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Beveren_Rabbit 08/09/21 9:44:42 PM #1:	and "Batman, but okay with killing" gets too much hypocritical love --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:956938046] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>and "Batman, but okay with killing" gets too much hypocritical love</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pegusus123456 08/09/21 9:45:24 PM #2:	I've seen the opposite more than this tbh. --- https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT https://imgur.com/Er6TT So? I deeded to some gay porn. It doesn't mean anything. - Patty_Fleur <cite>pegusus123456 posted [p:956938071] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>I've seen the opposite more than this tbh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRadiant 08/09/21 9:46:10 PM #3:	Superman, but evil is just lazy --- She/her <cite>TheRadiant posted [p:956938092] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Superman, but evil is just lazy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 08/09/21 9:47:33 PM #4:	I really liked Red Son. They had the balls to make Superman one of Stalin's closest friends, he tries in vain to save his life, and Superman's ascent to world dictator is completely paved with good intentions. The animated movie ruined all that and some other details, particularly The Single Sentence. --- https://imgur.com/u5kY6Yt https://imgur.com/V6HBhkR <cite>Doe posted [p:956938127] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>I really liked Red Son. They had the balls to make Superman one of Stalin's closest friends, he tries in vain to save his life, and Superman's ascent to world dictator is completely paved with good intentions. The animated movie ruined all that and some other details, particularly The Single Sentence. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 08/09/21 9:49:31 PM #5:	What are you talking about, Superman but evil is basically the premise of two of the most popular, critically acclaimed superhero tv shows currently running. Three if you expand it to recently aired shows and include Superman but nihilist in there. --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:956938181] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>What are you talking about, Superman but evil is basically the premise of two of the most popular, critically acclaimed superhero tv shows currently running. Three if you expand it to recently aired shows and include Superman but nihilist in there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 08/12/21 2:26:53 AM #6:	That's one of the driving points of Grappler Baki, which is very popular in Japan and gaining traction here. The whole world just has to deal with this guy who's an unstoppable asshole. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:957007740] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>That's one of the driving points of Grappler Baki, which is very popular in Japan and gaining traction here. The whole world just has to deal with this guy who's an unstoppable asshole. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/12/21 2:30:35 AM #7:	TheRadiant posted... Superman, but evil is just lazy Which "Superman, but evil" story do you feel is lazy? Because there's extensive story and plot development in both Injustice and Red Son justifying evil Superman. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957007788] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>TheRadiant posted... </cite> <quote>Superman, but evil is just lazy</quote> Which "Superman, but evil" story do you feel is lazy? Because there's extensive story and plot development in both Injustice and Red Son justifying evil Superman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ricemills 08/12/21 2:32:58 AM #8:	Tyranthraxus posted... Which "Superman, but evil" story do you feel is lazy? The Boys and Invincible? those are the most popular evil superman shows right now. --- You have the right to remain silent. Anything you posted will be misquoted, then be used against you. http://error1355.com/ce/Ricemills.html <cite>Ricemills posted [p:957007819] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Which "Superman, but evil" story do you feel is lazy?</quote> The Boys and Invincible? those are the most popular evil superman shows right now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/12/21 2:35:36 AM #9:	Ricemills posted... The Boys and Invincible? those are the most popular evil superman shows right now. Okay I mean those aren't actually Superman. They might be heavily inspired but that's a bigger deal since it takes way more effort to create your own original setting than just taking an existing character and going "here's my evil AU" --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957007847] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Ricemills posted... </cite> <quote>The Boys and Invincible? those are the most popular evil superman shows right now.