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Ratchetrockon
07/30/21 6:20:53 PM
#51:


Going by actual feats not statements from gods (like universe gonna bust) or anything like that. The best feat in canon dragonball is goku and beerus fight in early dbs that destroyed a planet, some planetoids, and a star on screen. . So solar system busting prob

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Tyranthraxus
07/30/21 6:22:19 PM
#52:


TheShadowViper posted...
There are no feats that suggest Saitama holds a candle to Goku. Goku routinely throws down with beings that can destroy a planet with a finger.
Holy exaggeration batman

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:22:28 PM
#53:


ChocoboMogALT posted...
Goku got beat the f*** up by Arale.

Also bruised by regular human gun.

Also in his most powerful form at the time got blindsided and knocked the fuck out by a simple laser gun.
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DepreceV2
07/30/21 6:23:44 PM
#54:


Ratchetrockon posted...
Going by actual feats not statements from gods (like universe gonna bust) or anything like that. The best feat in canon dragonball is goku and beerus fight in early dbs that destroyed a planet, some planetoids, and a star on screen. . So star level to maybe solar system busting if those celestial bodies were in the same system.

Goku beat Buu he would wipe out entire solar systems and he is FAR FAR stronger that Buu back then. Based on scaling, it makes sense that Goku would be universal.

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:24:29 PM
#55:


Ratchetrockon posted...
Going by actual feats not statements from gods (like universe gonna bust) or anything like that. The best feat in canon dragonball is goku and beerus fight in early dbs that destroyed a planet, some planetoids, and a star on screen. . So star level to maybe solar system busting if those celestial bodies were in the same system.

Even this is not really much. Fyi the Phoenix Force in X-Men destroys planets as it criss-crosses the galaxy.

That is to say, a powerful foe in a comic or anime is much harder to damage than lifeless terrain even a planet size of lifeless terrain. Like Roshi blowing up the moon is nothing because that is just the way these writers write. He still couldn't hurt Raditz.
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Tyranthraxus
07/30/21 6:24:30 PM
#56:


DepreceV2 posted...
Goku beat Buu he would wipe out entire solar systems and he is FAR FAR stronger that Buu back then. Based on scaling, it makes sense that Goku would be universal.
Laser gun = multiversal

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Ratchetrockon
07/30/21 6:24:54 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
Also bruised by regular human gun.

Also in his most powerful form at the time got blindsided and knocked the fuck out by a simple laser gun.
Tbf arale has wayy better feats than saitama. Outraced a rockset ship to planet venus iirc and got smooshed by two planets and got pinballed across the solar system.

The gun feats tho is so horrible idk how any1 can defend that

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Disengaged
07/30/21 6:25:42 PM
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SSJPurple posted...
Except his feats dont put him anywhere near Gokus level.

Im caught up with the manga and no OPM character is Goku tier yet.

Idk anything about Superman.

You can't measure up to a character like Saitama with feats. It doesn't matter what the feats are. That's the premise of his character.

Saitama can never, ever, ever have a personal Win, feel personal satisfaction or validation, which means he can never ever ever come close to losing a fight.

No matter what stands in front of him, or how absurdly powerful it is, it will never be anything but disappointingly trivial for Saitama to overcome.

Saitama can never experience what he desires, losing or coming close to losing, or more specifically ever finding an opponent that he could possibly lose too, or he will no longer be Saitama, which means Saitama can never lose a fight, or even come close.

Saitama is gag take on a perpetual loser, and the op character who needs a real challenge. for him, who wants to feel like he's up against a real challenge he could possibly lose against, being a perpetual loser means he always wins. Winning is losing.

Whatever goku does, whatever power he brings today, or tomorrow, will be comically overpowered as trivial by a very depressed Saitama, regaurdless of what feats have been shown so far in his own publication.

It's what the character is. It's the one punch man.

The moral of the story is, unlike other heroes, you actually do not want to be, the one punch man. It sucks.

