fine. Except for the fact, my room does not have a flag." "It used to be there," she said in the video, pointing to a corner of the whiteboard behind her. "But I took it down during COVID because it made me uncomfortable. And I packed it away, but I dont know where and I havent found it yet." But when the students said it was "kind of weird" to stand and say the pledge when there was no American flag in the room, Pitzen explained it was lost in storage at the moment and that she would do her best to find it. "'In the meantime,' I tell this kid, 'We do have this flag in the class that you can pledge your allegiance to.' And he looks around and goes, 'Oh, that one?'" at which point Pitzen panned the camera to show a Progress Pride flag hanging on a wall in the classroom. Pitzen had earlier posted a video to TikTok showing off the collection of Pride flags in her classroom, saying "I pledge allegiance to the queers." Conservative backlash was quick and fierce, with even out, former director of national intelligence Richard Grenell posting his disgust to Twitter. After questioning why parents would let their children be taught by "someone they dont know," he went on to write hed like to "talk to people who think this is good." Another person posted to Facebook, saying that Pitzen "is an absolute disgrace to teachers" and warned the teacher to keep her own "views and political stances out of the classroom." Herring concluded by saying if Pitzen was so "uncomfortable" that she has to "belittle children that are asking for the flag for the pledge of allegiance, then find another career that is not effecting [sic] our youth." The Newport-Mesa Unified School district later posted a statement to their Facebook page saying they were aware of the incident and that, "showing respect for our nations flag is an important value our district instills in our students and is an expectation of our employees. We take this matter seriously and are investigating and addressing it." Not all the comments were negative, however, and there was a good deal of support for Pitzen and her colorful Pride pledge of allegiance. "A free country does not compel its citizens to pledge allegiance," one person commented. "A non-free country does, though." --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:957581766] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>https://www.out.com/news/2021/8/30/teacher-allegedly-had-students-pledge-allegiance-pride-flag <quote>A schoolteacher in California has become the focus of conservative angst after she posted a video to social media which showed her telling students to pledge allegiance to a Progress Pride flag rather than the American flag, which she had earlier removed from the classroom because it made her uncomfortable. Kristin Pitzen, whose now-deleted LinkedIn profile noted she teaches 11th grade English at Back Bay High School in Costa Mesa, Orange County, posted the video to her since-deleted TikTok profile where she laughingly describes the incident. "I always tell my class stand if you feel like, dont stand if you feel like it, say the words if you want, dont say the words if they dont want to," Pitzen said in the video, referring to how student take part in the pledge of allegiance in her class. "So my class decided to stand but not say the words. Totally fine. Except for the fact, my room does not have a flag." "It used to be there," she said in the video, pointing to a corner of the whiteboard behind her. "But I took it down during COVID because it made me uncomfortable. And I packed it away, but I dont know where and I havent found it yet." But when the students said it was "kind of weird" to stand and say the pledge when there was no American flag in the room, Pitzen explained it was lost in storage at the moment and that she would do her best to find it. "'In the meantime,' I tell this kid, 'We do have this flag in the class that you can pledge your allegiance to.' And he looks around and goes, 'Oh, that one?'" at which point Pitzen panned the camera to show a Progress Pride flag hanging on a wall in the classroom. Pitzen had earlier posted a video to TikTok showing off the collection of Pride flags in her classroom, saying "I pledge allegiance to the queers." Conservative backlash was quick and fierce, with even out, former director of national intelligence Richard Grenell posting his disgust to Twitter. After questioning why parents would let their children be taught by "someone they dont know," he went on to write hed like to "talk to people who think this is good." Another person posted to Facebook, saying that Pitzen "is an absolute disgrace to teachers" and warned the teacher to keep her own "views and political stances out of the classroom." Herring concluded by saying if Pitzen was so "uncomfortable" that she has to "belittle children that are asking for the flag for the pledge of allegiance, then find another career that is not effecting [sic] our youth." The Newport-Mesa Unified School district later posted a statement to their Facebook page saying they were aware of the incident and that, "showing respect for our nations flag is an important value our district instills in our students and is an expectation of our employees. We take this matter seriously and are investigating and addressing it." Not all the comments were negative, however, and there was a good deal of support for Pitzen and her colorful Pride pledge of allegiance. "A free country does not compel its citizens to pledge allegiance," one person commented. "A non-free country does, though."