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Giblet_Enjoyer 08/30/21 11:47:29 PM #101:	averagejoel posted... that point is equally applicable to pretty much any artistic work though. any "meaning" derived from engaging with any work is dependent on the observer; not on the work itself. Not really. There are some pieces of art that actually have identifiable forms, as opposed to what's basically a Rorschach test that could easily be procedurally generated. People ITT are doing this weird either/or thing where they reject the extreme of "only <essentially a hand-drawn photograph> art is worthy" and embracing the even stupider opposite extreme of "shit spatterings are just as evocative and meaningful as Rembrandt!" Saying nothing has meaning beyond what the observer thinks is the same as saying that words don't have meaning beyond what the listener thinks. Artist intent is a thing and art isn't valid if it isn't a coherent communication of something. It's weird because people understand this when it comes to any other medium besides the visual one. --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957596747] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>that point is equally applicable to pretty much any artistic work though. any "meaning" derived from engaging with any work is dependent on the observer; not on the work itself.</quote>Not really. There are some pieces of art that actually have identifiable forms, as opposed to what's basically a Rorschach test that could easily be procedurally generated. People ITT are doing this weird either/or thing where they reject the extreme of "only <essentially a hand-drawn photograph> art is worthy" and embracing the even stupider opposite extreme of "shit spatterings are just as evocative and meaningful as Rembrandt!" Saying nothing has meaning beyond what the observer thinks is the same as saying that words don't have meaning beyond what the listener thinks. Artist intent is a thing and art isn't valid if it isn't a coherent communication of something. It's weird because people understand this when it comes to any other medium besides the visual one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 08/30/21 11:55:28 PM #102:	Anybody could have created this crappy piece of art, I could have done this smh Yeah probably but you didnt, this person did, --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:957596925] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Anybody could have created this crappy piece of art, I could have done this smh Yeah probably but you didnt, this person did, </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 08/30/21 11:59:47 PM #103:	I'd just like to say that I don't think there's anything wrong with the type of thinking on display in post #79, if you feel something from something that isn't really anything discernible then there's nothing wrong with that. It's just when you act like the artist was trying to say something with paintings that are clearly unskilled blah bloo blah like post #87's example that I have to call that pretentious wankery On conservatives, I think their thing is that they see people by their merit, and unskilled art like I described isn't respected by them for that reason. Anyone could do it and undue credit is attached to the artist, usually just because of their name. It's an outrage, in a way, especially when this gobbledyguk sells for millions (probably money laundering schemes but still) --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957597016] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>I'd just like to say that I don't think there's anything wrong with the type of thinking on display in post #79, if you feel something from something that isn't really anything discernible then there's nothing wrong with that. It's just when you act like the artist was trying to say something with paintings that are clearly unskilled blah bloo blah like post #87's example that I have to call that pretentious wankery On conservatives, I think their thing is that they see people by their merit, and unskilled art like I described isn't respected by them for that reason. Anyone could do it and undue credit is attached to the artist, usually just because of their name. It's an outrage, in a way, especially when this gobbledyguk sells for millions (probably money laundering schemes but still) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 08/31/21 12:01:33 AM #104:	iPhone_7 posted... Yeah probably but you didnt, this person did, ooh, beat me by a few minutes. I just addressed this Celeb worship is apparently cool too when it comes to visual art. lizardbrains gonna lizard --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957597050] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah probably but you didnt, this person did,</quote>ooh, beat me by a few minutes. I just addressed this Celeb worship is apparently cool too when it comes to visual art. lizardbrains gonna lizard </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/31/21 12:14:43 AM #105:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Saying nothing has meaning beyond what the observer thinks is the same as saying that words don't have meaning beyond what the listener thinks. Artist intent is a thing and art isn't valid if it isn't a coherent communication of something. you can't ever actually know what the artist's intent is though; so as a general rule it's best to ignore it --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957597298] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>Saying nothing has meaning beyond what the observer thinks is the same as saying that words don't have meaning beyond what the listener thinks. Artist intent is a thing and art isn't valid if it isn't a coherent communication of something.</quote>you can't ever actually know what the artist's intent is though; so as a general rule it's best to ignore it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 08/31/21 12:46:16 AM #106:	ZMythos posted... Conservatives love individualism until people start appearing like individuals. Couldn't be made more clear from the way they react to modern abstract art. Like, apparently the feeling I get from Stan Brakhage's Night Music is just a "Rorschach Test". Lmao. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:957597832] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Conservatives love individualism until people start appearing like individuals.</quote>Couldn't be made more clear from the way they react to modern abstract art. Like, apparently the feeling I get from Stan Brakhage's Night Music is just a "Rorschach Test". Lmao. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shezarr 08/31/21 12:48:15 AM #107:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... On conservatives, I think their thing is that they see people by their merit LMAO. Oh wow. That's a good one. --- The artist formerly known as RebelElite791 <cite>Shezarr posted [p:957597866] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>On conservatives, I think their thing is that they see people by their merit</quote>LMAO. Oh wow. That's a good one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMog123 08/31/21 1:06:50 AM #108:	The blue zip, by Barnett Newman, posted earlier has a lot of historical context, but it's also really just meant to make you think. Personally, I really like the monochromes by Yves Klein like this: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/work/T/T01/T01513_10.jpg There was a whole Love Death and Robot about this. His other work is more involved, definitely worth checking out by GameFAQs standards, but the really bright plain blue image just immediately draws your eyes and catches your imagination. For something a little easier to digest, check out Salvador Dali. It's hard to post one without accidentally posting nudity, but you've definitely seen them some of his art before and most pieces have some intentional meaning behind them. --- "You're sorely underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles." - adjl http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110218.gif <cite>ChocoboMog123 posted [p:957598155] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>The blue zip, by Barnett Newman, posted earlier has a lot of historical context, but it's also really just meant to make you think. Personally, I really like the monochromes by Yves Klein like this: https://www.tate.org.uk/art/images/work/T/T01/T01513_10.jpg There was a whole Love Death and Robot about this. His other work is more involved, definitely worth checking out by GameFAQs standards, but the really bright plain blue image just immediately draws your eyes and catches your imagination. For something a little easier to digest, check out Salvador Dali. It's hard to post one without accidentally posting nudity, but you've definitely seen them some of his art before and most pieces have some intentional meaning behind them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 08/31/21 1:23:51 AM #109:	averagejoel posted... you can't ever actually know what the artist's intent is though You can often tell whether or not there is one at all though. Shezarr posted... LMAO. Oh wow. That's a good one. They're bad judges of it but it's true. They at least try to judge people by their ability --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957598366] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>you can't ever actually know what the artist's intent is though</quote>You can often tell whether or not there is one at all though. Shezarr posted... </cite> <quote>LMAO. Oh wow. That's a good one.</quote>They're bad judges of it but it's true. They at least try to judge people by their ability </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 08/31/21 7:57:27 AM #110:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... You can often tell whether or not there is one at all though. no you can't --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957602649] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>You can often tell whether or not there is one at all though.</quote>no you can't </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tais83nKnuckles 08/31/21 5:57:20 PM #111:	I call this piece "Gamefaqs in August" <cite>Tais83nKnuckles posted [p:957618150] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote> I call this piece "Gamefaqs in August" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 08/31/21 10:41:10 PM #112:	averagejoel posted... no you can't If someone were to make a coherent image on accident by flinging paint at a canvas I wouldn't fault anyone for seeing it. I don't think that happens very often though --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957625837] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>no you can't</quote>If someone were to make a coherent image on accident by flinging paint at a canvas I wouldn't fault anyone for seeing it. I don't think that happens very often though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/01/21 7:41:13 AM #113:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... If someone were to make a coherent image on accident by flinging paint at a canvas I wouldn't fault anyone for seeing it. I don't think that happens very often though what do you mean by "coherent"? and why do you assume that "flinging paint at a canvas" means there was no artistic intent? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957633045] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>If someone were to make a coherent image on accident by flinging paint at a canvas I wouldn't fault anyone for seeing it. I don't think that happens very often though</quote>what do you mean by "coherent"? and why do you assume that "flinging paint at a canvas" means there was no artistic intent? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 09/02/21 2:07:00 AM #114:	averagejoel posted... what do you mean by "coherent"? You can see identifiable forms averagejoel posted... and why do you assume that "flinging paint at a canvas" means there was no artistic intent? You just said why --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957661108] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>what do you mean by "coherent"?</quote>You can see identifiable forms averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>and why do you assume that "flinging paint at a canvas" means there was no artistic intent?