Current Events > I just beat Nier Automata *massive spoilers for full game*

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s0nicfan posted...

Honestly I ended up going with the third option specifically because I thought the two options given were both letting him down.

Effectively, when you walk away the dialogue involves you telling Pascal that part of living is learning to deal with your decisions, and handing that kind of choice off to somebody else is simply running away from your problems.

The response comes off a little bit cold and uncaring, but I felt like it was the most thematically appropriate for the game because you're telling Pascal that if he really wanted to be more like a human he has to be willing to accept this part of humanity.

Based on what I read, after this, he kills himself if you do that.

I'm pretty glad with the choice I picked, especially after knowing that lol
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Slayer_22 posted...

Based on what I read, after this, he kills himself if you do that.

I'm pretty glad with the choice I picked, especially after knowing that lol

That's not quite confirmed. If you go back in he's gone, and the log in your encyclopedia thing just says "he left" and he never comes back to the village. You could interpret that as he killed himself, but Yoko Taro isn't exactly shy about just telling you if that's the case. The hardest part of that choice is Pascal will actually call out to you and ask how you could be so cruel in walking away, but I still think it's a better choice over erasing his memory so he ends up selling the corpses of his own children back in the village and just murdering him.

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Pascal was so precious. I just hated how things end up with him if you let him live when his village gets destroyed :(

Next time, I killed him for his own sake

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s0nicfan posted...

That's not quite confirmed. If you go back in he's gone, and the log in your encyclopedia thing just says "he left" and he never comes back to the village. You could interpret that as he killed himself, but Yoko Taro isn't exactly shy about just telling you if that's the case. The hardest part of that choice is Pascal will actually call out to you and ask how you could be so cruel in walking away, but I still think it's a better choice over erasing his memory so he ends up selling the corpses of his own children back in the village and just murdering him.

I mean, that is pretty dark. But at the same time, I'm hoping Pascal gets his second chance is all.

Maybe I'm a bit too hopeful lol.
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Its a good game, you should play it. Its extremely overrated for some reason though. Theres nothing exceptionally amazing about the game. Its just good.

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Lairen posted...

Its a good game, you should play it. Its extremely overrated for some reason though. Theres nothing exceptionally amazing about the game. Its just good.

Well, I'd say the combat and story are definitely exceptionally amazing. But I suppose different strokes for different folks.
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Slayer_22 posted...

Maybe I'm a bit too hopeful lol.

Happiness? In a Nier game?

You're in for disappointment!

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

I mean, I think Automatas true ending is about as uplifting as you can get honestly

That is fair, yeah. It's just wrought with utter despair and heartbreak at every step until that point.

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I dont understand the people saying a simple explanation would stop 9S. In the heat of the moment, theres no way he would listen to A2 saying I had to do it. And in his heart of hearts, he knows what happened but doesnt care.

also why are we using spoiler tags when tc marked spoilers in the title

Kloe_Rinz posted...

I dont understand the people saying a simple explanation would stop 9S. In the heat of the moment, theres no way he would listen to A2 saying I had to do it. And in his heart of hearts, he knows what happened but doesnt care.

also why are we using spoiler tags when tc marked spoilers in the title

Exactly. The 2 moments 9S could have possibly heard what A2 did, it would not have done shit. The first time, he fell down a God damn bridge, the second time he was infected with a virus and his mind was shattered to pieces.

And I'm tagging spoilers because someone came in and expressed interest in the game, I don't wanna ruin it for them lol.

ArianaGrandSlam posted...

I mean, I think Automatas true ending is about as uplifting as you can get honestly

It is pretty much the happiest ending we could have gotten after all lol
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Yup, don't really get the issues people have with 9S at that moment. It's like they played a different game/saw a different cutscene.

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Imo, 9S was the best character in the game, followed closely by 2B. Both were incredibly well written.

I only wish we got to know more about A2. We knew nothing, basically.
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Slayer_22 posted...

Imo, 9S was the best character in the game, followed closely by 2B. Both were incredibly well written.

I only wish we got to know more about A2. We knew nothing, basically.

A2 has a lot of background but it's in supplemental material like drama CDs and stage plays.

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I beat this game not sure what it was about but music was great

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Just dont play Drakengard 3 if youre lookin for some uplifting shit lmao

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DespondentDeity posted...

Just dont play Drakengard 3 if youre lookin for some uplifting shit lmao

How are the drakengard stories compared to nier
can I play drakengard 3 without playing 1 and 2

Recently beat and got all the main endings myself. What a fucking emotional gut punch that game is, up to the true ending. Phenomenal, though. Never played another Yoko Taro game, but I honestly think it was a lot "smarter" than anything from fellow Japanese crazy man Hideo Kojima. Fucking love Kojima still.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Recently beat and got all the main endings myself. What a fucking emotional gut punch that game is, up to the true ending. Phenomenal, though. Never played another Yoko Taro game, but I honestly think it was a lot "smarter" than anything from fellow Japanese crazy man Hideo Kojima. Fucking love Kojima still.

