Current Events > I'm starting to think MJ abused kids

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TL;DR: If you aren't a child abuser you will go out of your way to not get accused of it again.

Tbh I haven't really done any real research on this, but I'm just starting to think about it from the perspective of having worked with kids for 5 years now.

If you aren't a child abuser, you will go out of your way to not abuse children. Like once he got accused the first time, why wasn't he just like "oh, people think it's wrong for me and a child to sleep in the same bed. I didn't abuse the kid, but if that's a boundary I'm not supposed to cross, I wont cross it".

Like if my boss ever told me "Look, you really shouldn't be playing with the kids like that, you're being a little too touchy" I would INSTANTLY begin to change my behavior and be like "oh fuck I had no idea what I was doing could look wrong". But no. He STILL fuckin slept with kids in his bed after he knew it was not okay.

Even from a career standpoint, why would you risk your career by still engaging kids in the same ways you were accused of? Like why does MJ need to have kids over his personal house with no parents around and sleep with them in their bed? Why not invite the parents too if you're throwing the kids a party. It's not like when you hire a birthday magician, he asks all the parents to leave. He can still engage the kids with the parents there.

In court, after the whole mess of the first one, MJ just must have had a lawyer/advisor that told him to make these changes to never run into another accusation, and if he was serious about this whole not abusing kids thing, he would take all their advice. That whole process must've sucked, so if I wasn't a child abuser, I'd be like "yeah, that fucking process felt awful the whole time, let's make sure that never happens again".

And like I could totally see how MJ would be incredibly good at gaslighting. He's a musical icon and incredibly loved by his fans and makes touching music with good messages. There are child abusers out there that are incredibly good at putting up a fake front, making it seem like they care and are good people, etc. Abusers at very good at covering themselves up from being shitty people, they work on covering themselves up all the time.

And I think it makes more sense that the parents of these kids would be endlessly frustrated that everyone is buying into this abusers cover up personality and having no justice for their kid. If the accusations were false, it's also wrong to make your child lie and involve courts and stuff. What are the chances of it happening so many times? It makes more sense that MJ abused the kids. If these parents were really "lets fake sue a celeb using our kid as bait", they would try it on other celebs too. You don't hear that Ed Sheeran molests kids or Adam Levine or shit. Why don't these parents try it on other celebs too?

The only thing I can't figure out yet is why would you send your kids to an accused child abusers house? I'd never do that

https://www.hotpress.com/music/sheryl-crow-admits-seeing-really-strange-things-worked-michael-jackson-22785213

The whole tone of that is kinda chilling.

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Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, Jared Bell and Corey Baxter are all SICK FUCKS!

@SomeLikeItHoth

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Im not gonna read your entire post but I think he did too, but at the same time I dont think he was on his full facilities like R Kelly. Not that that makes it ok, but I truly believe the Jesus juice stuff and all that.

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VipaGTS posted...

Im not gonna read your entire post but I think he did too, but at the same time I dont think he was on his full facilities like R Kelly. Not that that makes it ok, but I truly believe the Jesus juice stuff and all that.

@VipaGTS I added a tldr

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Master Kazuya posted...

The only thing I can't figure out yet is why would you send your kids to an accused child abusers house? I'd never do that

Three possible explanations - and I'd hope that at least the majority of cases were the third:
a) They don't care
b) They were being paid to let it happen
c) They weren't aware of or didn't believe the allegations

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MJ was asexual

you wouldn't understand his lack of wanting to bang people

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He abused those kids. Lots of the Hollywood elite did. Its fucked up.

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armandro posted...

MJ was asexual

you wouldn't understand his lack of wanting to bang people

No but I do understand that asexual good people exist. I am sure if sleeping with kids in your bed made people think it was weird, you'd be like, "lol I'm asexual, sorry these things are hard I'll stop putting kids in my bed if its makin yall feel some way lmao". MJ didn't do this. He kept doing the exact same behaviors that got him accused of being a child molester.

I also don't understand why he would ever let that whole process happen to him more than once. It must be very inconvenient to be accused of a child molester. You gotta go to court, they gotta check your dick, etc. If you weren't a child molester, wouldn't you be like "wow that sucked, let's never do that again" and install the appropriate security cameras, open it up to the public, stop the bedroom tours, etc.