</quote>You just said why </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/02/21 8:16:34 AM #115:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... You can see identifiable forms are you able to identify lines when you see them? are you able to identify colours when you see them? if so, coloured lines are identifiable forms You just said why no I didn't. "flinging paint at a canvas" does not mean that there was no artistic intent --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957665120] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>You can see identifiable forms</quote>are you able to identify lines when you see them? are you able to identify colours when you see them? if so, coloured lines are identifiable forms <quote>You just said why</quote>no I didn't. "flinging paint at a canvas" does not mean that there was no artistic intent </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 09/02/21 12:56:24 PM #116:	I'm so, so grateful to be unburdened by the inability to see beyond "identifiable forms" in art. Watching these people try to defend their views is like watching a two dimensional being explain the inferiority of the third dimension. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:957671777] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>I'm so, so grateful to be unburdened by the inability to see beyond "identifiable forms" in art. Watching these people try to defend their views is like watching a two dimensional being explain the inferiority of the third dimension. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/02/21 1:02:12 PM #117:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... Time to trigger the cons with art. I'm not sure which one, but this is a cropped frame from a Stan Brakhage film. Pretty sure that's Stellar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8r9t135_xY IdiotMachine posted... How can you not understand this beautiful piece of art that costs $44 million? Thus, the only real "value" of art is what some sucker pays for it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957671940] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>Time to trigger the cons with art. I'm not sure which one, but this is a cropped frame from a Stan Brakhage film.</quote>Pretty sure that's Stellar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8r9t135_xY IdiotMachine posted... </cite> <quote>How can you not understand this beautiful piece of art that costs $44 million?</quote>Thus, the only real "value" of art is what some sucker pays for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 09/02/21 1:09:21 PM #118:	Questionmarktarius posted... Pretty sure that's Stellar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8r9t135_xY Eh, I don't think so. But I don't think its Night Music, either, the more I look at it. Hmm. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:957672123] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Pretty sure that's Stellar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8r9t135_xY</quote>Eh, I don't think so. But I don't think its Night Music, either, the more I look at it. Hmm. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 09/02/21 1:13:51 PM #119:	Tais83nKnuckles posted... I call this piece "Gamefaqs in August" What does CE think about this piece? I think its a statement on society & consumerism, perhaps also a statement on marxism & global warming. Marvelous, just marvelous. Ill give you $50 billion for it! --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:957672238] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Tais83nKnuckles posted... </cite> <quote> I call this piece "Gamefaqs in August"</quote>What does CE think about this piece? I think its a statement on society & consumerism, perhaps also a statement on marxism & global warming. Marvelous, just marvelous. Ill give you $50 billion for it! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 09/02/21 1:20:56 PM #120:	Conservatives who are obsessed with stuff like being mad at abstract art and brutalist architecture are always the funniest because they never seem to realize how little most people care about their niche rage --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:957672427] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives who are obsessed with stuff like being mad at abstract art and brutalist architecture are always the funniest because they never seem to realize how little most people care about their niche rage </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Paragon21XX 09/02/21 1:23:21 PM #121:	iPhone_7 posted... What does CE think about this piece? I think its a statement on society & consumerism, perhaps also a statement on marxism & global warming. Marvelous, just marvelous. Ill give you $50 billion for it! That's not how you launder money! You are supposed to buy low from the artist and sell high to your associates in a perfectly legitimate business transaction. --- Hmm... <cite>Paragon21XX posted [p:957672495] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>What does CE think about this piece? I think its a statement on society & consumerism, perhaps also a statement on marxism & global warming. Marvelous, just marvelous. Ill give you $50 billion for it!</quote>That's not how you launder money! You are supposed to buy low from the artist and sell high to your associates in a perfectly legitimate business transaction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 09/02/21 1:23:53 PM #122:	iPhone_7 posted... What does CE think about this piece? I think he started to draw a hand turket and then forgot how it went and made a mistake, so he went crazy and tried to blame CE's superior taste in art. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:957672513] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>What does CE think about this piece?</quote>I think he started to draw a hand turket and then forgot how it went and made a mistake, so he went crazy and tried to blame CE's superior taste in art. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/02/21 1:27:55 PM #123:	Paragon21XX posted... That's not how you launder money! You are supposed to buy low from the artist and sell high to your associates in a perfectly legitimate business transaction. The real money is in running the auction house, which gets both a commission from the seller and a premium from the buyer. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957672615] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Paragon21XX posted... </cite> <quote>That's not how you launder money! You are supposed to buy low from the artist and sell high to your associates in a perfectly legitimate business transaction.</quote>The real money is in running the auction house, which gets both a commission from the seller and a premium from the buyer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 09/02/21 7:08:22 PM #124:	averagejoel posted... are you able to identify lines when you see them? are you able to identify colours when you see them? if so, coloured lines are identifiable forms No. averagejoel posted... no I didn't. "flinging paint at a canvas" does not mean that there was no artistic intent Yes it does. --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957682814] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>are you able to identify lines when you see them? are you able to identify colours when you see them? if so, coloured lines are identifiable forms</quote>No. averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>no I didn't. "flinging paint at a canvas" does not mean that there was no artistic intent</quote>Yes it does. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/03/21 12:46:33 PM #125:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... No. Yes it does. are you capable of engaging with art, or words about art, beyond simplistic responses like that? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957702596] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>No. Yes it does.</quote>are you capable of engaging with art, or words about art, beyond simplistic responses like that? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/03/21 12:52:53 PM #126:	That graph has serious "old man yells at clouds" energy lmao, conservatives are so embarrassing --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:957702760] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>That graph has serious "old man yells at clouds" energy lmao, conservatives are so embarrassing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 09/03/21 1:00:28 PM #127:	pinky0926 posted... That graph has serious "old man yells at clouds" energy lmao, conservatives are so embarrassing how did you know this was the next post in the sequence, is it because you live in Europe? --- "Why is ontology so expensive?" - JH [Is this live?][Joyless planet...] <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:957702982] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote>That graph has serious "old man yells at clouds" energy lmao, conservatives are so embarrassing</quote>how did you know this was the next post in the sequence, is it because you live in Europe? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancing_cactuar 09/03/21 1:01:14 PM #128:	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQfz2a0JfQ ultimate reaver posted... Conservatives who are obsessed with stuff like being mad at abstract art and brutalist architecture are always the funniest because they never seem to realize how little most people care about their niche rage Don't you compare cool brutalist architecture with shit like invisible art or the banana taped to a wall that was sold for six figures. --- According to someone on this website: $60 + $60 - $60 = $120 The PS5 has liquid metal tech like the T-1000 Terminator- AceCombatX <cite>dancing_cactuar posted [p:957702993] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BgQfz2a0JfQ ultimate reaver posted... </cite> <quote>Conservatives who are obsessed with stuff like being mad at abstract art and brutalist architecture are always the funniest because they never seem to realize how little most people care about their niche rage</quote>Don't you compare cool brutalist architecture with shit like invisible art or the banana taped to a wall that was sold for six figures. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/03/21 1:07:08 PM #129:	dancing_cactuar posted... Don't you compare cool brutalist architecture with shit like invisible art or the banana taped to a wall that was sold for six figures. If some sucker wants to pay a few hundred thousand for a banana and some duct tape, that's proof that art has no need whatsoever of any public subsidy. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:957703163] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>dancing_cactuar posted... </cite> <quote>Don't you compare cool brutalist architecture with shit like invisible art or the banana taped to a wall that was sold for six figures.</quote>If some sucker wants to pay a few hundred thousand for a banana and some duct tape, that's proof that art has no need whatsoever of any public subsidy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 09/03/21 1:08:41 PM #130:	Let's talk less about naturalist art and more about naturist art. How about that? --- https://imgur.com/VeNBg https://imgur.com/gd5jC8q https://imgur.com/PKIy7 https://imgur.com/3p29JqP <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:957703196] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Let's talk less about naturalist art and more about naturist art. How about that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/03/21 2:09:54 PM #131:	MedeaLysistrata posted... how did you know this was the next post in the sequence, is it because you live in Europe? Psychic --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:957704826] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>MedeaLysistrata posted... </cite> <quote>how did you know this was the next post in the sequence, is it because you live in Europe?</quote> Psychic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 09/04/21 2:40:26 AM #132:	averagejoel posted... are you capable of engaging with art, or words about art, beyond simplistic responses like that? I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything" --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957722017] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>are you capable of engaging with art, or words about art, beyond simplistic responses like that?