Funny enough, the game also feels slightly westernized much like Kojima games too.
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kojimas a genius. Id put yoko taro in the same league is him, butI dont think its really fair to say one or the other is better. MGS2, MGS3, and both Nier games are some of the best storytelling there is and they all do their own thing masterfully

The remake of the first one is incredible.

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spikethedevil posted...

The remake of the first one is incredible.

I think I'll get that soon. It's on sale on Amazon atm, too.
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Slayer_22 posted...

Well, I'd say the combat and story are definitely exceptionally amazing. But I suppose different strokes for different folks.

The combats average action. The story had pacing issues and momentum issues. You can literally guess the twists as well.

They present one thing at the beginning and the twist is the opposite is true. Whoa!

I sarcastically guessed one of the plot points like this.

"Hey, guys, my moms in her bedroom"
*Never shows mom*
*Whoa! My moms actually dead! What a twist!*

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Lairen posted...

The combats average action. The story had pacing issues and momentum issues. You can literally guess the twists as well.

They present one thing at the beginning and the twist is the opposite is true. Whoa!

I sarcastically guessed one of the plot points like this.

"Hey, guys, my moms in her bedroom"
*Never shows mom*
*Whoa! My moms actually dead! What a twist!*

...so? Why is that such a big deal? You weren't shocked by a twist, wooooah, crazy man. I wasn't either, but it was still a great story. In fact, I would suspect that most people would feel that way given how suspicious YoRHa act, and how untrustworthy they are.

That being said, again, different strokes. I think the story is fantastic at presenting it's themes and delivering them, as well as asking some thought provoking questions and dealing with heavy subjects of death, the meaning of life, what qualifies as sentience, what 'humanity' is, among other things.

But yes, if we look at the surface-level and ignore everything the story touches on and all the character development and all the dialogue and everything and focus specifically on the fact that a twist isn't shocking, story is definitely mediocre.
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THIS is the villain.

Oh, well, now THIS is the villain.

Well er, just really a misunderstanding: No more villains.

And we collected the dragon balls and wished everyone back so there wasnt really any stakes...

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Lairen posted...

THIS is the villain.

Oh, well, now THIS is the villain.

Well er, just really a misunderstanding: No more villains.

And we collected the dragon balls and wished everyone back so theres wasnt really any stakes...

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
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Slayer_22 posted...

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

Pointing out Niers just a good game is bait. Nier fans are the worst part of the game. Without them youd just enjoy the game and move on.

Whoa! Its not just a good game, you troll!!!

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Lairen posted...

Pointing out Niers just a good game is bait. Nier fans are the worst part of the game. Without them youd just enjoy the game and move on.

Whoa! Its not just a good game, you troll!!!

i mean, to be fair, you are trolling...

Lairen posted...

Pointing out Niers just a good game is bait. Nier fans are the worst part of the game. Without them youd just enjoy the game and move on.

Whoa! Its not just a good game, you troll!!!

Thats not what you posted though.


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Lairen posted...

Pointing out Niers just a good game is bait. Nier fans are the worst part of the game. Without them youd just enjoy the game and move on.

Whoa! Its not just a good game, you troll!!!

My first response was that I felt the game was better than good. I was nice, and said it's just different for different people.

Your response was to try and argue.

Who's the troll in that situation?
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I mean: theres no rebuttal for the issues i pointed out. Its just rebutting it not being this perfect art piece.

More so diamond gear hunting sucks.

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Slayer_22 posted...

My first response was that I felt the game was better than good. I was nice, and said it's just different for different people.

Your response was to try and argue.

Who's the troll in that situation?

Ok: i rebutted why is wasnt better than good.

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Lairen posted...

Ok: i rebutted why is wasnt better than good.

No, you didn't offer a rebuttal, you didn't even try to counter my points. You just tried to argue with me. Then you offered a bunch of nonsense arguments to try and argue further. Non-sequitor one after the other, not providing any counter points and instead offering some attempt at trolling.
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Slayer_22 posted...

No, you didn't offer a rebuttal, you didn't even try to counter my points. You just tried to argue with me. Then you offered a bunch of nonsense arguments to try and argue further. Non-sequitor one after the other, not providing any counter points and instead offering some attempt at trolling.

You were going on about "But you gotta look deeper than surface level and the development!"

No, you dont have to so i didnt entertain that.

The game struggles to go over 90/9.0 on meta. Its just good. Sorry.

