Current Events > Twitter to landlords; investing is a risk don't be mad tenants cannot pay rent.

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Lonestar2000 posted...

Have the government run the rental market not for profit.

LMAO people will be begging for landlords
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krazychao5 posted...

i believe landleeches are the shitty tenants not paying for housing and living there lmao

You probably also believe in the magical sky fairy. Your beliefs are worthless.

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g980 posted...

So you think everyone should have to buy a home or otherwise be homeless

If someone cant afford a home there should be government operated apartment complexes available for cheap/free. Theres no reason housing needs private investors. Landlords are only a drain on society and provide literally no value.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

If someone cant afford a home there should be government operated apartment complexes available for cheap/free. Theres no reason housing needs private investors. Landlords are only a drain on society and provide literally no value.

...except they provide the housing in cases where the govt doesnt
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Kloe_Rinz posted...

If someone cant afford a home there should be government operated apartment complexes available for cheap/free. Theres no reason housing needs private investors. Landlords are only a drain on society and provide literally no value.

God no.

You ever see most government subsidized housing? Let alone government housing for people who are truly down and out... its fucking atrocious.


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g980 posted...

...except they provide the housing in cases where the govt doesnt

And if landlords didn't exist, the government would be required to provide the housing. Any gotcha you think you might have is going to be refuted by people much smarter than you because anyone who simps for a landleech isn't smart enough to debate.

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g980 posted...

...except they provide the housing in cases where the govt doesnt

If landlords just disappeared the world would instantly be better tho

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I can only see 3 posts on this page.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

God no.

You ever see most government subsidized housing? Let alone government housing for people who are truly down and out... its fucking atrocious.

Which would change if landleeches weren't in the picture. It would have to change. If landleeches didn't exist, government housing would look exactly like landlord apartments look now.

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TheChariot posted...

Which would change if landleeches weren't in the picture. It would have to change. If landleeches didn't exist, government housing would look exactly like landlord apartments look now.

That's incredibly optimistic and naive.

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TheChariot posted...

Which would change if landleeches weren't in the picture. It would have to change. If landleeches didn't exist, government housing would look exactly like landlord apartments look now.

Why would they be the same?

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g980 posted...

except they provide the housing in cases where the govt doesnt

take it away you mean. Landlords in this case own housing where the less fortunate could own it instead. And if theres a case where the government doesnt provide housing then they should provide housing.

CanuckCowboy posted...

God no.

You ever see most government subsidized housing? Let alone government housing for people who are truly down and out... its fucking atrocious.

If theres quality issues with government housing those need to be resolved

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Why would they be the same?

I mean that in a positive way. Landlord apartments are generally an okay place to live. It's just the overpriced rent that's the problem.

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Kloe_Rinz posted...

take it away you mean. Landlords in this case own housing where the less fortunate could own it instead. And if theres a case where the government doesnt provide housing then they should provide housing.

A lot of things need to / should happen where the government is concerned. That doesn't mean they do or will.

I'd much rather be paying rent to my current landlord than living in a government building.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

A lot of things need to / should happen where the government is concerned. That doesn't mean they do or will.

I'd much rather be paying rent to my current landlord than living in a government building.

No you wouldn't. Not if it meant the rent was 1/3 for similar living conditions.

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Capitalists: We deserve all the profits because we take all the risks!

Capitalists facing risks: Whats clear here is that I should not be responsible for any of this.

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Shablagoo posted...

Capitalists: We deserve all the profits because we take all the risks!

Capitalists facing risks: Whats clear here is that I should not be responsible for any of this.

Donald J. Trump, is that you?

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TheChariot posted...

No you wouldn't. Not if it meant the rent was 1/3 for similar living conditions.

Yea but it wouldn't be. Thats my point.

It would be worse, probly with eben more bs rules you'd be expected to uphold, and it would be maintained as poorly as all but the absolute worst slumlords properties.

You have a very high opinion of the government and I'm not sure why.

The reason for the housing crisis and the current degree of financial inequality is, to a large extent, the fact that governments around the world have not giving the slightest of fucks or made real effort to stop it.

And now you want those same people to control the roof over your head and be more involved in your life?

You might as well just say, "hey let's just make all landlords perfect and empathetic and kind and generous, problem solved!"