You're telling me he lacks a sex drive but was willing to go through that more than once? He paid millions to settle it out of courts. Why would you ever put yourself in that position again? That is not a parking ticket.

Orrrr he's not attracted to any of the thousands of women thrown at him because he gets his rocks off with kids, and it's worth it to him to be accused of a child molester, and people claiming he's asexual are buying into the gaslighting like you. I don't blame you cause I bought into it too.

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I thought they found pictures & stuff a while after he died? It sucks but its a wide spread problem in Hollywood. Even Elvis had a bad age gap with his wife.

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I don't really understanding sleeping in the same bed either. Even if you missed your childhood cause it was fucked up. Kids didn't want to sleep in the same bed, they did it cause there was nowhere else to sleep in the room. Just have a room with a bunch of beds you rich bitch. Kids usually don't want to cuddle with grown men who aren't their dad by choice.

MJ admits to the bed thing?


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Lost_All_Senses posted...

I don't really understanding sleeping in the same bed either. Even if you missed your childhood cause it was fucked up. Kids didn't want to sleep in the same bed, they did it cause there was nowhere else to sleep in the room. Just have a room with a bunch of beds you rich bitch. Kids usually don't want to cuddle with grown men who aren't their dad by choice.

MJ admits to the bed thing?

Yes.

The door to the room also had an alarm bell.

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MJ talked about it like it was such a normal thing, but when you piece shit together it sounds like the kids didnt even know theyd be sleeping there all the time. It was just like a slumber party where they had fun in the room, he gave them Jesus juice and everyone passed out in the bed. And instead of being the adult and like sleeping on the floor he just climbed in with them?

I dont know you get bits and pieces from each person but the entire picture sounds really discombobulated.

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Darmik posted...

Yes.

The door to the room also had an alarm bell.

Yeah, no. That's foul. Who the fuck let's their kid go to someone's house with all this going on.

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ClunkerSlim posted...

You cant really stop people from accusing you of stuff.

The cases would have no fruition if he took the legal measures to childproof Neverland Ranch. MJ made 0 changes.

And, when you childproof it, those people that are trying to sue a celeb (again, this is the false narrative that MJ's defense team came up with probably since they know it's true) will have weak cases. They'll have security footage of the place of all times, they'll know MJ's location, etc. But no, they had strong cases on top of accusations.

If you have a kid in your bed, and people accuse you of putting kids in your bed, and that accusation costed you time and money, wouldn't you keep kids out of your fucking bed next time? Like jeez, it's just common sense. You're buying into the narrative that these victims are malicious. This would be happening with other celebs if that's the case.

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VipaGTS posted...

And instead of being the adult and like sleeping on the floor he just climbed in with them?

Yeah. Dude if people thought I was a child molester for having strangers kids in my bed, I would stop putting kids in my bed. He could've slept in another room too, he's literally a multimillionaire there are a lot of solutions to this lol.

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He definitely did. I think some parents took advantage of it because he had money but the shit he did was definitely predator behavior.

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SomeLikeItHoth posted...

He abused those kids. Lots of the Hollywood elite did. Its fucked up.

Yeah. It's crazy that I bought into the hype until I just stopped to think about it.

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And then there were those books that apparently had CP in it that they called artnah son that shit will never be art.

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tbh I think the elite PTB got ahold of him and fucked him up big time.

Look at his 1980s interviews back when he was a normal person. Such a low-tone, kind voice. Everything about that and his body language suggests he had a pure soul and spirit.

He was spreading peace & love/world unity with his songs and the evil PTB didn't like it. They got ahold of him and fucked his skin color up turning it white (god knows how they did this) and what they did to his face to make him look like a freak. I can NOT imagine that someone would make themselves look so hideous purposely. I mean seriously, who the hell would do this to themselves??

They put him under mind control and turned him into a freak. The child abuse cases further destroyed his reputation for daring to speak out against the PTB. I'm sure it was driven by $$$ from many angles as well, obviously.