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:28:16 PM
#59:


Galactus destroys planets but that doesn't mean he can arm wrestle the Hulk and win. You guys need to stopped being wowed by what is bs even to the writers.
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Ratchetrockon
07/30/21 6:28:53 PM
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TheRadiant
07/30/21 6:29:33 PM
#61:


OPM would easily win in a bad character tournament at least

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:29:45 PM
#62:


Ratchetrockon posted...

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DepreceV2
07/30/21 6:30:00 PM
#63:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Laser gun = multiversal

Come on man. You know how Dragonball works. Don't use that argument

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Cheater87
07/30/21 6:30:23 PM
#64:


But can he beat Kenshiro?

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:31:03 PM
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DepreceV2 posted...
Come on man. You know how Dragonball works. Don't use that argument

That laser gun could have killed Majin Buu!
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Tyranthraxus
07/30/21 6:31:05 PM
#66:


DepreceV2 posted...
Come on man. You know how Dragonball works. Don't use that argument

I used that argument because people who know how Dragonball works don't say things like "Goku is universal because of Buu"

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DepreceV2
07/30/21 6:32:26 PM
#67:


Tyranthraxus posted...
I used that argument because people who know how Dragonball works don't say things like "Goku is universal because of Buu"

Im saying the scaling will make sense. I agree we havent seen feats that show it but I can see it make sense

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Nemu
07/30/21 6:33:24 PM
#68:


Disengaged posted...
You can't measure up to a character like Saitama with feats. It doesn't matter what the feats are. That's the premise of his character.

Saitama can never, ever, ever have a personal Win, feel personal satisfaction or validation, which means he can never ever ever come close to losing a fight.

No matter what stands in front of him, or how absurdly powerful it is, it will never be anything but disappointingly trivial for Saitama to overcome.

Saitama can never winie experience what he desires, or he will no longer be Saitama, which means Saitama can never lose a fight, or even come close.

Whatever goku does, whatever power he brings today, or tomorrow, will be comically overpowered as trivial by a very depressed Saitama, regaurdless of what feats have been shown so far in his own publication.

It's what the character is. It's the one punch man.

You do not want to be, the one punch man.
You're conflating the meta with his power. If his actual power is ever revealed to be "to have the quality of being stronger than the strongest being in the world by a wide margin," then you can argue that. But the whole thing at the moment is that his stats are just so off the chart that he dwarfs everything in his universe. Then from there, his inability to be serious is a consequence of those high stats. If you're trying to translate the logic of the character being dropped into another world, the meta does not go along with the character unless the character's power is literally that of the meta.
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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:37:01 PM
#69:


Disengaged posted...
The moral of the story is, unlike other heroes, you actually do not want to be, the one punch man. It sucks.

Exactly, if Goku could actually give him a challenge he would be thrilled and love it. It is what he is looking for.
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Disengaged
07/30/21 6:38:37 PM
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Nemu posted...
You're conflating the meta with his power. If his actual power is ever revealed to be "to have the quality of being stronger than the strongest being in the world by a wide margin," then you can argue that. But the whole thing at the moment is that his stats are just so off the chart that he dwarfs everything in his universe. Then from there, his inability to be serious is a consequence of those high stats. If you're trying to translate the logic of the character being dropped into another world, the meta does not go along with the character unless the character's power is literally that of the meta.

The meta IS the premise of the character, he is the one punch man, that's the entire gag the comic is based off of. How bad it would actually suck, to be the one punch man.

His power level is literally powerful enough to beat whatever is in front of him, (literally, enter any character or anything in this space), with one punch.

The end.

WingsOfGood posted...
Exactly, if Goku could actually give him a challenge he would be thrilled and love it. It is what he is looking for.

Right, which would be a win for Saitama, but Saitama can never win, he is a perpetual loser, which means Goku would not even come close to challenging him. Saitama can never be allowed to feel thrilled. Winning, is losing.

It's a joke people. The entire thing is a joke. A gag. Not a particularly sophisticated or hard to get one either.

