Current Events > CE - What are your thoughts on natural immunity vs vaccination?

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Should a person who has had covid-19 and recovered from it without having gotten the vaccine be forced to get a vaccine to participate in society? Please explain your thoughts whether yes/no/whatever.

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yes

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You can get reinfected.
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Depends on which strain they cought. The delta varient changed its spike protein antigen. So the old covid antibodies are much less effective.
The mRNA antibodies from the vax are effective against both.

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DuranOfForcena posted...

there is no such thing as natural immunity

Not true. I am naturally immune from chicken pox. Didn't catch it as a kid. And varicella vaccines don't even produce an immune response today.

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People have gotten covid multiple times. Get the fucking vaccine

Just quit being a fucking baby and get the damn vaccine.

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I have natural immunity, but I still got my shot. I don't ever get the Flu Shot, though. The last time I got actually sick was back in 2007, I think, when I was living in Las Vegas. Got that one, "Water in the lungs," thing that I can't spell. Starts with a P, lol

But yeah, I never get sick with anything. A runny nose when it's cold, but I don't really call that sick.

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Either way you slice, it the chance of contracting it and suffering moderate to severe symptoms is greatly diminished on a plant-based diet. That in itself supports taking a more natural and holistic approach to building up an immunity the way nature intended us to, as opposed to relying solely on medical intervention that essentially boils down to slapping a bandaid on the problem and call it a day.

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Get the vaccine. Antibodies only last for long and you can get COVID more than once. You're rolling the dice on what symptoms will express if you come down with it.

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Taharqa_ posted...

Antibodies only last for long and you can get COVID more than once

And people have gotten it after they got the vax as well.

And I'm all for getting the shot, but it's not perfect either.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Either way you slice, it the chance of contracting it and suffering moderate to severe symptoms is greatly diminished on a plant-based diet. That in itself supports taking a more natural and holistic approach to building up an immune system the way nature intended us to, as opposed to relying solely on medical intervention that essentially boils down to slapping a bandaid on the problem and call it a day.

Link to study because one I read on this was utter bs

Fyi, the country who has a plant based diet because of religion got hit hard by covid

WingsOfGood posted...

Link to study because one I read on this was utter bs

Fyi, the country who has a plant based diet because of religion got hit hard by covid

https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/4/1/257

Bad_Mojo posted...

And people have gotten it after they got the vax as well.

And I'm all for getting the shot, but it's not perfect either.

And people will continue to get it, regardless if they are vaxxed or not, because it is not a one-size-fits-all solution. An already bad immune system will still be bad.

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I'm sorry but this is not a thoughts and feelings
topic, it's a medical expert topic.

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MaddenDude-- posted...

it's a medical expert topic.

lmao

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Small sample size, but the CDC found that those who had natural immunity were 2.3x more likely to be reinfected than those who were vaccinated.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html

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Let's ask all the dead people about natural immunity.

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It's weird. All these "counter points" ITT do not change the fact that vaccination is the dominant strategy, regardless of previous exposure or diet.

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Why do Sages and ? Blocks post the absolute dumbest shit
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bluezero posted...

Let's ask all the dead people about natural immunity.

I get what this topic is about now. I thought we were talking about the people like me who never gets sick with anything.

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Unless youre Wolverine or Deadpool, get vaccinated.

Xenozoa425 posted...

Either way you slice, it the chance of contracting it and suffering moderate to severe symptoms is greatly diminished on a plant-based diet. That in itself supports taking a more natural and holistic approach to building up an immunity the way nature intended us to, as opposed to relying solely on medical intervention that essentially boils down to slapping a bandaid on the problem and call it a day.

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b_hamnite posted...

Unless youre Wolverine or Deadpool, get vaccinated.

He's serious. He's been in several topics going on about this.

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Not sure why antivaxxers dont realize that covid has long term side effects and the incredibly deadly short term side effect called death.

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@Xenozoa425 might just be a gimmick, and an alt to @Another_Voice , who was just posting nonsense last night for fun.