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dont respond to the joke account, guys

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i just wanna say this post is pretty much my exact experience with ending e, except when the chorus came in i started crying like a bitch

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-Adam and Eve are terrible villains, they feel like shredder from the 90s TNMT cartoon show. Only showing up to make life slightly harder before fucking off until the next encounter. What was their purpose? To act as some sort of controlling god to the machines? It makes very little sense at all.

-When did 2B and 9S get close? They had time to but up until 9s went missing I didn't get the impression 2B actually gave a fuck about him then all of a sudden she's damn near tears for him. Did I miss a moment between them or something? It's such a contrived moment used to drive the plot forward. And it's made even more contrived when we learn that 2B had known 9S previously and killed him numerous times. We don't see their previous relationship before the many memory restarts on 9S yet we're supposed to believe that 2B is actually close with 9S when the only reason to believe so is that 2B MAY have killed him over and over again. It's such a dumb way to avoid creating an actual relationship at all, it feels like Taro just got lazy in this aspect of the story. Show don't tell.

-2B is such a boring character, you can literally sum up her character as "by the books". 6O and 9S show a shit ton of unforced personality and are infinitely better characters then 2B who only shows any personality during the contrived 9S moments. She's uncharismatic as all hell, I cringed every time 9S made playful or lighthearted comments and 2B's response was basically "No fun allowed". Just fucking play along goddamn it. This just adds to the problem that the relationship 2B and 9S have is contrived, they have no fucking chemistry whatsoever. There's no playful banter or moments that build their friendship. I'm having a hard time believing 2B struggles with the fact that she has to kill 9S because of how lazily written their dynamic is.

-Was making route A and B two separate parts necessary? I didn't enjoy route A at all, the combat didn't do it for me, 2B didn't do it for me, the bosses didn't do it for me, and the story didn't do it for me. I have such a hard time finding things I like about this game. Now I said I liked 9S in route A, compared to 2B, 9S's characters seem like a George RR Martin character. But never in a million years would I have asked to play as him going through the same bore-fest that is route A. I'll talk about his combat later but goddamn is it shit. Anyways, making route A and B separate was the most redundant thing about the story. Why couldn't they just fit those extra scenes into Route A? Why couldn't they just fit 9S's segments into Route A? They did in Route C, so I have no idea what the problem was. It's just more needless padding just like most things involving 9S.

-They almost had something going with 9S then they went and fucked it up. Now I like the idea that 9S was going insane, it could've been good. Could've been... The main problem with this entire part of his character was how forced and cringy it was. Yes, I believed he was insane but only as insane as any overdone cliche. Crazy laugh, check. Bloodthirsty murder spree, check. Obsession with something or someone, check. It just felt like a checklist of tropes, 9S was basically one scar away from being the Joker.

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Don't ruin this topic by arguing with a known troll please :(

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-The combat is shallow. Every fight plays out the same; hold down the button to shoot and keep dodging to launch enemy up. Yes there are combos in this game but they're totally useless, enemies don't stagger and throw out hitboxes that are deceptively large, so for the most part getting a combo to complete is a very rare situation and if it does happen you're walking out with a ton of HP missing. Not to mention that everything is never explained, I was nearly done with A2's side of things in route C before I figured out launchers only work right before an enemies attack animation and later on learned that I have to be evenly leveled with what I'm trying to launch. I had no idea I can charge pods till I read it somewhere in an off-hand comment online, I didn't know I can switch between weapon sets till I realized the D-pad isn't useless halfway into route B, and a bunch of other things that would've greatly helped early on. Now I don't know if this is because I took out a chip that gives hints or the game is naturally unintuitive but if the chip thing is the case then it's a stupid design to add to the game. Just remove the chip that helps you learn the very specific parts of the gameplay. Stupid.

-Every enemy is the same to some degree. Yes, there are tons of different enemies but every one of them is fought in 2 different ways. There are machines who are melee orientated so you wanna get in on their face, smash the dodge button and attack. There isn't a better way to fight these melee orientated machines, it's the only way, that and running around in a circle shooting them one by one. You're not incentivized (is that a word?) enough to bother learning attack patterns because of how broken dodge can be. Then there's the long-range machines who try to gun you down, for these machines you can stand still, aim, fire, and occasionally dodge. You can hardly melee these machines either since they just drift away if you get too close. Then there are enemies where you have to combine melee and long ranges attacks but for the most part they're largely the same. Every variety of enemy is basically 2 different machines (melee and long range), just with varying health, size, and damage output. Until you get to 9S...