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Ratchetrockon
07/30/21 6:40:54 PM
#71:


WingsOfGood posted...
Even this is not really much. Fyi the Phoenix Force in X-Men destroys planets as it criss-crosses the galaxy.
Yeah it is underwhelming (the dragonball feat) i was reading Cradle a few months back and there is a feat of their celestial beings destroying galaxies (in plural) just as a result of collateral damage. I wanna see that shit in dragonball too

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:42:24 PM
#72:


Ratchetrockon posted...
Yeah it is underwhelming (the dragonball feat) i was reading Cradle a few months back and there is a feat of their celestial beings destroying galaxies (in plural) just as a result of collateral damage. I wanna see that shit in dragonball too

Ok so, collateral damage is nothing in comics and these type of anime. Unless on that planet there is a godlike being who dies due to this, it is meaningless.
Terrain is like a 1hp thing where you do a weak aoe move and it dies.

That is to say, someone punching a hole in Galactus torso is worth more than destroying a no name pointless galaxy.
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Nemu
07/30/21 6:44:19 PM
#73:


Disengaged posted...
The meta IS the premise of the character, he is the one punch man, that's the entire gag the comic is based off of. How bad it would actually suck, to be the one punch man.

His power level is literally powerful enough to beat whatever is in front of him, (literally, enter any character or anything in this space), with one punch.

The end.
No, he's someone so strong that he is unable to find challenge in his world, which is the trigger for the gag. You're weirdly conflating the two, which is especially weird because OPM is not a traditional completely nonsensical gag series.
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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:46:18 PM
#74:


WingsOfGood posted...
Ok so, collateral damage is nothing in comics and these type of anime. Unless on that planet there is a godlike being who dies due to this, it is meaningless.
Terrain is like a 1hp thing where you do a weak aoe move and it dies.

That is to say, someone punching a hole in Galactus torso is worth more than destroying a no name pointless galaxy.

This is actually what makes Zenos actually worth being what he is in DB:S.

He doesn't just erase no name pointless universes but he erases them while they are occupied by people like Goku. Zenos could erase Goku.

He is so far above Goku.
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Lathissamus
07/30/21 6:47:15 PM
#75:


the man shot a pebble through 10,000 times the sun gravity force and killed goryuganshoop, so yeah, he'd annihilate goku

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Tyranthraxus
07/30/21 6:47:23 PM
#76:


WingsOfGood posted...
Ok so, collateral damage is nothing in comics and these type of anime. Unless on that planet there is a godlike being who dies due to this, it is meaningless.
Terrain is like a 1hp thing where you do a weak aoe move and it dies.

That is to say, someone punching a hole in Galactus torso is worth more than destroying a no name pointless galaxy.

Yeah. The collateral damage doesn't really even make sense. Goku has been put into craters so big that if he actually hit the ground with that kind of force it would be like a continent-destroying supervolcano. But that never happens. There's just a big hole and everything around it is still okay for the most part.

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DepreceV2
07/30/21 6:47:31 PM
#77:


WingsOfGood posted...
This is actually what makes Zenos actually worth being what he is in DB:S.

He doesn't just erase no name pointless universes but he erases them while they are occupied by people like Goku. Zenos could erase Goku.

He is so far above Goku.

Yea. Who doesn't think that? Zenos is the top tier of the verse as we currently know it.


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Ratchetrockon
07/30/21 6:48:26 PM
#78:


WingsOfGood posted...
Ok so, collateral damage is nothing in comics and these type of anime. Unless on that planet there is a godlike being who dies due to this, it is meaningless.
Terrain is like a 1hp thing where you do a weak aoe move and it dies.

That is to say, someone punching a hole in Galactus torso is worth more than destroying a no name pointless galaxy.
Oh thanks for the info. Its so underwhelming tho imo

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:48:45 PM
#79:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Yeah. The collateral damage doesn't really even make sense. Goku has been put into craters so big that if he actually hit the ground with that kind of force it would be like a continent-destroying supervolcano. But that never happens. There's just a big hole and everything around it is still okay for the most part.