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 08/30/21 3:09:34 PM #2:	I think she should have some sort of something happen. A warning note in her folder or something. And this isn't because of the flag she chose. It's forcing a student to pledge allegiance to ANY flag including the US one. The rule was always you don't have to say it if you don't want to. I thought that was kind of country wide but maybe not. It's fucking weird to swear an oath to a flag each morning. --- "No. I'm a man so theyll get me a full size McDouble." - DuncanWii https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:957581826] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>I think she should have some sort of something happen. A warning note in her folder or something. And this isn't because of the flag she chose. It's forcing a student to pledge allegiance to ANY flag including the US one. The rule was always you don't have to say it if you don't want to. I thought that was kind of country wide but maybe not. It's fucking weird to swear an oath to a flag each morning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
armandro 08/30/21 3:10:00 PM #3:	She didn't force them. she literally says stand if you feel like it stand if you don't say the words if you want --- https://imgur.com/sKghEcP 8 October, 2023 <cite>armandro posted [p:957581845] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>She didn't force them. she literally says stand if you feel like it stand if you don't say the words if you want </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AldousIsDead 08/30/21 3:10:13 PM #4:	Incredibly tacky if true. Kill the pledge entirely though. --- In simplicity, utility. Through utility, simplicity. <cite>AldousIsDead posted [p:957581852] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Incredibly tacky if true. Kill the pledge entirely though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
armandro 08/30/21 3:11:31 PM #5:	[pls don't post if you're not going to watch the article or read the videos] --- https://imgur.com/sKghEcP 8 October, 2023 <cite>armandro posted [p:957581903] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>[pls don't post if you're not going to watch the article or read the videos] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanatteru 08/30/21 3:11:51 PM #6:	based --- despair-inducing <cite>Kanatteru posted [p:957581910] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>based </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 08/30/21 3:12:34 PM #7:	"So my class decided to stand but not say the words. Totally fine. Except for the fact, my room does not have a flag." "It used to be there," she said in the video, pointing to a corner of the whiteboard behind her. "But I took it down during COVID because it made me uncomfortable. And I packed it away, but I dont know where and I havent found it yet." This is kinda weird TBH. I have a feeling she doesn't want to find it. But either way my point stands, we shouldn't be swearing oaths to any flag. --- "No. I'm a man so theyll get me a full size McDouble." - DuncanWii https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:957581934] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote><quote> "So my class decided to stand but not say the words. Totally fine. Except for the fact, my room does not have a flag." "It used to be there," she said in the video, pointing to a corner of the whiteboard behind her. "But I took it down during COVID because it made me uncomfortable. And I packed it away, but I dont know where and I havent found it yet."</quote> This is kinda weird TBH. I have a feeling she doesn't want to find it. But either way my point stands, we shouldn't be swearing oaths to any flag. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 08/30/21 3:13:11 PM #8:	Is there rules against switching out the American flag during the duckfuck pledge? If so, there you go. If not, then it's hilarious and good for her. --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:957581955] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Is there rules against switching out the American flag during the duckfuck pledge? If so, there you go. If not, then it's hilarious and good for her. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cuttin_in_farm 08/30/21 3:14:12 PM #9:	WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted... The rule was always you don't have to say it if you don't want to. Not in my school. --- A show of kindness may not do much help, but a show of cruelty may do much harm. <cite>cuttin_in_farm posted [p:957581991] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted... </cite> <quote>The rule was always you don't have to say it if you don't want to.</quote> Not in my school. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 08/30/21 3:14:20 PM #10:	Cringe --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:957581994] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Cringe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