The degree of faith you have in the government doing any better is no more realistic than the above.


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Twitter being dumb again. Tenants not paying rent are violating a legal contract. Should employees shrug it off as a bad investment if their employers don't pay them?

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Yea but it wouldn't be. Thats my point.

Your point is wrong

Kloe_Rinz posted...

Your point is wrong

Lol. Okay.

You keep believing the dream in spite of all available evidence showing the exact opposite.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Lol. Okay.

You keep believing the dream in spite of all available evidence showing the exact opposite.

You keep talking about today. Im talking about how it should be.

Government housing for every renter would be a disaster. over 100M people rent. That's over 43M households, and these numbers tend to ignore people renting a room in a single family home.

Also around 500k homeless in the US.

Now to account for current growth, people with roommates that would rather live alone, at least 50M households are needed. Probably more as a lot of home owners would likely sell if there was anything close to decent government housing with any sort of mobility.

And now, in ~2/3-3/4 of the cases dealing with the bureaucracy of a single person, in 1/4-1/3 of cases dealing with a company, you are dealing with dozens of layers of government bureaucrats. You'll need some sort of person to receive rent, because the government would still require rent in most cases. You will need people for maintenance. You will need people to assist with move in and move out, because the government doesn't take kindly to you damaging its property, same as land lords. Also in this case when the g-men come after you, there's not talking it out with the judge, they will stream line that process.

Not to mention how do you allocate units in high demand places? Everyone wants to live in NY, SF, San Diego, Honolulu, Miami, Seattle, etc. Far more than can live there. So how do you solve that? Waiting list for decades?


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Kloe_Rinz posted...

You keep talking about today. Im talking about how it should be.

Yeah but why would you think it would ever be "how it should be"? When nothing the government does or has done for years has been about how things should be?

All around the world there are for more examples of things not being how they should be than the opposite.

In NZs two tier health system the people who can't afford to pay shouldn't get shit care relative to those who can... but they do.

In a majority of countries mental health and drug addiction services shouldn't be pathetically underfunded and mismanaged, but they are.

Tens of millions of canadian tax payer dollars every year shouldn't go to pensions for mlas and mps who only served 4 years but it is.

There is so much that is fucked up I have no idea why you'd think the government would somehow get it together for housing. Imo that issue would come after a dozen other bigger issues that will very possibly not be addressed in our life times.

Again - expecting the government to execute housing that well is no more realistic than expecting all landlords to become saints.

Not too mention constant policy changes to housing rules and regulations and pricing every single time the government flips left to right or vice versa.

The US can't even get Healthcare to a point where the average person can get seriously ill or hurt without being financially destroyed for life... you think they're gonna figure out affordable government run housing?

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KILBOTz posted...

where are you getting a ridiculous idea like that?

even if the value of the land hadn't risen in the last 30 years, the cost of design, development, construction labor, materials, inspection, would make it hard to turn a profit on a 300 square foot studio at $5k a year now, let alone a 2 bed 2 bath with any sort of quality materials.

it seems like most of the people here live in fantasy land. without landlords many of these units would not exist. The US government has shown no real particular capability of managing public housing well. A few cities have managed normally low-rise / townhome / brownstone style (like max 3 floors) and had those projects turn out well, but any sort of large scale which you would be need for the 100M+ americans that rent, well that should be a larger nightmare to you than landlords. I imagine it would take months or years to get approval for a place in any major metro area. Want to move to San Francisco? Ok, 5 year wait. In the mean time you can stay in a hotel which will cost 3x more than it would have been with landlord.

landlords fill that gap between buying and hotels and over a long period of time, they are priced between the two.

Because thats what people can afford to pay. Housing should not be only for the wealthy. It should account for no more than 30% of your pay and thats all there is to it.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Yeah but why would you think it would ever be "how it should be"? When nothing the government does or has done for years has been about how things should be?

All around the world there are for more examples of things not being how they should be than the opposite.

In NZs two tier health system the people who can't afford to pay shouldn't get shit care relative to those who can... but they do.

In a majority of countries mental health and drug addiction services shouldn't be pathetically underfunded and mismanaged, but they are.

Tens of millions of canadian tax payer dollars every year shouldn't go to pensions for mlas and mps who only served 4 years but it is.