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Disengaged
07/30/21 6:49:02 PM
#80:


Nemu posted...
No, he's someone so strong that he is unable to find challenge in his world, which is the trigger for the gag. You're weirdly conflating the two, which is especially weird because OPM is not a traditional completely nonsensical gag series.

Saitama, one punch man, is a traditional completely nonsensical gag character, planted in a way too serious to actually be serious parody of what you think it is lol.

It is absolutely a joke. A parody.

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:52:30 PM
#81:


In addition,
Goku feats of victory are a poor showing.

Many foes are not even defeated with his own strength but borrowed via the spirit bomb.

Others are like this where he uses something like the sun to help him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vdrCwDChwI

Meanwhile Saitama literally punches a dudes head into literal mush, brains and all turning into good and they die.
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Ratchetrockon
07/30/21 6:53:04 PM
#82:


Oh yeah i did take a look at the OPM (murata) chapter 100 redo (called 100.5). Originally only read the non-redo version when it released. It does seem like saitama can do gag shit sometimes. Pretty neat. Changed my mind a bit on this debate. Im bit more unsure who wins (was leaning more towards goku now its like 50/50 for me).

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Nemu
07/30/21 6:54:15 PM
#83:


Disengaged posted...
Saitama, one punch man, is a traditional completely nonsensical gag character, planted in a way too serious to actually be serious parody of what you think it is lol.

It is absolutely a joke. A parody.
No, the author has set up a universe in which the character makes sense. The character defies the logic of the characters in the universe, but not the logic of the universe itself (yet at least). The gag is that he exceeds everything around him to such a great extent with little relative effort, but the strength itself is not a gag other than how he achieved it. Traditional gag characters simply ignore things like physics and continuity, which is why you cannot translate them into other worlds without having to turn off the logic of the other universe. Saitama is simply unquantified, which is why any discussion of relative strength is useless.
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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 6:55:48 PM
#84:


Infact Goku latest "Feat"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkVJW4VX-PY

Jiren is still alive

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Slayer_22
07/30/21 6:55:55 PM
#85:


Did no one watch the Arale episode of Super? Even Vegeta, who understood the idea of a gag manga, couldn't beat Arale.

Saitama's gag is that he can't lose. Goku would get beat and immediately recognize that he stands no chance, then give up and try to train with Saitama instead lol
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Tyranthraxus
07/30/21 7:00:30 PM
#86:


WingsOfGood posted...
Infact Goku latest "Feat"
That's not his latest feat and they're not allowed to kill people in that scene or else Zeno smacks you like a bitch

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DepreceV2
07/30/21 7:02:07 PM
#87:


Tyranthraxus posted...
That's not his latest feat and they're not allowed to kill people in that scene or else Zeno smacks you like a bitch

This

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 7:02:43 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
That's not his latest feat and they're not allowed to kill people in that scene or else Zeno smacks you like a bitch

So when was last time Goku punches turned a man into mush?
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SpiritSephiroth
07/30/21 7:04:35 PM
#89:


Using the "gag character" excuse is such a lame way to explain how powerful you are.

When pitting two franchises together, unless its for actual comedy, if you want an actual fight, trying looking at their FEATS compared to the other characters. Not just "Oh he wins because in his universe thats what he does".


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Disengaged
07/30/21 7:04:50 PM
#90:


Nemu posted...
No, the author has set up a universe in which the character makes sense. The character defies the logic of the characters in the universe, but not the logic of the universe itself (yet at least). The gag is that he exceeds everything around him to such a great extent with little relative effort, but the strength itself is not a gag other than how he achieved it. Traditional gag characters simply ignore things like physics and continuity, which is why you cannot translate them into other worlds without having to turn off the logic of the other universe. Saitama is simply unquantified, which is why any discussion of relative strength is useless.

He literally accidentally busted into a mental space time dimension dude.