I can't prove any of this but it's just speculation based on his original character. I'm not even a huge fan of his music but something about the "official narrative" just doesn't sit right with me. I think he was a good person destroyed by the evil superpowers of the world.

I could be wrong. If that's the case then good riddance.

If someone doesn't think they've done anything wrong, they likely aren't going to change how they do things just to avoid false accusations. Bad publicity only matters so much to some people.

Maybe he did do it. Maybe he didn't. There simply isn't enough evidence to say for sure either way.

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There is plenty of evidence. If this were any other man there would be no question, but people want to give MJ the benefit of the doubt because he came off as innocent and timid.

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VipaGTS posted...

There is plenty of evidence. If this were any other man there would be no question, but people want to give MJ the benefit of the doubt because he came off as innocent and timid.

If there was plenty of evidence he would've been convicted. The only evidence is that he slept in the same bed as children. Not that he did anything sexual with them.

And yes, people would be quicker to believe that another person did it. Doesn't change that there isn't enough evidence to say for sure. Public opinion doesn't determine guilt.

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"But if he stops doing it, then people will definitely realize that he was doing something wrong. Otherwise, he'd just keep on doing it if it was just innocent fun."

I'm thinking that's the logic. I moreso want it to be the logic. I'd rather live in a world where MJ didn't molest kids.

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what tipped you off, the laser system outside his bedroom

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Demon1050 posted...

I can NOT imagine that someone would make themselves look so hideous purposely. I mean seriously, who the hell would do this to themselves??

To be fair, I think body morphism mental illnesses are a very real thing and it's possible he had one. It makes sense for him to have one, just look at his life. Some people get endless botox, some people take endless steroids, keep getting silicone injections, etc. I could totally see how he'd do this to himself.

Also one way your theory doesn't add up is that the PTB (I'm assuming that stands for powers that be?) does not want to get involved in child abuse shit.

You're still buying into the narrative. MJ abused kids. He was not manipulated into people thinking he was a child molester. That's ridiculous.

What your post made me realize is that this is just like Epstein. Epstein was in charge of that shit but he was murdered in jail because that whole operation had a chance of being exposed. On MJ's last tour, they probably thought something similar, like "we're close to endangering ourselves" and they murdered MJ before any info could get leaked out.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

"But if he stops doing it, then people will definitely realize that he was doing something wrong. Otherwise, he'd just keep on doing it if it was just innocent fun."

I'm thinking that's the logic. I moreso want it to be the logic. I'd rather live in a world where MJ didn't molest kids.

Nah that still doesn't add up. He (or his lawyers) would have him make a statement of apology, be sincere that he didn't know he was wrong, and take the necessary changes to make sure it doesn't happen again.

We all know by now how celebrity apology letters work. They're all crafted by lawyers to ensure the best chance of career recovery.

You know how stubborn you'd have to be to enjoy keeping the title of child molester? For example, high fiving kids is fun. If the whole world was like "hey you should stop high fiving kids, we're really concerned it makes you look like a child molester", why the fuck would I be like "fuck you I'm gonna keep high fiving anyway"? I would stop, as would any other non child abusing person lol.

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Who still thinks about MJ? I havent in years

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MJ didled kids
Trump raped children with Epstein
Gaetz also trafficked underage girls

Master Kazuya posted...

You know how stubborn you'd have to be to enjoy keeping the title of child molester? For example, high fiving kids is fun. If the whole world was like "hey you should stop high fiving kids, we're really concerned it makes you look like a child molester", why the fuck would I be like "fuck you I'm gonna keep high fiving anyway"? I would stop, as would any other non child abusing person lol.

Exactly. Who wants to be known as that. Especially as a public figure. So you'd have to assume dude was super naive and innocent when it comes his friendships with these kids. And no one told to cut it out with hanging with kids cause there's some money hungry parents out there and it'll happen again just like in 93

Or you could assume the he didn't have a childhood schtick was all an act and that allowed him to go about his business with at least some kind of a shield


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TheoryzC posted...

Exactly. Who wants to be known as that. Especially as a public figure. So you'd have to assume dude was super naive and innocent when it comes his friendships with these kids. And no one told to cut it out with hanging with kids cause there's some money hungry parents out there and it'll happen again just like in 93

Or you could assume the he didn't have a childhood schtick was all an act and that allowed him to go about his business with at least some kind of a shield

Yeah. With multimillions of dollars, you could hire the best defense team possible to fabricate narratives into the media.