</quote> Okay I mean those aren't actually Superman. They might be heavily inspired but that's a bigger deal since it takes way more effort to create your own original setting than just taking an existing character and going "here's my evil AU" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wii_Shaker 08/12/21 2:36:07 AM #10:	Doe posted... I really liked Red Son. They had the balls to make Superman one of Stalin's closest friends, he tries in vain to save his life, and Superman's ascent to world dictator is completely paved with good intentions. The animated movie ruined all that and some other details, particularly The Single Sentence. I agree. The Red Sun graphic novel was done incredibly well. The problem with "Superman but Evil" is that like vanilla Superman, there's only so much you can do with that type of character. I thought Homelander was a good example of "Superman but Evil" but the character only has so much depth. --- "He busted in, blessed be the Lord Who believe any mess they read up on a message board" -MF DOOM 1970-2020 (G.O.A.T.) <cite>Wii_Shaker posted [p:957007856] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>I really liked Red Son. They had the balls to make Superman one of Stalin's closest friends, he tries in vain to save his life, and Superman's ascent to world dictator is completely paved with good intentions. The animated movie ruined all that and some other details, particularly The Single Sentence.</quote>I agree. The Red Sun graphic novel was done incredibly well. The problem with "Superman but Evil" is that like vanilla Superman, there's only so much you can do with that type of character. I thought Homelander was a good example of "Superman but Evil" but the character only has so much depth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
archedsoul 08/12/21 2:38:27 AM #11:	Ehh, it's always not-Superman becoming evil. I want a proper actual evil Superman. We already did Bats killing people. I think Injustice is the best one and I really wanted to see that if Snyder's JL future wasn't cut short. MrToothHasYou posted... What are you talking about, Superman but evil is basically the premise of two of the most popular, critically acclaimed superhero tv shows currently running. Three if you expand it to recently aired shows and include Superman but nihilist in there. What's the last one? --- "Fear cuts deeper than swords." <cite>archedsoul posted [p:957007874] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Ehh, it's always not-Superman becoming evil. I want a proper actual evil Superman. We already did Bats killing people. I think Injustice is the best one and I really wanted to see that if Snyder's JL future wasn't cut short. MrToothHasYou posted... </cite> <quote>What are you talking about, Superman but evil is basically the premise of two of the most popular, critically acclaimed superhero tv shows currently running. Three if you expand it to recently aired shows and include Superman but nihilist in there.</quote>What's the last one? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 08/12/21 2:40:52 AM #12:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... and "Batman, but okay with killing" gets too much hypocritical love Batman who was ok with killing was one of the best non-canon batman stories they have ever told. Flashpoint Paradox which featured Thomas Wayne instead of Bruce Wayne was a ridiculously good story of what happens when Bruce died instead of his parents. His mother going insane and turning into the joker, Thomas diving straight into crime fighting where instead of the years of training Bruce had, he chose to eliminate his enemies which made them scared to commit crimes out in the open. <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:957007901] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite> <quote>and "Batman, but okay with killing" gets too much hypocritical love</quote> Batman who was ok with killing was one of the best non-canon batman stories they have ever told. Flashpoint Paradox which featured Thomas Wayne instead of Bruce Wayne was a ridiculously good story of what happens when Bruce died instead of his parents. His mother going insane and turning into the joker, Thomas diving straight into crime fighting where instead of the years of training Bruce had, he chose to eliminate his enemies which made them scared to commit crimes out in the open. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kim_Seong-a 08/12/21 2:47:16 AM #13:	Batman was okay with offing goons when he was conceived, and his stories didnt suffer for it. The "no killing" mantra is done extremely poorly, and the only time it was even a little bit compelling was during Under the Red Hood, which, ironically, shines a light on how hypocritical and nonsensical it is. Superman But Evil is only maligned because its become passe, which, to be fair, is a valid reason to not like something. It'd be nice to see a Superman character depicted without 40 layers of deconstruction and cynicism. I heard good things about the new Supes and Lois show, but havent got around to watching it yet. >_> --- https://imgur.com/a/fqY7axi <cite>Kim_Seong-a posted [p:957007970] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Batman was okay with offing goons when he was conceived, and his stories didnt suffer for it. The "no killing" mantra is done extremely poorly, and the only time it was even a little bit compelling was during Under the Red Hood, which, ironically, shines a light on how hypocritical and nonsensical it is. Superman But Evil is only maligned because its become passe, which, to be fair, is a valid reason to not like something. It'd be nice to see a Superman character depicted without 40 layers of deconstruction and cynicism. I heard good things about the new Supes and Lois show, but havent got around to watching it yet. >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 2:52:19 AM #14:	I liked red son superman. Overall I liked injustice. Not superman so much but the story in general Id like to see a injustice like story but with batman being the villain. Could make a great story where he 1 by 1 starts taking down the justice league with his contingency plans all while hiding in some dark corner of the world where they won't find him until the inevitable showdown between him and superman. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957008040] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>I liked red son superman. Overall I liked injustice. Not superman so much but the story in general Id like to see a injustice like story but with batman being the villain. Could make a great story where he 1 by 1 starts taking down the justice league with his contingency plans all while hiding in some dark corner of the world where they won't find him until the inevitable showdown between him and superman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivany2008 08/12/21 2:54:21 AM #15:	mooreandrew58 posted... I liked red son superman. Overall I liked injustice. Not superman so much but the story in general Id like to see a injustice like story but with batman being the villain. Could make a great story where he 1 by 1 starts taking down the justice league with his contingency plans all while hiding in some dark corner of the world where they won't find him until the inevitable showdown between him and superman. Isn't that essentially what the Owlman saga was in Justice League? An alternate reality Batman who wants to end all universes? <cite>Ivany2008 posted [p:957008058] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted... </cite> <quote>I liked red son superman. Overall I liked injustice. Not superman so much but the story in general Id like to see a injustice like story but with batman being the villain. Could make a great story where he 1 by 1 starts taking down the justice league with his contingency plans all while hiding in some dark corner of the world where they won't find him until the inevitable showdown between him and superman.</quote> Isn't that essentially what the Owlman saga was in Justice League? An alternate reality Batman who wants to end all universes? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 3:00:44 AM #16:	Ivany2008 posted... Isn't that essentially what the Owlman saga was in Justice League? An alternate reality Batman who wants to end all universes? Not really what I was thinking. Im thinking a evil batman that still thinks hes the hero of the story kinda villain. More like the alternate reality batman from justice league animated series where Gotham was so strict people where getting arrested for the most petty of crimes. Cept its just batman being that much of a dick and not the police too. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957008134] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Ivany2008 posted... </cite> <quote>Isn't that essentially what the Owlman saga was in Justice League? An alternate reality Batman who wants to end all universes?</quote> Not really what I was thinking. Im thinking a evil batman that still thinks hes the hero of the story kinda villain. More like the alternate reality batman from justice league animated series where Gotham was so strict people where getting arrested for the most petty of crimes. Cept its just batman being that much of a dick and not the police too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 08/12/21 3:24:03 AM #17:	the closest thing to a superman game in the past decade, injustice, is about evil superman. the only superman show on tv has an evil superman subplot. the dceu was teased to eventually lead to a future with evil superman. then we have the boys and invincible. it looks a bit derivative --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:957008381] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>the closest thing to a superman game in the past decade, injustice, is about evil superman. the only superman show on tv has an evil superman subplot. the dceu was teased to eventually lead to a future with evil superman. then we have the boys and invincible. it looks a bit derivative </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EyeWontBeFooled 08/12/21 3:39:25 AM #18:	Doe posted... I really liked Red Son. They had the balls to make Superman one of Stalin's closest friends, he tries in vain to save his life, and Superman's ascent to world dictator is completely paved with good intentions. The animated movie ruined all that and some other details, particularly The Single Sentence. Wait, even the single sentence? Booooo --- Welcome to the Brave New World of 1984! Current temp: Fahrenheit 451 It's never a bad day, and always a good night, so BE HAPPY and enjoy your stay! <cite>EyeWontBeFooled posted [p:957008563] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Doe posted... </cite> <quote>I really liked Red Son. They had the balls to make Superman one of Stalin's closest friends, he tries in vain to save his life, and Superman's ascent to world dictator is completely paved with good intentions. The animated movie ruined all that and some other details, particularly The Single Sentence.