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I don't see any risk in taking vaccine. Covid isn't a natural virus so I wonder if natural immunity would work and same for the delta variant.

Moreover, I'm not medical expert, I may be wrong. But I'd still suggest taking the vaccine.

Precaution is always better than cure !!

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Maybe try reading the BMJ article I posted? Or is it too long?

https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/4/1/257

Abstract

Background Several studies have hypothesised that dietary habits may play an important role in COVID-19 infection, severity of symptoms, and duration of illness. However, no previous studies have investigated the association between dietary patterns and COVID-19.

Methods Healthcare workers (HCWs) from six countries (France, Germany, Italy, Spain, UK, USA) with substantial exposure to COVID-19 patients completed a web-based survey from 17 July to 25 September 2020. Participants provided information on demographic characteristics, dietary information, and COVID-19 outcomes. We used multivariable logistic regression models to evaluate the association between self-reported diets and COVID-19 infection, severity, and duration.

Results There were 568 COVID-19 cases and 2316 controls. Among the 568 cases, 138 individuals had moderate-to-severe COVID-19 severity whereas 430 individuals had very mild to mild COVID-19 severity. After adjusting for important confounders, participants who reported following plant-based diets and plant-based diets or pescatarian diets had 73% (OR 0.27, 95% CI 0.10 to 0.81) and 59% (OR 0.41, 95% CI 0.17 to 0.99) lower odds of moderate-to-severe COVID-19 severity, respectively, compared with participants who did not follow these diets. Compared with participants who reported following plant-based diets, those who reported following low carbohydrate, high protein diets had greater odds of moderate-to-severe COVID-19 (OR 3.86, 95% CI 1.13 to 13.24). No association was observed between self-reported diets and COVID-19 infection or duration.

Conclusion In six countries, plant-based diets or pescatarian diets were associated with lower odds of moderate-to-severe COVID-19. These dietary patterns may be considered for protection against severe COVID-19.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Maybe try reading the BMJ article I posted? Or is it too long?

https://nutrition.bmj.com/content/4/1/257

If you want to push your vegan bonanza, take it to some other topic, stop hijacking this one for your agenda.

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/79627776

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You can get covid more than once, so it's best to have as much protection as possible.

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Well that's a first, I've never seen someone downplay public health in regards to scientifically sound nutritional information because it's "vegan propaganda" quite like that.

Reminds me of this meme.



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Xenozoa425 posted...

Well that's a first, I've never seen someone downplay scientifically sound nutritional information in regards to public health because it's "vegan propaganda" quite like that before.

Reminds me of this meme.

Even if a vegan diet does help reduce COVID severity, that doesn't mean you shouldn't also get a safe, freely available, and now FDA-approved vaccine to help make yourself even more protected.

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Compsognathus posted...

Even if a vegan diet does help reduce COVID severity, that doesn't mean you shouldn't also get a safe, freely available, and now FDA-approved vaccine to help make yourself even more protected.

Also, with the FDA approval these vaccines have a reported 340,000 pages worth of data and have been administered to tens of millions of people. This is the most vetting I've ever heard of.

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Also, we have never eradicated a virus without vaccines

Get vaccinated.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

And people have gotten it after they got the vax as well.

And I'm all for getting the shot, but it's not perfect either.

Anyone who says the vaccine will stop you from getting COVID is spreading misinformation too.

It helps stop the spread because youre less likely to spread it and youre less likely to need hospitalization if you get COVID.

Get the fucking shot if you havent yet people. Its FDA approved now. (I know you have, its a general PSA)
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No vaccine we've ever made is 100% efficient at preventing infection. The way polio was eradicated in the US was with a highly efficacious vaccine AND the overwhelming majority of the population being vaccinated against polio.

We pretty much have no hope of eradicating covid because so many anti-vaxxers are moving the goalposts again and again and are refusing to get vaccinated, no matter how safe and effective the covid vaccines are.