-Playing as 9S fucking blows, he has no heavy attack and light attacks aren't even fun to pull off. So you have to run around and hack or run around and gun. Hacking adds some "complexity" (for lack of a better term I used complexity) but it's so fucking boring, there's no fun driving around a triangle and destroying geometric shapes. Hacking itself has no complexity other than moving through projectiles and holding the shoot button. It's so damn regressive compared to the combat playing as A2 and 2B. The one thing the combat as A2 and 2B had going for it was you could alternate between a fast-paced aggressive style and a slow defensive style on SOME enemies, while it was painfully simplistic it was still something. With 9S trying to play aggressive is the inferior way to play, he has less moves, and slow startups (compared to 2B and A2). You'd have to be brain dead to think using his sword is the viable way to play him, hacking just makes everything inferior, you're shooting yourself in the foot if you play him in any other way. All this makes me wonder why they didn't just make his primary combat based around using his pod and hacking, I mean PG is happy with slapping a bunch of shallow segments from various genres into this game so why the hell not? At the very least he wouldn't feel like a slower clone of 2B and have some uniqueness to him. Also hacking in general just blows, it's meaningless padding to many parts of the game, is there really a point to shoot down a single ball to open a door or chest?

-I don't like the top-view, and 2.5D side-scrolling combat. Every time one of these occurs I just lose my shit and contemplate turning the game off. They don't work for a Hack and Slash game at all, you need that 360 degree movement (yes I know it's an ARPG but the main combat is an emulation of Hack and Slash games). Dodging becomes ten times harder in both top view and side view and god forbid if you get pincered from both sides in the side view segments. Now I know I just went off on 9S for having slower combat but would it kill the game if it slowed down in these segments? It's utterly ridiculous how if you get cornered any hit is a touch of death if you don't have the anti-chain chip equipped. At least top view rarely ever happens but when it did happen for me it was an experience I could never forget. I was on my third attempt on the prologue doing "Hard" when this shit happened, I haven't gotten to that point until that attempt. I finally got a feel for the combat and familiarizing with it, then all of a sudden the game turns on its head and expects me to adapt to this camera angle you only see in old 90s games and shitty indie games. Needless to say I died and was really fucking pissed at this absurd amount of bullshit. Then there's that fight with Beauvoir where it's top view and the camera goes to shit, resulting in a cluster fuck where, if you get hit, it's totally justifiable to call bullshit.

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Ok so I got the demo, was pretty pleased it was still on the ps4 (the demo selection is already pretty sparse and the game is 4 years old)

Gonna try it and see what it's like. Having the Platinum name attached is what makes me hopeful enough to give it a chance, but having the square enix name attached is what makes me very wary about liking it
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The NieR games are superb. I love them personally. While they are not perfect video games, some of the complaints Ive seen in this topic are silly.

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@Lairen

https://www.reddit.com/r/nier/comments/84na4f/nier_automata_isnt_the_masterpiece_its_made_out/

Are you a fucking joke account or what? Lol.

Nice copy and paste. Change some words around, troll.
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saspa posted...

Gonna try it and see what it's like. Having the Platinum name attached is what makes me hopeful enough to give it a chance, but having the square enix name attached is what makes me very wary about liking it

Square are just the publishers afaik and had no role in the development.

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Funkydog posted...

Square are just the publishers afaik and had no role in the development.

I already mentioned that once lol.

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Funkydog posted...

Square are just the publishers afaik and had no role in the development.

They had a bit of a big role, actually.

At least, one producer did.

I read this a bit earlier, but a producer at Square who's bros with Taro basically said that he was willing to throw a few million away if Taro didn't jive well with Platinum, because Taro wasn't too sure about the relationship he'd have with the devs. He basically was working out of their offices, whereas with the last Nier he worked from home.

It's a good read if you're interested in the development: https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/28/17173244/nier-automata-yoko-taro-interview-gdc-2018
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saspa posted...

Ok so I got the demo, was pretty pleased it was still on the ps4 (the demo selection is already pretty sparse and the game is 4 years old)

Gonna try it and see what it's like. Having the Platinum name attached is what makes me hopeful enough to give it a chance, but having the square enix name attached is what makes me very wary about liking it

Square is notoriously iffy. But I find when they strike gold, they strike it hard.

The only reason I gave Nier a chance was the demo, too, lol.

Granted, I played the demo a year ago so I already knew the game was great. I just never really caught it on sale.

I'd also recommend getting the 7 day trial of PSNow, it's entirely free to download and enjoy if you do!
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Slayer_22 posted...

They had a bit of a big role, actually.

At least, one producer did.

I read this a bit earlier, but a producer at Square who's bros with Taro basically said that he was willing to throw a few million away if Taro didn't jive well with Platinum, because Taro wasn't too sure about the relationship he'd have with the devs. He basically was working out of their offices, whereas with the last Nier he worked from home.

It's a good read if you're interested in the development: https://www.theverge.com/2018/3/28/17173244/nier-automata-yoko-taro-interview-gdc-2018

The more you know!

Will give this a read later though, thanks.

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Funkydog posted...

The more you know!

Will give this a read later though, thanks.

Yeah, it's a pretty cool look into the development. I'll never understand Taro, but reading that article paints him as a pretty fun guy.
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