</quote>Wait, even the single sentence? Booooo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 08/12/21 3:45:55 AM #19:	Superman fans are a little tired of non-Superman fans trying to rewrite the character to align with their own justifications or edgy people just wanting to make anything edgy. It's a frequent tease as well, to the point where it's not even something that is exciting anymore. It also paints Superman as somebody who is secretly a psychotic time-bomb underneath it all, which again, is disrespectful to the character, and the fans of him. I do think Red Son is actually a really good version of the "Evil Superman" but for the most part, it's just either a story to give Batman some glory due to DC's hyperactive love of him to their downfall, or someone's power fantasy story that ends up becoming something like Invincible (which I love btw since I don't consider Invincible necessarily an Evil Superman story) but with less blood since it's still Superman and they don't want to make him rated R. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 33, 500th posts: 31; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:957008631] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Superman fans are a little tired of non-Superman fans trying to rewrite the character to align with their own justifications or edgy people just wanting to make anything edgy. It's a frequent tease as well, to the point where it's not even something that is exciting anymore. It also paints Superman as somebody who is secretly a psychotic time-bomb underneath it all, which again, is disrespectful to the character, and the fans of him. I do think Red Son is actually a really good version of the "Evil Superman" but for the most part, it's just either a story to give Batman some glory due to DC's hyperactive love of him to their downfall, or someone's power fantasy story that ends up becoming something like Invincible (which I love btw since I don't consider Invincible necessarily an Evil Superman story) but with less blood since it's still Superman and they don't want to make him rated R. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/12/21 9:44:37 AM #20:	The Boys and Invincible was written 20 years ago. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:957013562] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>The Boys and Invincible was written 20 years ago.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 08/12/21 10:14:30 AM #21:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... The Boys and Invincible was written 20 years ago. The Boys and Invincible are more popular now than ever. --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:957014270] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted...</cite> <quote>The Boys and Invincible was written 20 years ago.</quote> The Boys and Invincible are more popular now than ever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/12/21 10:18:24 AM #22:	The Boys and Invincible get too much hate for "Superman, but evil" since they were written long before the idea was more common. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:957014363] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>The Boys and Invincible get too much hate for "Superman, but evil" since they were written long before the idea was more common.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RchHomieQuanChi 08/12/21 10:18:29 AM #23:	Honestly, the "Superman but evil" stories are overplayed and lazy (of course with the exception of The Boys and Invincible). Superman without what fundamentally makes him Superman is indistinguishable from any other super strong/flying supervillain. Now an anti-hero, jaded Superman could be an interesting take. --- I have nothing else to say <cite>RchHomieQuanChi posted [p:957014365] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Honestly, the "Superman but evil" stories are overplayed and lazy (of course with the exception of The Boys and Invincible). Superman without what fundamentally makes him Superman is indistinguishable from any other super strong/flying supervillain. Now an anti-hero, jaded Superman could be an interesting take. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/12/21 10:19:07 AM #24:	RchHomieQuanChi posted... Now an anti-hero, jaded Superman could be an interesting take. Kingdom Come --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957014384] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>RchHomieQuanChi posted... </cite> <quote>Now an anti-hero, jaded Superman could be an interesting take.</quote> Kingdom Come </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 10:25:18 AM #25:	Tyranthraxus posted... Kingdom Come Good comic. Amazing art work.seriously if you haven't read it look up Alex Ross artwork he typically only does covers (due to how long it takes to do his art style) but every panel in that comic is like a painting. And im glad they actually demonstrated the fact that on paper shazam would whoop his ass. Made his fucking eyes bleed. Also loved how all the world was pretty much a war zone but Gotham. Gotham had next to no crime. Batman finally won his war --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957014514] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Kingdom Come</quote> Good comic. Amazing art work.seriously if you haven't read it look up Alex Ross artwork he typically only does covers (due to how long it takes to do his art style) but every panel in that comic is like a painting. And im glad they actually demonstrated the fact that on paper shazam would whoop his ass. Made his fucking eyes bleed. Also loved how all the world was pretty much a war zone but Gotham. Gotham had next to no crime. Batman finally won his war </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZevLoveDOOM 08/12/21 10:26:09 AM #26:	we already got Omni-Man and Homelander. dont think we need more evil Supermen... lol <cite>ZevLoveDOOM posted [p:957014530] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>we already got Omni-Man and