Current Events > I wanna know how the same company that made FF7R and XIV

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was able to crap out FFXV after 10 years and call it good.

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different directors and people involved

You really answered your own question.

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To be fair, XIV nearly bankrupt the company when it first came out and had to be more or less remade from the ground up in one of the most legendary comeback stories in gaming.

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Remember that the version of XIV we have now isn't the one they originally sold. The first version was a dumpster fire and they had to start over to make it good.

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I wouldn't call 7 remake good either

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Oh so that's why the call it a realm reborn... WoW should do that too.

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xiv 1.0 was so bad that they had to get a dragon to hatch out of a moon to burn it down before they could fix it

FabIe posted...

Oh so that's why the call it a realm reborn... WoW should do that too.

There's been a lot of talk around doing a WoW reborn, but honestly I don't think that path works for them. XIV had only been out about a year when they handed off the reins to YoshiP and they did a lot to make the original players feel appreciated for sticking around. It's a lot easier to fix one year of bad development than 17 years of one system being dumped on top of another.

There are a couple of youtube documentaries on A Realm Reborn and it's worth watching at least one. What Square pulled off with XIV is something that feels almost impossible to replicate.

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WoW reborn is literally classic.

They should work on a sequel to WoW it's been 17 years it's time for something completely fresh

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Let's not put FF7R in the same category as FFXIV just yet. It's in the hands of Tetsuya "I make convoluted spinoffs" Nomura and they've already announced 2 mobile games, "The First Soldier" and "Ever Crisis". Those will likely be canon, just like the handheld games were canon for Kingdom Hearts.

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xv is fun, the story is just mediocre because ffxiv's failure and ffxiii lack luster sales scared them off from doing a trilogy and they couldn't figure out how to condense the story back down. Gameplays fine, the brotrip is great, Ardyn is a great villian with a great backstory, literally ramen side mission.

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I wonder how Square Enix made one of the best action rpgs (Kingdom Hearts 2) to making FF7remake

Deuceswild posted...

The gameplay for Remake is fine, it's the addition of convoluted story elements (which you know are gonna get worse because of Kitase and Nomura) that hurt the experience.

And the really poorly done sidequests that in every way are a clear step down from the main storyline.

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NoxObscuras posted...

Let's not put FF7R in the same category as FFXIV just yet. It's in the hands of Tetsuya "I make convoluted spinoffs" Nomura and they've already announced 2 mobile games, "The First Soldier" and "Ever Crisis". Those will likely be canon, just like the handheld games were canon for Kingdom Hearts.

I think thats just something square does after a huge financial failure. They milk Final Fantasy VII.

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I Like Toast posted...

xv is fun, the story is just mediocre because ffxiv's failure and ffxiii lack luster sales scared them off from doing a trilogy and they couldn't figure out how to condense the story back down. Gameplays fine, the brotrip is great, Ardyn is a great villian with a great backstory, literally ramen side mission.

Wasnt 15 originally FF13 Versus

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Alpha218 posted...

Wasnt 15 originally FF13 Versus

Yup

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Alpha218 posted...

Wasnt 15 originally FF13 Versus

next to nothing survived from that point beyond being more action rpg than your typical final fantasy, but yes that was the first trailer way back when.

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FFXV is better than FF7R

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My body is ready for FF7R : Ultimate Gold Deluxe Hyper Turbo Game of the Generation Director's Cut out in PS7 by 2035

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Irony posted...

FFXV is better than FF7R

It absolutely is not.

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Irony posted...

FFXV is better than FF7R

Lmao. Wait are you serious?

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Deuceswild posted...

The gameplay for Remake is fine, it's the addition of convoluted story elements (which you know are gonna get worse because of Kitase and Nomura) that hurt the experience.

Nomura had nothing to do with that, it was just Kitase who wanted to go nuts with the story. Nomura reigned him in

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FabIe posted...

It absolutely is not.

It factually is. Your fanboyism is showing

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Irony posted...

It factually is. Your fanboyism is showing

No, FFXV is legitimately bad and uninspired. And for the record, my favorites are 9, 4, and 10.

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Playing FF7R on PS5 and it's everything I dreamed of

too bad they're going to royally fuck up any and all emotional impact people felt from the original game by making it a "change the future" plot line for some reason

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The company didnt call it good the players called it good

DarthAragorn posted...

I wouldn't call 7 remake good either

me neither i call it great!

FabIe posted...

was able to crap out FFXV after 10 years and call it good.