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Alright final bump, this shit has blown my mind today and I'm glad I realized it, but man is it uncomfortable to think about. I can't believe the fame and music was all a front.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6p8CgdRLnDQ

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trappedunderice posted...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6p8CgdRLnDQ

His face is legit scary to me now lol (I know that's a filter btw)

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I've always wondered if Jackson was groomed by someone while he was a child star.

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Starting? Now?

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XxPika740xX posted...

I've always wondered if Jackson was groomed by someone while he was a child star.

Yeah I thought this too. The chances are there cause he was so famous so young, so he was around a lot of people. It's no excuse obviously. But yeah a huge precursor to abusing kids is being abused yourself.

Looked gf posted...

Starting? Now?

Yeah, better late than never. I was also younger when he was accused and kinda forgot about it and let the narrative effect my subconscious unknowingly. I didn't have as much perspective as I do now.

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Trumble posted...

Three possible explanations - and I'd hope that at least the majority of cases were the third:
a) They don't care
b) They were being paid to let it happen
c) They weren't aware of or didn't believe the allegations

@Trumble I'd hope it was just "weren't aware" and not didn't believe if it was the last one. Because yeah, if I was a parent, if I even get the minor hair on my back that you'd seriously hurt my kid, I wouldn't let my kid anywhere near you. ESPECIALLY if there was a court case, especially multiple court cases, especially settled outside of court for millions. Nobody takes chances with sexual predators. Even in prison, the hardest gangsters that murder people still look down on child molesters.

I can't see a reasonable parent sending their kids there knowing all that. It's possible that the parents were just lied to. I mean MJ must've had a whole system to it. Advertise it as a fun camp, sign an NDA that "your kid may or may not enjoy premises as scheduled" or some shit like a legal loophole, etc. Maybe they sent the ads to hundreds of parents and only the 5 that had never heard the allegations or something were the ones that followed through. Maybe they were like "we'll pay your child's tuition if they come, Michael really wants to support the youth!". There are so many ways to do this, especially when you have the best psychologists at your disposal.

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Master Kazuya posted...

@Trumble I'd hope it was just "weren't aware" and not didn't believe if it was the last one.

Same, but I could at least understand if they genuinely believed the accusations were false. I mean heck, if everyone did believe the accuastion, this topic probably wouldn't be here for starters, right? - I know you believe the accusations, but if everyone did there wouldn't be much to talk about.

It's an all-around shitty situation. Let's be glad he's not abusing kids anymore.

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Trumble posted...

Same, but I could at least understand if they genuinely believed the accusations were false. I mean heck, if everyone did believe the accuastion, this topic probably wouldn't be here for starters, right? - I know you believe the accusations, but if everyone did there wouldn't be much to talk about.

Yeah you're right. I got tricked as a passive whatever outsider, which I can only surmise that the tricks he had for the actual kids he wanted were probably way more intricate.

Trumble posted...

Let's be glad he's not abusing kids anymore.

Not religious but I still have to say amen to that.

Just hoping to spread the message and energy now that I've become aware myself. It's important to expose the truth for the health of everyone. Not like I'm gonna scream it from a megaphone but this has def opened my perspective, again especially myself who is passionate with kids. I was abused as a kid, albeit not sexually, but still, realizing all this resonated deep within me.

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The DA went after MJ over and over and over and came up empty.

The idea that kids sleep in MJ room is misunderstanding . The "room" is really a wing. And the parents were allowed to be there.

Even the new allegations were full of a fucking lies. If he was so guilty, then there would be people who came forth that were not a got damn lying about stuff.

But even when proven innocent black man still guilty .

Hell in this topic. I literally see people posting things that false about the cases.

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cjsdowg posted...

The DA went after MJ over and over and over and came up empty.

The idea that kids sleep in MJ room is misunderstanding . The "room" is really a wing. And the parents were allowed to be there.

Even the new allegations were full of a fucking lies. If he was so guilty, then there would be people who came forth that were not a got damn lying about stuff.