Homelander. dont think we need more evil Supermen... lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/12/21 10:27:53 AM #27:	mooreandrew58 posted... Good comic. Amazing art work.seriously if you haven't read it look up Alex Ross artwork he typically only does covers (due to how long it takes to do his art style) but every panel in that comic is like a painting. And im glad they actually demonstrated the fact that on paper shazam would whoop his ass. Made his fucking eyes bleed. Also loved how all the world was pretty much a war zone but Gotham. Gotham had next to no crime. Batman finally won his war I also like how the comic definitively answers "Why doesn't Batman just kill The Joker?" --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957014583] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted... </cite> <quote>Good comic. Amazing art work.seriously if you haven't read it look up Alex Ross artwork he typically only does covers (due to how long it takes to do his art style) but every panel in that comic is like a painting. And im glad they actually demonstrated the fact that on paper shazam would whoop his ass. Made his fucking eyes bleed. Also loved how all the world was pretty much a war zone but Gotham. Gotham had next to no crime. Batman finally won his war</quote> I also like how the comic definitively answers "Why doesn't Batman just kill The Joker?" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 10:28:41 AM #28:	Tyranthraxus posted... I also like how the comic definitively answers "Why doesn't Batman just kill The Joker?" I forget that part I admit. Care to remind me? Something to do with joker gives him purpose or some shit. Some weird love/hate thing? --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957014608] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>I also like how the comic definitively answers "Why doesn't Batman just kill The Joker?"</quote> I forget that part I admit. Care to remind me? Something to do with joker gives him purpose or some shit. Some weird love/hate thing? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/12/21 10:31:47 AM #29:	mooreandrew58 posted... I forget that part I admit. Care to remind me? Something to do with joker gives him purpose or some shit. Some weird love/hate thing? The Joker is already dead before the comic starts. Someone else (Magog) decided "if Batman won't do it, I will" and the fallout from that is what made Superman disillusioned with being a hero for people. Let me see if I can find a scan of they page where Magog admits he was wrong it's one of my favorite panels in all comics I'll put the last page, which is the important one in a spoiler: --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957014697] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted... </cite> <quote>I forget that part I admit. Care to remind me? Something to do with joker gives him purpose or some shit. Some weird love/hate thing?</quote> The Joker is already dead before the comic starts. Someone else (Magog) decided "if Batman won't do it, I will" and the fallout from that is what made Superman disillusioned with being a hero for people. Let me see if I can find a scan of they page where Magog admits he was wrong it's one of my favorite panels in all comics I'll put the last page, which is the important one in a spoiler: </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/12/21 11:19:29 AM #31:	Tyranthraxus posted... The Joker is already dead before the comic starts. Someone else (Magog) decided "if Batman won't do it, I will" and the fallout from that is what made Superman disillusioned with being a hero for people. Let me see if I can find a scan of they page where Magog admits he was wrong it's one of my favorite panels in all comics I'll put the last page, which is the important one in a spoiler: Wow thanks for linking this.. I haven't read much/many comics but grew up with BTAS and DCAU Timmverse. This last bit is similar to Supes saying "Right now I'm not the man who kills Luthor though heaven wishes I were" after the Luthor/ Braniac scene with Flash. On topic for the thread what did people think of Brightburn? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:957015945] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>The Joker is already dead before the comic starts. Someone else (Magog) decided "if Batman won't do it, I will" and the fallout from that is what made Superman disillusioned with being a hero for people. Let me see if I can find a scan of they page where Magog admits he was wrong it's one of my favorite panels in all comics I'll put the last page, which is the important one in a spoiler: </quote> Wow thanks for linking this.. I haven't read much/many comics but grew up with BTAS and DCAU Timmverse. This last bit is similar to Supes saying "Right now I'm not the man who kills Luthor though heaven wishes I were" after the Luthor/ Braniac scene with Flash. On topic for the thread what did people think of Brightburn? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 11:32:57 AM #32:	Tyranthraxus posted... The Joker is already dead before the comic starts. Someone else (Magog) decided "if Batman won't do it, I will" and the fallout from that is what made Superman disillusioned with being a hero for people. Let me see if I can find a scan of they page where Magog admits he was wrong it's one of my favorite panels in all comics I'll put the last page, which is the important one in a spoiler: I need to try and get a physical copy of this comic. Its one of my favorites. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957016311] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>The Joker is already dead before the comic starts. Someone else (Magog) decided "if Batman won't do it, I will" and the fallout from that is what made Superman disillusioned with being a hero for people. Let me see if I can find a scan of they page where Magog admits he was wrong it's one of my favorite panels in all comics I'll put the last page, which is the important one in a spoiler: </quote> I need to try and get a physical copy of this comic. Its one of my favorites. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 08/12/21 11:35:03 AM #33:	Trickfinger posted... the closest thing to a superman game in the past decade, injustice, is about evil superman. the only superman show on tv has an evil superman subplot. the dceu was teased to eventually lead to a future with evil superman. then we have the boys and invincible. it looks a bit derivative To be fair didn't the source material for invincible predate pretty much all that stuff? --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:957016373] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted... </cite> <quote>the closest thing to a superman game in the past decade, injustice, is about evil superman. the only superman show on tv has an evil superman subplot. the dceu was teased to eventually lead to a future with evil superman. then we have the boys and invincible. it looks a bit derivative</quote> To be fair didn't the source material for invincible predate pretty much all that stuff? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 08/12/21 11:36:25 AM #34:	it doesnt matter. those series are more popular than ever currently bc the evil superman trope is more popular than its ever been. --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:957016415] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>it doesnt matter. those series are more popular than ever currently bc the evil superman trope is more popular than its ever been. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tommybel89 08/12/21 11:41:57 AM #35:	Forget Evil Superman. The actual DCEU movies made him pretty much evil by default! --- Go Leafs Go http://www.last.fm/user/Disposableher0 <cite>tommybel89 posted [p:957016568] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Forget Evil Superman. The actual DCEU movies made him pretty much evil by default! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trickfinger 08/12/21 11:45:06 AM #36:	tommybel89 posted... Forget Evil Superman. The actual DCEU movies made him pretty much evil by default! He does eventually become evil in dceu canon... --- I survived reading guys like you <cite>Trickfinger posted [p:957016647] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>tommybel89 posted...</cite> <quote>Forget Evil Superman. The actual DCEU movies made him pretty much evil by default! </quote> He does eventually become evil in dceu canon...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 11:47:41 AM #37:	tommybel89 posted... Forget Evil Superman. The actual DCEU movies made him pretty much evil by default! Wat? Is it cause as a newbie hero in a moment of desperation he killed someone? Batman was murking people without a second thought in those movies. Which I enjoyed I always hated his no killing rule. Understand the no guns cause he has a traumatic childhood expierence. Honestly wish more heroes in comics had wonder woman and aquamans views. If they die in combat thats fair just won't do executions. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957016718] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>tommybel89 posted... </cite> <quote>Forget Evil Superman. The actual DCEU movies made him pretty much evil by default!</quote>Wat? Is it cause as a newbie hero in a moment of desperation he killed someone? Batman was murking people without a second thought in those movies. Which I enjoyed I always hated his no killing rule. Understand the no guns cause he has a traumatic childhood expierence. Honestly wish more heroes in comics had wonder woman and aquamans views. If they die in combat thats fair just won't do executions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 08/12/21 11:55:24 AM #38:	archedsoul posted... What's the last one? HBOs Watchmen miniseries --- An Injury to One is an Injury to All https://iww.org/ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:957016943] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>archedsoul posted... </cite> <quote>What's the last one?</quote>HBOs Watchmen miniseries </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/12/21 11:58:18 AM #39:	Trickfinger posted... He does eventually become evil in dceu canon... No he doesn't. He's being mind controlled by Anti-Life in DCEU "canon" in so far as a fever dream from Batman can be considered Canon. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957017032] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Trickfinger posted... </cite> <quote>He does eventually become evil in dceu canon...</quote>No he doesn't. He's being mind controlled by Anti-Life in DCEU "canon" in so far as a fever dream from Batman can be considered Canon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 12:00:57 PM #40:	Tyranthraxus posted... No he doesn't. He's being mind controlled by Anti-Life in DCEU "canon" in so far as a fever dream from Batman can be considered Canon. Hmm dont recall the mind control part. Just assumed it was Batman's fear of a god like being and what he was capable of creeping into his dreams. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957017111] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>No he doesn't. He's being mind controlled by Anti-Life in DCEU "canon" in so far as a fever dream from Batman can be considered Canon.</quote> Hmm dont recall the mind control part. Just assumed it was Batman's fear of a god like being and what he was capable of creeping into his dreams. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tommybel89 08/12/21 12:04:23 PM #41:	I was kind of half-joking. Zack Snyder mishandled him so badly that he might as well have been evil. Das da joke. --- Go Leafs Go http://www.last.fm/user/Disposableher0 <cite>tommybel89 posted [p:957017200] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>I was kind of half-joking. Zack Snyder mishandled him so badly that he might as well have been evil. Das da joke. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/12/21 12:10:49 PM #42:	mooreandrew58 posted... Hmm dont recall the mind control part. Just assumed it was Batman's fear of a god like being and what he was capable of creeping into his dreams. The (now cancelled) ZSJL plan was this. Justice League 1 is essentially the Snyder cut. Justice League 2 Darkseid comes looking for Anti-Life. Superman goes off to fight Darkseid alone and leaves Lois in the care of Batman. Darkseid tries to use Anti-Life on Superman but it doesn't work because he's too optimistic. Darkseid realizes this and kills Lois with the Omega Beams and a despairing Superman succumbs to Anti-Life and kills Aquaman and Wonder Woman while the rest escape. Flash, Batman & friends come up with a plan to go back in time and prevent it from happening. Because of some time travel "rule" where time and space are connected it has to be done when they could be in the same spot Lois was so they only get one chance. Superman catches them however, killing them all one by one, and that's the dream at the end of ZSJL. Flash manages to go back in time to warn Batman but that's all he can do before getting killed. JL3 Having been warned by Flash, Batman realizes what he needs to do and jumps into the Omega Beams, taking the hit meant to kill Lois. Superman never succumbs to Anti-Life and defeats Darkseid, and Lois and Clark name their son Bruce. This is referenced by the Joker in ZSJL "How many timelines have you gotten everyone killed because you don't have the cojones to die yourself?" this is not a bad story in isolation but probably not a good idea for a long term cinematic universe --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:957017386] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>mooreandrew58 posted... </cite> <quote>Hmm dont recall the mind control part. Just assumed it was Batman's fear of a god like being and what he was capable of creeping into his dreams.</quote>The (now cancelled) ZSJL plan was this. Justice League 1 is essentially the Snyder cut. Justice League 2 Darkseid comes looking for Anti-Life. Superman goes off to fight Darkseid alone and leaves Lois in the care of Batman. Darkseid tries to use Anti-Life on Superman but it doesn't work because he's too optimistic. Darkseid realizes this and kills Lois with the Omega Beams and a despairing Superman succumbs to Anti-Life and kills Aquaman and Wonder Woman while the rest escape. Flash, Batman & friends come up with a plan to go back in time and prevent it from happening. Because of some time travel "rule" where time and space are connected it has to be done when they could be in the same spot Lois was so they only get one chance. Superman catches them however, killing them all one by one, and that's the dream at the end of ZSJL. Flash manages to go back in time to warn Batman but that's all he can do before getting killed. JL3 Having been warned by Flash, Batman realizes what he needs to do and jumps into the Omega Beams, taking the hit meant to kill Lois. Superman never succumbs to Anti-Life and defeats Darkseid, and Lois and Clark name their son Bruce. This is referenced by the Joker in ZSJL "How many timelines have you gotten everyone killed because you don't have the cojones to die yourself?" this is not a bad story in isolation but probably not a good idea for a long term cinematic universe </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JimmyFraska 08/12/21 12:13:04 PM #43:	I like both of those extremes honestly. <cite>JimmyFraska posted [p:957017447] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>I like both of those extremes honestly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/12/21 12:13:27 PM #44:	Tyranthraxus posted... The (now cancelled) ZSJL plan was this. Justice League 1 is essentially the Snyder cut. Justice League 2 Darkseid comes looking for Anti-Life. Superman goes off to fight Darkseid alone and leaves Lois in the care of Batman. Darkseid tries to use Anti-Life on Superman but it doesn't work because he's too optimistic. Darkseid realizes this and kills Lois with the Omega Beams and a despairing Superman succumbs to Anti-Life and kills Aquaman and Wonder Woman while the rest escape. Flash, Batman & friends come up with a plan to go back in time and prevent it from happening. Because of some time travel "rule" where time and space are connected it has to be done when they could be in the same spot Lois was so they only get one chance. Superman catches them however, killing them all one by one, and that's the dream at the end of ZSJL. Flash manages to go back in time to warn Batman but that's all he can do before getting killed. JL3 Having been warned by Flash, Batman realizes what he needs to do and jumps into the Omega Beams, taking the hit meant to kill Lois. Superman never succumbs to Anti-Life and defeats Darkseid, and Lois and Clark name their son Bruce. This is referenced by the Joker in ZSJL "How many timelines have you gotten everyone killed because you don't have the cojones to die yourself?" this is not a bad story in isolation but probably not a good idea for a long term cinematic universe I wanna see Zack Snyder cut. But get HBO max and its a 4 hour movie? That's too much. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:957017458] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>The (now cancelled) ZSJL plan was this. Justice League 1 is essentially the Snyder cut. Justice League 2 Darkseid comes looking for Anti-Life. Superman goes off to fight Darkseid alone and leaves Lois in the care of Batman. Darkseid tries to use Anti-Life on Superman but it doesn't work because he's too optimistic. Darkseid realizes this and kills Lois with the Omega Beams and a despairing Superman succumbs to Anti-Life and kills Aquaman and Wonder Woman while the rest escape. Flash, Batman & friends come up with a plan to go back in time and prevent it from happening. Because of some time travel "rule" where time and space are connected it has to be done when they could be in the same spot Lois was so they only get one chance. Superman catches them however, killing them all one by one, and that's the dream at the end of ZSJL. Flash manages to go back in time to warn Batman but that's all he can do before getting killed. JL3 Having been warned by Flash, Batman realizes what he needs to do and jumps into the Omega Beams, taking the hit meant to kill Lois. Superman never succumbs to Anti-Life and defeats Darkseid, and Lois and Clark name their son Bruce. This is referenced by the Joker in ZSJL "How many timelines have you gotten everyone killed because you don't have the cojones to die yourself?" this is not a bad story in isolation but probably not a good idea for a long term cinematic universe</quote> I wanna see Zack Snyder cut. But get HBO max and its a 4 hour movie? That's too much. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 08/12/21 12:28:13 PM #45:	Tyranthraxus posted... The (now cancelled) ZSJL plan was this. Justice League 1 is essentially the Snyder cut. Justice League 2 Darkseid comes looking for Anti-Life. Superman goes off to fight Darkseid alone and leaves Lois in the care of Batman. Darkseid tries to use Anti-Life on Superman but it doesn't work because he's too optimistic. Darkseid realizes this and kills Lois with the Omega Beams and a despairing Superman succumbs to Anti-Life and kills Aquaman and Wonder Woman while the rest escape. Flash, Batman & friends come up with a plan to go back in time and prevent it from happening. Because of some time travel "rule" where time and space are connected it has to be done when they could be in the same spot Lois was so they only get one chance. Superman catches them however, killing them all one by one, and that's the dream at the end of ZSJL. Flash manages to go back in time to warn Batman but that's all he can do before getting killed. JL3 Having been warned by Flash, Batman realizes what he needs to do and jumps into the Omega Beams, taking the hit meant to kill Lois. Superman never succumbs to Anti-Life and defeats Darkseid, and Lois and Clark name their son Bruce. This is referenced by the Joker in ZSJL "How many timelines have you gotten everyone killed because you don't have the cojones to die yourself?" this is not a bad story in isolation but probably not a good idea for a long term cinematic universe Oh wow.... and it really would have fit Affleck's Batman becoming nihilistic <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:957017867] in I think 'S... [t:79606664]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>The (now cancelled) ZSJL plan was this. Justice League 1 is essentially the Snyder cut. Justice League 2 Darkseid comes looking for Anti-Life. Superman goes off to fight Darkseid alone and leaves Lois in the care of Batman. Darkseid tries to use Anti-Life on Superman but it doesn't work because he's too optimistic. Darkseid realizes this and kills Lois with the Omega Beams and a despairing Superman succumbs to Anti-Life and kills Aquaman and Wonder Woman while the rest escape. Flash, Batman & friends come up with a plan to go back in time and prevent it from happening. Because of some time travel "rule" where time and space are connected it has to be done when they could be in the same spot Lois was so they only get one chance. Superman catches them however, killing them all one by one, and that's the dream at the end of ZSJL. Flash manages to go back in time to warn Batman but that's all he can do before getting killed. JL3 Having been warned by Flash, Batman realizes what he needs to do and jumps into the Omega Beams, taking the hit meant to kill Lois. Superman never succumbs to Anti-Life and defeats Darkseid, and Lois and Clark name their son Bruce. This is referenced by the Joker in ZSJL "How many timelines have you gotten everyone killed because you don't have the cojones to die yourself?" this is not a bad story in isolation but probably not a good idea for a long term cinematic universe</quote> Oh wow.... and it really would have fit Affleck's Batman becoming nihilistic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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