Current Events > Why are people criticizing Afghanistan troop withdrawal?

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I mean we only went there for one reason to get those responsible for 911 (osama) and we did, mission accomplished right?

Maybe cause taliban now owns the country?

People complain about being there, people complain about leaving. Doesn't matter what it is, people will complain. Truth of the matter is, we should have been gone.


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WingsOfGood posted...

Maybe cause taliban now owns the country?

And they didn't before?

The Afghanistan people clearly want this - or at least aren't fighting against it.

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RedZaraki posted...

The Afghanistan people clearly want this -

Why so many people trying to leave then?

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Because apparently we are the World Police/Babysitter

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RedZaraki posted...

The Afghanistan people clearly want this - or at least aren't fighting against it.

I was with you until this. What a fucking dumb take lmfao

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RedZaraki posted...

The Afghanistan people clearly want this

Is that why there were miles-long traffic jams at the Kabul airport, and people literally hanging onto the sides of planes as they're taking off and falling to their deaths?

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We should have at least gotten everyone out who wanted out. We just set up the nation for a genocide. We abandoned thousands of people to be murdered and raped

Afghanistan isn't really a country. It's a bunch of tribes who don't give a shit, won't work together, and won't oppose the Taliban as long as they let them live. You can't make that into a democracy strong enough to fend off the Taliban.

Probably because we're seeing the fruits of a 20 year, 500k lives, $2 trillion dollar invest go up in flames before we even truly got boots off the ground.

Is that not worth criticizing?

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Zikten posted...

We should have at least gotten everyone out who wanted out. We just set up the nation for a genocide. We abandoned thousands of people to be murdered and raped

And which country would have received all the Afghan civilians?

Because as of now Canada has only accepted like 20k refugees

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Maybe set up UN camps for them somewhere

Bc we did the same for syria

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Squall28 posted...

Why so many people trying to leave then?

Kabul has a population of 5 million. Not a lot of people are leaving if you see it proportionally.

WingsOfGood posted...

Maybe cause taliban now owns the country?

not our problem

The right was praising Trump's deal with the Taliban that finally got us out of Afghanistan until Biden completed it.

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TurtleInFreedom posted...

Kabul has a population of 5 million. Not a lot of people are leaving if you see it proportionally.

"the USA has a population of over 300 million. the number of covid deaths isn't a big deal if you look at it proportionally"

One side = too much time, money and lives invested just to give it back.

Other side = fuck those guys.


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SwiggitySwoogit posted...

Afghanistan isn't really a country. It's a bunch of tribes who don't give a shit, won't work together, and won't oppose the Taliban as long as they let them live. You can't make that into a democracy strong enough to fend off the Taliban.

You've never heard of Afghanistan in the 60s-80s. It was the best Era for Afghanistan in terms off freedom. But the soviet war and following civil war did a number and pushed Afghanistan back several decades. Many parties are at fault gerre, but the U. S. did create the Taliban (founded in Pakistan) to fight off the Russians. The Taliban split in two with the extremist faction we know today went rogue and took over Afghanistan in the mid 90s to 2001. The majority of Taliban are coming from Pakistan, and the Pakistani government are not doing anything about it. They need to be sanctioned.. There's also a lot of corruption in the with the previous president (Karzai) Afghanistan making deals with the Taliban.

Maybe the Afghan government didn't learn anything from the u.s. for the past 20 years, it was but it's not like the U. S. stuck around because they cared.


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sabrestorm posted...

not our problem

We fucking caused this. So yea, it's our responsibility

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

One side = too much time, money and lives invested just to give it back.

Other side = fuck those guys.

Damn guess we should have stayed forever

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Because the media is very selective in what they cover. They never cared about the American troops or Afghan civilians that were dying over the past 10+ years. Now they're making it seem like Afghanistan was a great place until Biden did this. And posters here are too clueless to realize they're being misled.

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dolomedes posted...

to answer the topic: because it should have happened 20 years ago

This is what I came here to say.

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Shop owners painting over posters of women at a beauty salon because they're afraid of brutal retaliation by the Taliban.

• A tearful Afghan reporter appeared at the White House today begging for Biden not to abandon them.
• The first female mayor of an Afghan town says she expects to be murdered.
• The laughable US intelligence said the Taliban wouldn't move back in for 20 years. They instead retook the country before we were even fully out.
• This is being compared to the fall of Saigon, where the North Vietnamese retook the city as we were pulling out. People were left behind as cargo planes full of people desperately tried to escape before being killed.

In short, we fucked up. BAD.