What_ 08/30/21 3:19:01 PM #11:	armandro posted... She didn't force them. she literally says stand if you feel like it stand if you don't say the words if you want <cite>What_ posted [p:957582138] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>armandro posted... </cite> <quote>She didn't force them. she literally says stand if you feel like it stand if you don't say the words if you want</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/30/21 3:22:07 PM #12:	Making kids pledge allegiance needs to be banned. As a kid I never thought twice about it. But now it seems fucked up <cite>Zikten posted [p:957582230] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Making kids pledge allegiance needs to be banned. As a kid I never thought twice about it. But now it seems fucked up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 08/30/21 3:22:38 PM #13:	fuck yeah --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:957582246] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>fuck yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Flauros 09/01/21 12:49:12 AM #16:	--- https://imgur.com/EX6Md7k https://imgur.com/X4cT0Sp Yim/Yum https://imgur.com/A3kur0P https://imgur.com/Hj9RrC6 <cite>Flauros posted [p:957628446] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Invisible_Woman 09/01/21 12:51:14 AM #17:	Does she allow students to kneel instead? <cite>Invisible_Woman posted [p:957628476] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Does she allow students to kneel instead?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heavy_D_Forever 09/01/21 12:52:37 AM #18:	cuh posted... Welp https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/oc-teacher-removed-from-classroom-pride-flag-pledge-of-allegiance-video-viral/2683210/ She dun goofed --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES <cite>Heavy_D_Forever posted [p:957628501] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>cuh posted... </cite> <quote>Welp https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/oc-teacher-removed-from-classroom-pride-flag-pledge-of-allegiance-video-viral/2683210/</quote>She dun goofed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 09/01/21 1:50:58 AM #20:	armandro posted... She didn't force them. she literally says stand if you feel like it stand if you don't say the words if you want --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:957629392] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>armandro posted... </cite> <quote>She didn't force them. she literally says stand if you feel like it stand if you don't say the words if you want</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/01/21 1:51:21 AM #21:	West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette That teacher can fuck right off. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957629396] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette That teacher can fuck right off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 09/01/21 1:52:25 AM #22:	Play stupid games --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:957629410] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Play stupid games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 09/01/21 1:53:57 AM #23:	Questionmarktarius posted... West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette That teacher can fuck right off. You aren't illiterate; don't pretend to be --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:957629432] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette That teacher can fuck right off.</quote>You aren't illiterate; don't pretend to be </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 09/01/21 1:55:15 AM #24:	Ilishe posted... Play stupid games And what games are those? It was the only flag in the room, and the teacher said go ahead and say it if you want. --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:957629445] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>Play stupid games</quote> And what games are those? It was the only flag in the room, and the teacher said go ahead and say it if you want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/01/21 1:56:13 AM #25:	Shezarr posted... You aren't illiterate; don't pretend to be Sorry, I'm drunk and didn't read the OP. WV board v. Barnett should still apply. You cannot force a pledge to any flag. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957629460] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>You aren't illiterate; don't pretend to be</quote>Sorry, I'm drunk and didn't read the OP. WV board v. Barnett should still apply. You cannot force a pledge to any flag. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 09/01/21 1:57:43 AM #26:	Questionmarktarius posted... Shezarr posted... You aren't illiterate; don't pretend to be Sorry, I'm drunk and didn't read the OP. WV board v. Barnett should still apply. You cannot force a pledge to any flag. She didn't force it. Topic title is false --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem boy posted [p:957629474] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote> You aren't illiterate; don't pretend to be</quote>Sorry, I'm drunk and didn't read the OP. WV board v. Barnett should still apply. You cannot force a pledge to any flag.</quote> She didn't force it. Topic title is false</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/01/21 1:59:16 AM #27:	emblem boy posted... She didn't force it. Then... I'll just drunkedly stagger off. oops <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957629500] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>emblem boy posted... </cite> <quote>She didn't force it.</quote>Then... I'll just drunkedly stagger off. oops </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 09/01/21 1:59:19 AM #28:	Bass_X0 posted... "I always tell my class stand if you feel like, dont stand if you feel like it, say the words if you want, dont say the words if they dont want to," Pitzen said in the video, referring to how student take part in the pledge of allegiance in her class. "So my class decided to stand but not say the words. Totally fine. Except for the fact, my room does not have a flag." ..... But when the students said it was "kind of weird" to stand and say the pledge when there was no American flag in the room, Pitzen explained it was lost in storage at the moment and that she would do her best to find it. "'In the meantime,' I tell this kid, 'We do have this flag in the class that you can pledge your allegiance to.' And he looks around and goes, 'Oh, that one?'" at which point Pitzen panned the camera to show a Progress Pride flag hanging on a wall in the classroom. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem boy posted [p:957629502] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted...</cite> <quote>"I always tell my class stand if you feel like, dont stand if you feel like it, say the words if you want, dont say the words if they dont want to," Pitzen said in the video, referring to how student take part in the pledge of allegiance in her class. "So my class decided to stand but not say the words. Totally fine. Except for the fact, my room does not have a flag." ..... But when the students said it was "kind of weird" to stand and say the pledge when there was no American flag in the room, Pitzen explained it was lost in storage at the moment and that she would do her best to find it. "'In the meantime,' I tell this kid, 'We do have this flag in the class that you can pledge your allegiance to.' And he looks around and goes, 'Oh, that one?'" at which point Pitzen panned the camera to show a Progress Pride flag hanging on a wall in the classroom. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 09/01/21 1:59:22 AM #29:	Questionmarktarius posted... Sorry, I'm drunk and didn't read the OP. WV board v. Barnett should still apply. You cannot force a pledge to any flag. Read it all one more time. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:957629505] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry, I'm drunk and didn't read the OP. WV board v. Barnett should still apply. You cannot force a pledge to any flag.</quote>Read it all one more time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 09/01/21 2:00:59 AM #30:	cuh posted... Welp https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/oc-teacher-removed-from-classroom-pride-flag-pledge-of-allegiance-video-viral/2683210/ Time for her to sue --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:957629528] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>cuh posted... </cite> <quote>Welp https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/oc-teacher-removed-from-classroom-pride-flag-pledge-of-allegiance-video-viral/2683210/</quote>Time for her to sue </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 09/01/21 2:02:32 AM #31:	Ilishe posted... Play stupid games --- Aussie Aussie Aussie OI OI OI! <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:957629552] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>Play stupid games</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bad_Mojo 09/01/21 2:03:45 AM #32:	And what games are those, @ColdOne666 ? --- https://i.imgtc.com/hQ5SuG6.gif https://i.imgtc.com/QrhAq36.gif https://i.imgtc.com/Yjov9DU.gif <cite>Bad_Mojo posted [p:957629564] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>And what games are those, @ColdOne666 ? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Invisible_Woman 09/01/21 2:05:50 AM #33:	Irony posted... Time for her to sue She should take her case to Kavanaugh. <cite>Invisible_Woman posted [p:957629589] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted...</cite> <quote> Time for her to sue </quote> She should take her case to Kavanaugh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emmo 09/01/21 2:14:40 AM #34:	This issue just doesn't seem worth it. I can't say I honestly care if someone else devotes themselves over a bit of fabric, whate'er the reason. --- Let go of my foot. <cite>emmo posted [p:957629711] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>This issue just doesn't seem worth it. I can't say I honestly care if someone else devotes themselves over a bit of fabric, whate'er the reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/01/21 2:19:19 AM #35:	emmo posted... This issue just doesn't seem worth it. It turns out, that it was never really mandatory. It's all just rage-bait, and it got me too. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957629785] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>emmo posted... </cite> <quote>This issue just doesn't seem worth it.</quote>It turns out, that it was never really mandatory. It's all just rage-bait, and it got me too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Arcanine2009 09/02/21 3:52:35 AM #36:	Flauros posted... lmao --- Less is more. Everything you want, isn't everything you need. <cite>Arcanine2009 posted [p:957662288] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Flauros posted... </cite> <quote></quote>lmao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PC-Builder_Pony 09/02/21 3:53:28 AM #37:	Fire her --- Mac Book Pro 16 - 6-Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz - 32gb DDR4 2667 MHz - Radeon Pro 5500M 8gb - 2TB Apple SSD <cite>PC-Builder_Pony posted [p:957662298] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Fire her </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HairyQueen 09/02/21 3:54:09 AM #38:	Kanatteru posted... based --- Good vibes only <cite>HairyQueen posted [p:957662310] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Kanatteru posted... </cite> <quote>based</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PsychoVision 09/02/21 3:54:22 AM #39:	Haha <cite>PsychoVision posted [p:957662312] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>Haha </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kanaya413 09/02/21 3:55:01 AM #40:	What is pledging allegiance anyway <cite>Kanaya413 posted [p:957662320] in Teacher fo... [t:79638585]...</cite> <quote>What is pledging allegiance anyway </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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