</quote>I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GrandConjuraton 09/04/21 6:18:05 AM #133:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything" I'd consider myself a pretty strong leftist and I consider this type of "art" to be crap, myself. --- Clear and bright; meant not for me, in unending night. https://imgur.com/WXUtvXj <cite>GrandConjuraton posted [p:957723861] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything"</quote>I'd consider myself a pretty strong leftist and I consider this type of "art" to be crap, myself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 09/04/21 6:33:39 AM #134:	Tais83nKnuckles posted... I call this piece "Gamefaqs in August" Looks like a disgraced troll making a few failed attempts to draw a swastika before pissing himself in the corner, to me. --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:957723981] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Tais83nKnuckles posted... </cite> <quote> I call this piece "Gamefaqs in August"</quote>Looks like a disgraced troll making a few failed attempts to draw a swastika before pissing himself in the corner, to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Winrawr 09/04/21 6:53:54 AM #135:	I cannot tell what is more fascinating: The fact that people find this to be in interesting topic of discussion, or the fact that abstract art has been made political. <cite>Winrawr posted [p:957724126] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>I cannot tell what is more fascinating: The fact that people find this to be in interesting topic of discussion, or the fact that abstract art has been made political. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/04/21 7:07:25 AM #136:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... I don't entertain delusions. the idea that you can know an artist's intent, or even determine whether there was one in the first place, is a delusion. you certainly cannot do so exclusively by observing their art. even if you hear the artist talk about their intent, their brain processes don't necessarily translate to words super well. also they can outright lie. so, best-case scenario, your idea of their "intent" is a guess. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. that doesn't mean it isn't art It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. you don't get to decide that. you don't get any input on that at all. it's completely out of your hands. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything" first, I take issue with the idea that the appearance of toast, something which requires a lot of specific, conscious input from humans to create, is "random" I also take issue with your conflation of the ideas "this person thinks this is art" and "this person thinks this work should be sold for a large amount of money" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957724241] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>I don't entertain delusions.</quote>the idea that you can know an artist's intent, or even determine whether there was one in the first place, is a delusion. you certainly cannot do so exclusively by observing their art. even if you hear the artist talk about their intent, their brain processes don't necessarily translate to words super well. also they can outright lie. so, best-case scenario, your idea of their "intent" is a guess. <quote>This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint.</quote>that doesn't mean it isn't art <quote>It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does.</quote>you don't get to decide that. you don't get any input on that at all. it's completely out of your hands. <quote>It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything"</quote>first, I take issue with the idea that the appearance of toast, something which requires a lot of specific, conscious input from humans to create, is "random" I also take issue with your conflation of the ideas "this person thinks this is art" and "this person thinks this work should be sold for a large amount of money" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 09/04/21 8:03:35 AM #137:	Winrawr posted... I cannot tell what is more fascinating: The fact that people find this to be in interesting topic of discussion, or the fact that abstract art has been made political. Abstract art isn't political, conservatism is just diametrically opposed to all forms of human experience and expression. To them, the entirety of humanity is a plague which their political philosophy is opposed to. --- Hard times (happiest days of my life) hard times gone by <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:957724765] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Winrawr posted... </cite> <quote>I cannot tell what is more fascinating: The fact that people find this to be in interesting topic of discussion, or the fact that abstract art has been made political.</quote>Abstract art isn't political, conservatism is just diametrically opposed to all forms of human experience and expression. To them, the entirety of humanity is a plague which their political philosophy is opposed to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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averagejoel 09/04/21 8:09:40 AM #139:	I do take issue with the idea that anything created by a human "isn't political", though that's more a function of how broadly you define "politics" and how willing you are to cross the line from "Death of the Author" to "Disappearance of the Author" --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957724846] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>I do take issue with the idea that anything created by a human "isn't political", though that's more a function of how broadly you define "politics" and how willing you are to cross the line from "Death of the Author" to "Disappearance of the Author" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Marmitecashews 09/04/21 8:56:25 AM #140:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything" I've seen worse art. --- https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlmswo0S0e0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OlahNrlcgS4 <cite>Marmitecashews posted [p:957725385] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything"</quote>I've seen worse art. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 09/04/21 11:03:10 PM #141:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... Brilliant inspiring piece. Ill give you 30K for it! --- Sig User Logic https://imgur.com/lA5fm7w <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:957744877] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote> </quote>Brilliant inspiring piece. Ill give you 30K for it! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 09/04/21 11:31:30 PM #142:	iPhone_7 posted... Brilliant inspiring piece. Ill give you 30K for it! Youve really got just the one joke, huh? --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:957745636] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Brilliant inspiring piece. Ill give you 30K for it!</quote>Youve really got just the one joke, huh? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Giblet_Enjoyer 09/05/21 3:22:06 AM #143:	MrToothHasYou posted... Youve really got just the one joke, huh? This post might simply say "Youve really got just the one joke, huh?" but what it means to ME is "I'm the inventor of the act of felching" and you CANNOT convince me otherwise --- He which make friends with scorpion, soon come to find out what a scorpion does - they bite people with its tail --ancient Chinese proverb <cite>Giblet_Enjoyer posted [p:957749972] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite> <quote>Youve really got just the one joke, huh?</quote>This post might simply say "Youve really got just the one joke, huh?" but what it means to ME is "I'm the inventor of the act of felching" and you CANNOT convince me otherwise </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 09/05/21 3:27:27 AM #144:	cuz it reminds them of "the good ole days" where blacks waited on their every move and women didn't have the vote yet. --- #BladeGang <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:957750022] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>cuz it reminds them of "the good ole days" where blacks waited on their every move and women didn't have the vote yet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Naysaspace 09/05/21 3:28:02 AM #145:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything" you could NFT this shit for at least 4 bills --- #BladeGang <cite>Naysaspace posted [p:957750030] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>I don't entertain delusions. This isn't art. I just scribbled it out in 30 seconds, randomly, in MS paint. It doesn't mean anything even if you think it does. It's weird because, again, left-leaning people understand this when it comes to literally anything else. A conservative sells their jesus toast for thousands and liberals be like "lol it just happened randomly it doesn't mean anything"</quote>you could NFT this shit for at least 4 bills </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_QuietPlace462 09/05/21 3:28:31 AM #146:	Abstract art is the best for money laundering --- Mac Book Pro 16 - 6-Core i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz - 32gb DDR4 2667 MHz - Radeon Pro 5500M 8gb - 2TB Apple SSD Pon/Pone <cite>A_QuietPlace462 posted [p:957750037] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Abstract art is the best for money laundering </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 09/05/21 8:22:24 AM #147:	Giblet_Enjoyer posted... This post might simply say "Youve really got just the one joke, huh?" but what it means to ME is "I'm the inventor of the act of felching" and you CANNOT convince me otherwise What can I say, Im a degenerate --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:957752890] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>Giblet_Enjoyer posted... </cite> <quote>This post might simply say "Youve really got just the one joke, huh?" but what it means to ME is "I'm the inventor of the act of felching" and you CANNOT convince me otherwise</quote>What can I say, Im a degenerate </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hornezz 09/05/21 8:31:46 AM #148:	iPhone_7 posted... Brilliant inspiring piece. Ill give you 30K for it! Marmitecashews posted... I've seen worse art. I think I actually like it. Naysaspace posted... you could NFT this shit for at least 4 bills This act you guys are putting up, is it performance art? --- In dentibus anticis frustum magnum spinaciae habes. <cite>Hornezz posted [p:957753020] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>iPhone_7 posted... </cite> <quote>Brilliant inspiring piece. Ill give you 30K for it!</quote> Marmitecashews posted... </cite> <quote>I've seen worse art. I think I actually like it.</quote> Naysaspace posted... </cite> <quote>you could NFT this shit for at least 4 bills</quote> This act you guys are putting up, is it performance art? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 09/05/21 8:41:13 AM #149:	MrToothHasYou posted... What can I say, Im a degenerate don't you just love when someone tries to apply ideas from a conversation about visual art to words, and in the process decides that "ignoring the creator's intent" is equivalent to "ignoring the words and making stuff up"? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:957753169] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>MrToothHasYou posted... </cite> <quote>What can I say, Im a degenerate</quote>don't you just love when someone tries to apply ideas from a conversation about visual art to words, and in the process decides that "ignoring the creator's intent" is equivalent to "ignoring the words and making stuff up"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 09/05/21 12:49:38 PM #150:	averagejoel posted... don't you just love when someone tries to apply ideas from a conversation about visual art to words, and in the process decides that "ignoring the creator's intent" is equivalent to "ignoring the words and making stuff up"? Hes doing his best, and we shouldnt demean that --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:957757905] in Why do con... [t:79637855]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>don't you just love when someone tries to apply ideas from a conversation about visual art to words, and in the process decides that "ignoring the creator's intent" is equivalent to "ignoring the words and making stuff up"?</quote>Hes doing his best, and we shouldnt demean that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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