Current Events > Damn, Nina Turner really got blown the fuck out in Ohio, didn't she?

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And she had more money backing her, apparently?

Damn. I know I'm like a day late, but still

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Spooking posted...

We have to wait for the retweets to be counted.

Also ironic, Nina Turner supporters are blaming the Jews for her loss

Politics in America is just confusing af at this point

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Samurontai posted...

And she had more money backing her, apparently?

This is not totally true. She had an advantage in fundraising, but her opponent had outside PACs delivering a lot of ad spending:
https://twitter.com/kirk_bado/status/1422236489073713157


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Wish the democrats fought republicans as competently as they fight progressives.

kawalimus posted...

Wish the democrats fought republicans as competently as they fight progressives.

Establishment D and R are basically the same thing.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Establishment D and R are basically the same thing.

I'm well aware but hate the people Trump emboldens way more.

kawalimus posted...

Wish the democrats fought republicans as competently as they fight progressives.

Lol, so true. I gave up on them after they fucked over Bernie for such a lame piece of crap like Hillary.

Antifar posted...

This is not totally true. She had an advantage in fundraising, but her opponent had outside PACs delivering a lot of ad spending:
https://twitter.com/kirk_bado/status/1422236489073713157

Ads don't win elections on their own

Also ironically, that was what I was referencing when I posted

Samurontai posted...

Also ironic, Nina Turner supporters are blaming the Jews for her loss

Politics in America is just confusing af at this point

kawalimus posted...

Wish the democrats fought republicans as competently as they fight progressives.

Progressiveness isn't popular in America. Nobody wants to implement far left policy in most places.

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"Far left" what a joke lmao

There is nothing far left about american progressives.

garan posted...

Lol, so true. I gave up on them after they fucked over Bernie for such a lame piece of crap like Hillary.

Bernie fucked himself over. The only real criticism you can have about Bernie and Hillary is that one time when Hillary got questions in advance. That's literally it

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Are you an enlightened centrist by any chance, TC?

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There's a reason why progressives can't run outside of extremely blue areas.

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au_gold posted...

Are you an enlightened centrist by any chance, TC?

Nope, not at all. Republicans are fucking garbage lol

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Samurontai posted...

Progressiveness isn't popular in America. Nobody wants to implement far left policy in most places.

Well then they'll get the far right since the establishment Democrats have no fight in them.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Well then they'll get the far right since the establishment Democrats have no fight in them.

I feel like that was proven false in the last election cycle, when the democrats won the house and senate, etc.


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kawalimus posted...

"Far left" what a joke lmao

There is nothing far left about american progressives.

This.

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Spooking posted...

This is a quote by her after she lost:

"We couldnt overcome the influence of dark money" "We didn't lose this race, evil money manipulated and maligned this election."

Talk about a dog whistle. God damn, Nina.

Literally just blatant anti-semitism lmao. That's something I'd expect a fucking alt-righter to say

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au_gold posted...

This.

A lot of progressive ideas in America would be insane even by European standards lmao

Free healthcare aside.

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she was a bad candidate tbh. good riddance

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Delirious_Beard posted...

she was a bad candidate tbh. good riddance

This is true.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Establishment D and R are basically the same thing.

also big fucking yikes

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Shontel brown was clearly the better choice

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"Things are good the way they currently are" just never really sounded American to me. Moderates are just living in a world of privilege and comfort and won't acknowledge the suffering of others if it threatens that.

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Samurontai posted...

I feel like that was proven false in the last election cycle, when the democrats won the house and senate, etc.

lol because of the pandemic, but now the mass murderers are set to make huge gains in the next few elections. Apparently killing hundreds of thousands is a more appealing platform to braindead Americans than the rich being a little less rich.

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ZMythos posted...

"Things are good the way they currently are" just never really sounded American to me. Moderates are just living in a world of privilege and comfort and won't acknowledge the suffering of others if it threatens that.

The world might never be perfect, but that's exactly why there is always room for improvement. Millions of people still struggle in America through no fault of their own.

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here's some of brown's positions for anyone curious

https://shontelbrown.com/priorities/

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ZMythos posted...

"Things are good the way they currently are" just never really sounded American to me. Moderates are just living in a world of privilege and comfort and won't acknowledge the suffering of others if it threatens that.

You just don't know what you're talking about lol. It's more like "Let's not uproot everything that we know, and turn society on it's head because I'd rather take a more gradual approach". Most Americans do not like far left ideology. There's a reason why someone like AOC (who I happen to think is based as fuck) would never be able to make it outside of an already blue area.

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Samurontai posted...