But even when proven innocent black man still guilty .

Hell in this topic. I literally see people posting things that false about the cases.

Gee I wonder how perhaps the most beloved celeb of all time could possibly get away with something >_>

I don't give a fuck about what part of the Earth you are from or what melatonin you have. If you're doing shit that people think makes you look like a child molester and keep doing them, you are fucked up.

MJ is fucking weird and has all the resources to hide it. Do you really think those victims are still trying to bank off that sweet payment? It's been like 30 years. They have jobs by now and have a living lol.

With a ring like pedophilia, maybe the most looked down upon thing in society, you gotta be extra careful to guard it up. We already know pedophile rings exist. You're telling me his doctor "accidentally" gave him too much medicine? He has access to the best doctors and physicians on the planet. That was an assassination like Epstein's.

I get that his perspective looks nice and tidy but that's how it's supposed to look. Someone who doesn't wanna molest kids will go out of their way to show otherwise instead of running into the same situations over and over.

If you're a normal person you know there's something weird about a multi millionaire icon needing your kids to privately sleep over for a night. Especially letting it happen again after you get accused once.

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Look up The Rageaholic's Jackson Rebuttal. I can't post it her since he swears a lot and it like 30 mins long. A he cites himself and a lot of the things that you have said here just are not true and this guy addressed this.


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cjsdowg posted...

Look up The Rageaholic's Jackson Rebuttal. I can't post it her since he swears a lot and it like 30 mins long. A he cites himself and a lot of the things that you have said here just are not true and this guy addressed this.

I'm sorry, I have no desire to watch it. I could completely understand how the biggest star ever could expertly hide abusing children. I don't mind admitting I once admired him, his uniqueness, and the amount of musicality and message in his songs. I don't need fond memories preserved at the expense of children getting abused.

People that care about children do not put themselves in situations that could be considered abuse after already being accused of it. In this case, I believe in the Occam's Razor principle. It just simply makes all the pieces fit better knowing he was a talented child molester instead of a wrongly accused childlike soul hanging out with kids.

We know pedophilia isn't exclusive to no lifers. Popular people have engaged in it. Look at context and common sense. You think Epstein really killed himself?

I'm just glad he's not around anymore, no matter what the courts say.

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Master Kazuya posted...

Tbh I haven't really done any real research on this, but I'm just starting to think about it from the perspective of having worked with kids for 5 years now.

Bruh.

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I struggle to think of a pedo that would do an interview like this. Unless at worst he was doing the hiding in plain site game. But then more accusations came after this

https://youtu.be/d0ID5biz56s

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TheoryzC posted...

I struggle to think of a pedo that would do an interview like this. Unless at worst he was doing the hiding in plain site game. But then more accusations came after this

Dude are you serious, look at 1:13. He is holding hands with a 13 year old while doing an interview. I am sorry, if there were any other topic about "Hey CE, is it normal to hold hands with 13 year olds you arent related to?" everyone would be like "fucking ceman loser". Did you hold hands with strangers when you were in 8th grade? Any of your buddies?

The most loving thing you can do is share your bed? The kid even has a counter to that question right away. The most loving thing you can do is help people. Sharing a bed has nothing to do with anything lol. That is a LOT of justification they do for sleeping in the same bed.

You really wanna tell me that's a totally normal relationship between an 8th grader and a celebrity? I know you know something's off too, it's fucking weird.

This is the same guy who claims he's never had plastic surgery. Dude. look at his fucking face lmao

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Master Kazuya posted...

Dude are you serious, look at 1:13. He is holding hands with a 13 year old while doing an interview. I am sorry, if there were any other topic about "Hey CE, is it normal to hold hands with 13 year olds you arent related to?" everyone would be like "fucking ceman loser". Did you hold hands with strangers when you were in 8th grade? Any of your buddies?

Now think and ask yourself what makes a person do a interview like this that's watched by millions of people?

A CEman would never attach their public persona to a topic like your premise. They'd have to hide behind a username to ask a question like that. Here we have MJ doing this shit is public. And mind you this is plus the public perception of him up until this point where he was looked at as a weirdo. Wacko Jacko etc

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