The entire premise of the comic is a gag man. It's a parody of the recent era of pop culture power creep manga like Naruto, dbz, and bleach.

He's the one punch man. He is the end of ridiculous power creep.

It's a joke. It's ALL a joke. Super powerful sperm, homeless god emperor. Fucking bike guy. Come on dude, just get it lol.

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 7:06:09 PM
#91:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
When pitting two franchises together, unless its for actual comedy, if you want an actual fight, trying looking at their FEATS compared to the other characters. Not just "Oh he wins because in his universe thats what he does".

The moon and the planet in DBZ are much weaker than those in our universe which I believe is the density and strength one punch man tries to make them have.

People yelling "Feats!" are guilty of the same crime. You don't quite understand what you are even comparing.
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Tyranthraxus
07/30/21 7:06:21 PM
#92:


Disengaged posted...
It's a joke. It's ALL a joke. Super powerful sperm, homeless god emperor. Fucking bike guy. Come on dude, just get it lol.
Don't you go talking shit about Mumen Rider, the most realistic superhero in all comics.

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 7:07:01 PM
#93:


Disengaged posted...
f***ing bike guy

DO NOT LAUGH AT BIKE GUY
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DepreceV2
07/30/21 7:07:29 PM
#94:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Don't you go talking shit about Mumen Rider, the most realistic superhero in all comics.

WingsOfGood posted...
DO NOT LAUGH AT BIKE GUY

These! The unsung hero of the show!

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SpiritSephiroth
07/30/21 7:08:19 PM
#95:


WingsOfGood posted...
The moon and the planet in DBZ are much weaker than those in our universe which I believe is the density and strength one punch man tries to make them have.

People yelling "Feats!" are guilty of the same crime. You don't quit understand what you are even comparing.

The universe and some planets in general in DBZ are shown to be much bigger. Where did you even get that info from?

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Nemu
07/30/21 7:09:10 PM
#96:


Disengaged posted...
He literally accidentally busted into a mental space time dimension dude.

The entire premise of the comic is a gag man. It's a parody of the recent era of pop culture power creep manga like Naruto, dbz, and bleach.

He's the one punch man. He is the end of power creep.

It's a joke. It's ALL a joke. Super powerful sperm, homeless god emperor. Fucking bike guy. Come on dude, just get it lol.
And? That's still within the logic of the universe. He's just a level 99999999 character in a world where the highest leveled person is like 100000. He's broken through a cap, but not through logic itself (yet at least). It's a comedy gag series, but you're ignoring that the author abides by set rules and logic. The joke is one of broken expectations, not broken logic.
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Smackems
07/30/21 7:10:09 PM
#97:


Is the OPM anime over? He really never got a challenge?

I've only seen a few episodes but I thought it was neat

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WingsOfGood
07/30/21 7:11:10 PM
#98:


SpiritSephiroth posted...
The universe and some planets in general in DBZ are shown to be much bigger. Where did you even get that info from?

Just comparing in universe stuff.
For instance, the Kamehameha that Roshi uses to blow up the moon quickly is much too weak to hurt Goku. Yet as mentioned he then is bruised by a regular gun and a laser gun.

Also stuff like craters being so easy to make without actual impact tremors like other user mentioned.
The terrain in DBZ is like made of cotton candy or foam.
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Nemu
07/30/21 7:11:31 PM
#99:


Smackems posted...
Is the OPM anime over? He really never got a challenge?

I've only seen a few episodes but I thought it was neat
It's web comic adapted into a manga adapted into an anime. The web comic and manga are still ongoing. The anime's disappointing second season reached a break point and the manga has yet to reach a good point for further adaptation.
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Tyranthraxus
07/30/21 7:11:53 PM
#100:


Smackems posted...
Is the OPM anime over? He really never got a challenge?

I've only seen a few episodes but I thought it was neat

They haven't made new episodes in a while but it's not over yet. Unless it gets officially cancelled I would expect a new season eventually.

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