I feel like that was proven false in the last election cycle, when the democrats won the house and senate, etc.

Just barely, though; and there's a very high chance that they will lose them both next year.

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hockeybub89 posted...

lol because of the pandemic, but now the mass murderers are set to make huge gains in the next few elections. Apparently killing hundreds of thousands is a more appealing platform to braindead Americans than the rich being a little less rich.

What are you even talking about?

Also when the far left runs on shit like "Defund the police", all it does is push most americans away.


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Solar_Crimson posted...

Just barely, though; and there's a very high chance that they will lose them both next year.

Any proof of that?

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Samurontai posted...

A lot of progressive ideas in America would be insane even by European standards lmao

Like what?

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au_gold posted...

Like what?

The insane drive for a minimum wage increase across the board, for one. The weird "Open borders" policy (Not talking about between the EU countries, and relaxed immigration laws is perfectly fine imo), the defund the police garbage, etc.

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Name one leftist politician advocating for open borders.

And as far as I know, EU countries already spend more on social programs relative to policing, so defund the police movements arent necessary.

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au_gold posted...

Name one leftist politician advocating for open borders.

And as far as I know, EU countries already spend more on social programs relative to policing, so defund the police movements arent necessary.

I never said a leftist politician was, I said it was a popular progressive talking point.

Not "unnecessary" but directly opposed to what they want. Europe tends to support increased police spending, not defunding of the police. That's my point.

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Name one leftist politician who uses open borders as a talking point.

Europe doesnt spend nearly as much on policing as America does, so DTP wouldnt make sense there. Thats my point.


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au_gold posted...

Name one leftist politician who uses open borders as a talking point.

Europe doesnt spend nearly as much on policing as America does, so DTP wouldnt make sense there. Thats my point.

European countries tend to be smaller, of course something like the UK isn't going to spend as much on policing as a country more than twice its size. In comparison to their GDP though, the UK spends relatively the same (just a tad bit lower than the US) on their policing.

It takes more money to implement programs to train police officers and add more divisions into the police organizations. There's a reason why most big cities who started doing the "defund the police" stuff, ended up 180ing.


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au_gold posted...

And as far as I know, EU countries already spend more on social programs relative to policing, so defund the police movements arent necessary.

If I remember correctly, U.S. police kill citizens something like 60x more often than UK police do.

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Dark money is a legitimate issue with valid reporting done about it. Why are people (other than right wing chuds) assuming she's being anti-semitic?

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Samurontai posted...

Progressiveness isn't popular in America.

I mean I wouldnt say that. Its just not popular with the establishment because, well, theyre already on top and sitting pretty. They dont want change.

Samurontai posted...

There's a reason why progressives can't run outside of extremely blue areas.

Yeah and its called gerrymandering.
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Delirious_Beard posted...

also big fucking yikes

You know what I fucking mean.

No, Democrats and Republicans arent the same. But the establishment has the same goal; keep the status quo.

Democrats won the 2020 elections and wow, nothing radically changed or will likely happen because Pelosi/Schumer dont want to.

Things wont change until the establishment is gotten rid of and new blood is in charge.
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Liberals love that Russian interference conspiracy theory.

They refuse to seriously acknowledge the growing right-wing, white supremacist movements in our country.

They are too comfortable to care.

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Samurontai posted...

I feel like that was proven false in the last election cycle, when the democrats won the house and senate, etc.

And yet they are allowing the GOP to gerrymander and vote suppress to make sure that this never happens again.

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Samurontai posted...

You just don't know what you're talking about lol. It's more like "Let's not uproot everything that we know, and turn society on it's head because I'd rather take a more gradual approach". Most Americans do not like far left ideology. There's a reason why someone like AOC (who I happen to think is based as fuck) would never be able to make it outside of an already blue area.

This is dumb. People say lets take a more gradual approach and then nothing ever gets done. Wages have been stagnant for years. There was plenty of time to take a gradual approach.

It can be done. Weve seen it. With the pandemic our world changed overnight and we got by just fine. Jobs that before people said couldnt be done from home were done just fine.

We can change shit people just dont want to because theyre in a position of comfort. He was exactly right. Tell all the homeless people and people barely making rent lets take a gradual approach.

It is you who doesnt know what theyre talking about TC. We say lets not do anything to help poor people out of fear that people that are relatively well off may be slightly less wealthy. Honestly disgusting.

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I have to point this out every single time: what politician ran on defund the police? Its barely a progressive talking point and even then only one or two politicians have entertained it

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Its a shame. I hope she tries again next year. Particularly given how low turnout was.

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