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Because it's something for Republicans to point fingers at

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

Because it's something for Republicans to point fingers at

Wrong.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/kabul-bidens-saigon-images-chaotic-090348336.html

Republicans weren't the only people to see parallels: It does feel like the fall of Saigon today," Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich.

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Afghan family fleeing their home in the northern province.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2021/08/16/afghanistan-fall-kabul-fall-saigon-vietnam-horror/8146925002/

I was in third grade in Saigon in the spring of 1975. Dad, a former South Vietnamese lieutenant fluent in several languages, was a managing editor of an English-language weekly called the Vietnam Sun. He told Mom the end of our world was coming with the advance of North Vietnamese communist forces. She made cloth backpacks for us five kids, ages 8 to 3, and bought us tennis shoes for the first time in case we had to literally run from Vietnam through highways and forests to refugee camps in neighboring countries. He bought poison. If we cant make it out, thered be a last supper. He didn't want to watch his kids suffer.

Try to put you politics and finger pointing aside and realize we fucked up. We abandoned these people.

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RedZaraki posted...

The Afghanistan people clearly want this - or at least aren't fighting against it.

The women probably dont, even if theyve been groomed into believing they do

BeyondWalls posted...

Afghan family fleeing their home in the northern province.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2021/08/16/afghanistan-fall-kabul-fall-saigon-vietnam-horror/8146925002/

Try to put you politics and finger pointing aside and realize we fucked up. We abandoned these people.

Yeah we fucked up by going there in the first place. Clearly we can't nation-build and this is a reminder to us all that it's time to stop waging these endless wars. Hundreds of thousands have died, including thousands of Americans. People like you who support endless war truly baffle me.

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RedZaraki posted...

The Afghanistan people clearly want this - or at least aren't fighting against it.

That's like me kicking you in the nuts and saying "well, you didn't ask me not to so"
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BeyondWalls posted...

This is being compared to the fall of Saigon, where the North Vietnamese retook the city as we were pulling out. People were left behind as cargo planes full of people desperately tried to escape before being killed.

The lesson of which was not "we should have stayed in Vietnam in perpetuity"

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Ooooooranges posted...

Yeah we fucked up by going there in the first place. Clearly we can't nation-build and this is a reminder to us all that it's time to stop waging these endless wars. Hundreds of thousands have died, including thousands of Americans. People like you who support endless war truly baffle me.

Despite your bullshit about "endless wars," we were making progress in Afghanistan. It was slow going. No doubt. The job wasn't going to be finished anytime soon. No question. But the country was changing. The first female mayor. Girls in school. We were making a difference. We made these people promises and then abandoned them at the drop of a hat. America shouldn't get to just break a country and then walk away like, "oops. my bad." We have a commitment to those people.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Despite your bullshit about "endless wars," we were making progress in Afghanistan. It was slow going. No doubt. The job wasn't going to be finished anytime soon. No question. But the country was changing. The first female mayor. Girls in school. We were making a difference. We made these people promises and then abandoned them at the drop of a hat. America shouldn't get to just break a country and then walk away like, "oops. my bad." We have a commitment to those people.

Holy shit you're completely delusional. Good lord I didn't think anyone would make an argument this dumb. I guess I've seen it all now.

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BeyondWalls posted...

Despite your bulls*** about "endless wars," we were making progress in Afghanistan.

in terms of their military self-defense capability, no we were not

us leaving wasn't out of the blue--it was negotiated by trump admin people, with the taliban+afghan government, and generally agreed to by democrats.

the idea was that we would leave, and the hundreds of billions of dollars of military equipment we gave them would ensure they would be safe

instead what happened was the troops entrusted with that hardware deserted repeatedly and left it lying there, and the taliban took it and used it. cities that should have been costly for the taliban to seize were taken with minimal casualties and they became stronger over time, instead of weaker in the theoretical war of attrition.

meanwhile, the government continued to lose troops to desertion, not battle.

if this sounds like iraq it's because it also happened in iraq with ISIS

the men trained to fight for these democracies we have set up have zero faith in them

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BeyondWalls posted...

Despite your bullshit about "endless wars," we were making progress in Afghanistan. It was slow going. No doubt. The job wasn't going to be finished anytime soon. No question. But the country was changing. The first female mayor. Girls in school. We were making a difference. We made these people promises and then abandoned them at the drop of a hat. America shouldn't get to just break a country and then walk away like, "oops. my bad." We have a commitment to those people.

We didn't break a country Afghanistan was already under Taliban rule when we first got there

If the Department of Defense listened to me the first time since Obama's first term.

We should have built World Devastators and picked the country clean.

And anyone else who wants some.

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