There is so much that is fucked up I have no idea why you'd think the government would somehow get it together for housing. Imo that issue would come after a dozen other bigger issues that will very possibly not be addressed in our life times.

Again - expecting the government to execute housing that well is no more realistic than expecting all landlords to become saints.

Not too mention constant policy changes to housing rules and regulations and pricing every single time the government flips left to right or vice versa.

The US can't even get Healthcare to a point where the average person can get seriously ill or hurt without being financially destroyed for life... you think they're gonna figure out affordable government run housing?

This is a topic of hypotheticals. The situation today is that landlords have a negative impact on society and I responded with what I believe is the ideal solution. The fact that it will never actually happen is irrelevant. Obviously landlords will continue to exist, continue to fuck the working class and the situation wont improve. Thats reality.

Kloe_Rinz posted...

This is a topic of hypotheticals. The situation today is that landlords have a negative impact on society and I responded with what I believe is the ideal solution. The fact that it will never actually happen is irrelevant. Obviously landlords will continue to exist, continue to fuck the working class and the situation wont improve. Thats reality.

Yes and if the government ran it they'd be fucking people instead. Itd be new problems plus the old problems.

Are you familiar with the history of council housing / social housing in the uk? Its largely bad.

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Yes and if the government ran it they'd be fucking people instead

Then that government should be voted out

Damn gov't run housing they'd take 5 years to change a light bulb

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who said something about believe a sky fairy lmao and they believe government can fucking run housing for americans hahaha talk about taking some magic shrooms

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CanuckCowboy posted...

Yes and if the government ran it they'd be fucking people instead. Itd be new problems plus the old problems.

Are you familiar with the history of council housing / social housing in the uk? Its largely bad.

it's important to remember that the existence of private housing (that is; housing that is used to turn a profit for the person who owns it) inherently siphons funding away from public housing; making it worse and even threatening its existence in the first place

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averagejoel posted...

it's important to remember that the existence of private housing (that is; housing that is used to turn a profit for the person who owns it) inherently siphons funding away from public housing; making it worse and even threatening its existence in the first place

You're right

Almost like how for profit charter schools siphon away funding from public schools and make the education system objectively worse while "investors" line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

Or how privatized healthcare leads to millions without adequate coverage and hyper-inflated out of pocket costs while "investors" line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

I'm sensing a pattern here....

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

A civil body or the government should manage property

government-managed housing is almost always a shithole. government is probably the least efficient/least intelligent group of cubicle jockeys across any industry

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ZMythos posted...

You're right

Almost like how for profit charter schools siphon away funding from public schools and make the education system objectively worse while "investors" line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

Or how privatized healthcare leads to millions without adequate coverage and hyper-inflated out of pocket costs while "investors" line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

I'm sensing a pattern here....

yes. and then when the quality of such services inevitably degrades due to a lack of funding, people who don't know what they're talking about can say shit like "government-managed housing is almost always a shithole" as though that's an inherent trait of public housing. and a lot of people are uninformed enough to just believe that

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ZMythos posted...

Almost like how for profit charter schools siphon away funding from public schools and make the education system objectively worse while "investors" line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

Or how privatized healthcare leads to millions without adequate coverage and hyper-inflated out of pocket costs while "investors" line their pockets with taxpayer dollars.

The disaster lies in private-public, where public funds go to private entities.

Yet, section 8 has been the least disastrous public housing initiative ever. Now I'm conflicted.

Naysaspace posted...

government-managed housing is almost always a shithole. government is probably the least efficient/least intelligent group of cubicle jockeys across any industry

It's the same with any government entity.

Which is why it's good to resist taxes. Money is always better in the hands of private citizens.

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PC-Builder_Pony posted...

It's the same with any government entity.

This is exactly why "medicare for all" will be "VA for all".

Naysaspace posted...

government-managed housing is almost always a shithole. government is probably the least efficient/least intelligent group of cubicle jockeys across any industry

Exactly.

That's way more succinct than my ramblings were.

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Naysaspace posted...

government-managed housing is almost always a shithole. government is probably the least efficient/least intelligent group of cubicle jockeys across any industry

Is it a big enough "shithole" for you to want to pay 2-3 times more to a private landlord?

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