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shut the fuck up and get the fucking vaccine are my thoughts

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quick and dirty rundown on how your system acquires immunity.

when a white cell 'consumes' a pathogen, it breaks it up into chunks and takes those chunks and sticks them on receptors on the outside of the cell. then it goes to the lymph nodes and starts bumping into T-cells. eventually it finds one that activates when it touches a bit of pathogen particle that it can recognize. then it starts producing antibodies specific to that antigen, and that's how you get immunity.

now the difference between vaccine initiated and infection initiated immunity is that with an infection you dont know what portion of the pathogen the immune system will see first and start off the immune response from. with the vaccine they target a sprike protein, which is a common surface protein on the viral package and easily available for lots of antibodies to attach to. for an infection generated immune response your immune system might generate antibodies targeting some other protein that is much less common on the surface of the virus, or maybe only produced when the virus is within infected cells.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Well that's a first, I've never seen someone downplay scientifically sound nutritional information in regards to public health because it's "vegan propaganda" quite like that before.

Reminds me of this meme.

this is the equivalent of telling a person dying of skin cancer that if they just used sun screen they'd never get skin cancer...

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monkmith posted...

quick and dirty rundown on how your system acquires immunity.

when a white cell 'consumes' a pathogen, it breaks it up into chunks and takes those chunks and sticks them on receptors on the outside of the cell. then it goes to the lymph nodes and starts bumping into T-cells. eventually it finds one that activates when it touches a bit of pathogen particle that it can recognize. then it starts producing antibodies specific to that antigen, and that's how you get immunity.

now the difference between vaccine initiated and infection initiated immunity is that with an infection you dont know what portion of the pathogen the immune system will see first and start off the immune response from. with the vaccine they target a sprike protein, which is a common surface protein on the viral package and easily available for lots of antibodies to attach to. for an infection generated immune response your immune system might generate antibodies targeting some other protein that is much less common on the surface of the virus, or maybe only produced when the virus is within infected cells.

Interesting, thanks for the info

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We invented medicine. We don't need to rely on holistic approaches

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Compsognathus posted...

Even if a vegan diet does help reduce COVID severity, that doesn't mean you shouldn't also get a safe, freely available, and now FDA-approved vaccine to help make yourself even more protected.

It certainly does, and that's precisely why I used this image to emphasize the point of not treating the vaccine like a miracle cure, which is part of the reason why we have more cases is people parading around like they are untouchable. The systemic improvement of immune system function in a population over the long-term is widely disregarded in favor of having a temporary short-term bandaid, and the actual problem is never being solved.

monkmith posted...

this is the equivalent of telling a person dying of skin cancer that if they just used sun screen they'd never get skin cancer...

No, it's exactly what it looks like: people that are elderly and/or with chronic diseases, the very ones that are most vulnerable to Covid in the first place, are lining up for a miracle vaccine and thinking everything will be fine and dandy, ignoring their own actual self-improvement of their health through diet and lifestyle choices.

hockeybub89 posted...

We invented medicine. We don't need to rely on holistic approaches

Medicine will only go so far. You cannot treat just one part of an organ system, as they all rely on each other for support and homeostasis. Covid affects the cardiorespiratory system, which provides oxygen and nutrients to the whole body. Everyone should be doing things that boost your rate of healthy oxygen, antioxidants, proper blood flow, and remove anything that can block or impede those, like saturated fats and cigarettes.

Statins will lower your cholesterol, but those have side effects. Being more of a vegetarian can lower your cholesterol too, and there's basically zero drawbacks to that.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Medicine will only go so far. You cannot treat just one part of an organ system, as they all rely on each other for support and homeostasis. Covid affects the cardiorespiratory system, which provides oxygen and nutrients to the whole body. Everyone should be doing things that boost your rate of healthy oxygen, antioxidants, proper blood flow, and remove anything that can block or impede those, like saturated fats and cigarettes.

Statins will lower your cholesterol, but those have side effects. Being more of a vegetarian can lower your cholesterol too, and there's basically zero drawbacks to that.

Again, vaccines and high vaccine acceptance have been the only way we have eradicated any virus, historically.

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Guys, slow down. We have an expert in this topic.

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Lol "healthy oxygen"

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