Different teams worked on both. The lead producers for FF7R was the producer for FFXIV:ARR

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Irony posted...

FFXV is better than FF7R

I remember when Conan did a Clueless Gamer for FFXV. Towards the end of the video, he was informed that some of the people who'd worked on the game had been invited to the studio, and he stopped playing to go apologize to them for ripping on the game as hard as he did.

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I try to accept different opinions existing, but I will never understand 15 defense force members.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

I try to accept different opinions existing, but I will never understand 15 defense force members.

Not trying to be rude, but I don't think they grasp good storytelling. The amount of shit that was fragmented in that game with different medias was bad enough, but even I was willing to let that pass. Only for the game to be even worse with its story and pacing. Fucking hell, I've never played a more incomplete RPG in my life in terms of those aspects.

Such a disappointment. And for those saying I'm a hater, I bought everything of the game. I pre-ordered the ultimate collectors edition, got the movie, anime, the Play arts figure, everything. And even as a major FF fan I think it was a total letdown.

Also fuck those DLCs they released. It was only a kick in a face to people who were expecting an actual full story to be told in the first place, without having to pay EVEN MORE to get that story told. And it didn't even fix all the problems with the story as well.

Thats not counting the fact that they updated parts of the main game for the story/game to flow better. There were problems everywhere with the game.

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mattymad posted...

I played in the original XIV beta, it was terrible. I even said this game will flop if it launches in this state, this was a month or two before the release and I knew they didn't have enough time to fix it.

The game was literally BROKEN. Like the most basic things didn't work, such as level/class restrictions on gear. And the level scaling on the mobs was broken too. There were some enemies that it said should be a pushover for you that would stomp you and even if you killed it you got no exp. The opposite also existed, mobs that said they were impossible for your current level but you could stomp them and get a shed load of exp.

Plus, all classes could use abilities learnt as other classes. So everyone built the exact same way as some of the skills were flat out broken on overpoweredness, so you had to grind to get it or you sucked.

Yeah it was a shitshow. I still wish I made a character at least and played through it, just so that I could be a Legacy Warrior of Light in the game now. I really regret not having the Legacy tattoo and storyline for ARR. It even effects parts of the story up until Shadowbringers I heard.

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I'm not even talking about the story, people can have disagreements, somehow, on any story. It's people who defend the gameplay that confuse me. And also people who say Ardyn is a great villain and then lists 5 reasons that aren't in the game, but mostly the gameplay defenders. It's so mindnumbingly bad. You can literally hold down the attack button and the game will auto combo. You can spam Warp strike. You hold the dodge button to not get hit and if you do you just warp away to heal. And then if you die, you don't actually die. You get five-hundred minutes to heal yourself. Everything other than basic attacks have iframes. And I have to go farm between fights if I want to use magic. It's like a Nintendo easy mode to a game where you basically don't even properly play it, but they forgot to add a normal mode for people who don't want that. And there's not even more than like 2 proper bosses to actually test out the game system. The Leviathan boss could be a cutscene and it would make no difference.

There's no excitement in exploration, there's barely any treasure, and any there is is represented by a shiny pickup on the ground rather than a satisfying treasure box opening to signify significance. The only real thing is the kings weapons or whatever they were called.

The world is fucking barren and lifeless. You can't even have conversations with the shopkeeps at the pitstops you visit.

Chapter 13 is one of the worst things ever made in the history of videogames.

There's things to like in the game, I'm not saying that. But the whole is just fucking awful to play.

Still better than XIII, though.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

I try to accept different opinions existing, but I will never understand 15 defense force members.

They didn't mind its flaws and still had fun with it.

Its not complicated.

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It's worth remembering that some people may have not played XV until the Royal Edition came out, which added significant content, especially in the second half, that fixes quite a few issues with the story. So people's initial launch impressions are going to be very different from people's initial Royal Edition impressions.

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FFXV was fun and fresh, it was just also a goddamn disaster, but I don't see why we need to hold that against it.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

It's so mindnumbingly bad. You can literally hold down the attack button and the game will auto combo.

so every final fantasy in existence, except xii where you didn't even need to hold a button you could just automate it even easier.

DeadBankerDream posted...

You can't even have conversations with the shopkeeps at the pitstops you visit.

again, like nearly every final fantasy in existence.

it's easy to spot people who just jump on a hate brigade and repeat what someone else told them and never actually thought about it.


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After playing FF15 and KH3 I was super nervous about them making a TWEWY sequel, but now I'm more surprised at how good that sequel is when looking back at the other big games they've crapped out in recent years.

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